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MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:01 PMI don't know if this has been discussed before (if it has, my apologies) but does anyone think that the ship we see is only a small part of a larger vehicle?
For practicality sake, the ship as depicted is just too small for interstellar travel. In terms of consumables (i.e., o2, water and fuel) it would make more sense if it was just the command/landing module of a large drive section which remains in orbit (as the refinery did in Alien). In rocketry, a term called "specific impulse" is used. It describes the ratio of fuel flow to total thrust. Ideally you want an engine that will give you an immense amount of thrust with little fuel consumed. Even if the ship possessed that ability, the distance to another star is simply too great for a small ship. I would envision a very, large drive and fuel section to comprise the greater part of the ship. I realize this is just science fiction but Kubrick got it right with Discovery. Any other thoughts?
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Fury 161
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:08 PMwas THE MAGELLAN only ever referred to in those 'fake' scripts?

Sky
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:12 PMIf i am not wrong prometheus is the ship that takes crew on that planet. There are few other ground vehicles, i am not sure about their names.
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PUNX
Art DirectorMemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:23 PM@Sky I 2nd... talk about fuel consumption is a no-brainer as (am I wrong here) we don't know what Prometheus runs on and what FTL consumes... be it solid fuel, yoghurt or good vibes. ;)
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alterlater
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:19 PMguy you are absolutally right. Prometheus is a landing ship..

Fury 161
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:21 PMI remember reading the prometheus is the main ship and the magellan the landing crafts, but from what we have seen it's all one ship.....HOWEVER we have seen those smaller flying craft since the first tv spots.
seen 20 secs into this trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBXXQYZc6sA&feature=fvwrel
2nd EDIT: seems that may just be the lifeboat with landing gear extended

NoXWord
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:23 PMI think the authors don't even know the existence of the concept specific impulse. The basic assumption is that FTL is achieved through something really compact, that doesn't require enormous tanks of fuel (good vibes seem the most likely).
From the Weyland timeline we see that they develop a ship capable of FTL travel, called Heliades. Somewhere else on that site (iirc) we read that the Prometheus is a Heliades class ship, so I suppose that what we see is the whole of the ship. The consumables for life support should be limited because it is assumed that the crew spends almost all the time in hypersleep. In Alien (the Nostromo is not very different in size from the Prometheus) the fact that the resources are limited is mentioned.
ALso, the Nostromo has no fuel tanks either (and I don't think that they are included in the refinery).
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

David 1
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:25 PMmy guess... it's EVENT HORIZON!!!!!!!
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aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:26 PMMagellan was not a name from a fake script. I was a name seen on the bulkhead of a door in the first released pictures from Pinewood. As far as I know, there has been no other mention of it since from Fox or Ridley.
It very well could have been the first name of the ship, that was changed later in production. Things like that happen all the time.
But, I do agree. It would make more sense if the Prometheus was separate from the long-range vessel.

PUNX
Art DirectorMemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:29 PMAlso on the Nostromo Brett and Lambert smoke like chimneys (other than being a wonderful cinematic visual device), So if they smoke (not in a 21st century public place) then we can assume they have unbelievably efficient air-scrubbers!
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"thereyouareJonesy"
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:44 PMthis specific impulse rule seems to relate to conventional rockets, i did a bit of reading and i cant see a proposal for this in relation to Matter / Anti-matter reaction as a fuel so that could be the work round for that argument,on top of all that its pointless to apply known restrictions to what is essentially a fictional technology.
as for the consumables on the ship if your crew are in hibernation for the majority of the flight then that would drop the volume dramatically. If David is the only active crew during the voyage he wont need anything compared to a human.

Rhinos
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:53 PMI'll be fine with whatever explanation they use.
I have no interest in attending the film to listen to a thesis or dissertation on FTL travel, aerospace engineering, etc.
As long as the storyline and imagery is entertaining, I'll be happy.

"thereyouareJonesy"
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 1:56 PMAmen to that, a good film it will likely be but still just a film !. The genre isn't called Science - Fact is it.

CBT1979
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 2:18 PMThe prometheus is actually a
very large space vessel, maybe
Around the size of an
aircraft carrier from nowadays
and similar in size like the
Sulaco. The nostromo was a
Towing vessel carrying many tons
of minerals.
as the crew does hypersleep and
in space u dont need propulsion
All the time but only used for
Accelerating or changing course.

Gromster
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 3:18 PMQuote From Rhinos:
"I'll be fine with whatever explanation they use.
I have no interest in attending the film to listen to a thesis or dissertation on FTL travel, aerospace engineering, etc.
As long as the storyline and imagery is entertaining, I'll be happy"
+1.
It's a film. End of. But I hope it is one hell of a trip!

HAL 9000
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 3:31 PMYep, I can only second that. We can see in many stills and trailers that the Prometheus is a rather large ship, at least similar in size to the Nostromo and Sulaco, if not even slightly bigger (with different proportions of course). My take is that the Magellan might well be the Life-Pod escape vessel docked to the back of the Prometheus, which in respect isn't too small either (it has its own mess deck). Then there are numerous other vehicles for surface exploration, etc..
As for FTL travel, if I'm not mistaken all you need to do is accelerate the ship to its speed once the flight path/course is set, and since there's no air resistance in a vacuum it will pretty much stay that way. More 'fuel' will then be needed to slow the ship down and/or change the flight path as CBT1979 correctly stated above. Ridley comes from an engineering/industrial design background and always tried to stay as close to reality as possible (one of the factors that made ALIEN so impressive and believable IMO).
But we'll all know for sure after the first screening... bring it on! And yes, it's still a sci-fi movie, let's remind ourselves about that from time to time...

Merc7
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 4:15 PMThe ion propulsion technology actually exists, you can read about it on Wikipedia.

Grindolf
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 4:47 PM
Prometheus IS the ship, you dont need too much food or water when your crew are freeze dried, for the most part and the android doesnt require much more than dry humping Shaw's cryo tube every thursday
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