The Derelict NEVER had a cargo of eggs..

"I think whatever is in the urns evolves to different things depending on what type of life form it is. Thus creating different evolutions of species. " Would it involve lighting differences, air pressure, the technology used by it's discoverers, smells etc? I remembered the facehugger reacting to light in Alien.

Yes, I agree. The ampules are simply vessels that organic matte and "codes" that transform base elements it comes into contact with with NEW species. Im not disagreeing with that at all. But the chain of events that set in motion the creation of you know what is question. The simple summary is that there is NO Xeno yet, and NO eggs. But if what someone posted above is accurately quoting RS as saying there are EGGS already under the temple??? huhhh??? then is this then something as lame as the Xeno is a doomsday device??... Geez.

Perhaps this is what we will get, after all ridley scott said that we (the fan community) were annoying, so I'm prepared for anything. And to my xenophobic freind Canadaphil : the name' Heustess, or mr Brent to you if you prefer.

Neither, but thanks. Giger's print btw is called "Hieroglyphics". ((Going to try to find a nice clean image of it to link to)) I found some via Google that seem to match the print I was referring to, but the one I saw here seemed to be a little different with a brighter background? Maybe, Im mistaken. In any event, not sure if this is art that was done by Giger way back when or whether it was done AFTER Alien was released? Its just plain freaky in any event, but It seems to me that it is obviously where the shape of the Derelict is from and what it was supposed to symbolize... To Giger anyway.

so, is Giger directly involved with this film? I'm not sure. His influence is here more than any other film since Alien but I didn't see anything yet that reveals his direct involvement.

Guys, I think the derelict or some other derelict in a perhaps sequel to Prometheus flys away and crash lands on one of the small moon(s) surrounding the planet we see in Prometheus and that is actually LV-426 and on that moon the Nostromo crew land and find the derelict with the eggs in the belly. The Derelict that crashes near the temple in the (Prometheus trailer) ends up buried amongst lava, earthquake, explosion etc and is never found again. But the only thing thats stops my theory is in Aliens (If we follow that plot line) why would Weyland/Yutani want to terraform the small moon(s) and not the Prometheus planet if thay had a choice and if they did terraform it they would have found the temple ruins or remanents of it anyway. I'm just saying like alot of people have said the planet in the Prometheus trailer just doesn't look like the same one in the original Alien the atmosphere, rock structures etc. But one of those small moons could be LV-426 but I digress.

I have NO idea, but obviously they STUCK artistically with virtually everything Giger thought up. I mean, I had always thought the SJ chamber was nothing more than a bridge and that he was in a seat that used a giant telescope device as means of star charting. I had always laughed it off when I had seen others actually discussing it as well.. some sort of "Penis" gun insemnating life into the stars, but I think that really is what Giger is alluding to with this stuff. It could be nothing more than the art directors simply just using it all, but just for that....cosmetics?? But I really dont know now. Just look closely at the shot of the Derelict on this site. You can see it for a few moments when you back out of pages or change tabs if you know what I mean. The "crotch" seam is still there on the Derelict. PS: I imagine Giger must have been a really creepy, emotionally disturbed kid who sat at his desk and drew wangs and giney parts all day long.

"I have NO idea, but obviously they STUCK artistically with virtually everything Giger thought up." Well yes, true. The lighting and colour tones are Giger, even the ship to some extent, making it very either transparent, dark, white, blue and translucid. Ridley seems here not to be willing to evolve the style of the film...

This is making my head spin now. And I now have an entirely different take on this altogether. Hahahaha... Time to go beore I start to ramble again.

It the xeno doesn't exist yet, what explains the relief of a figure very similar to the xeno in the trailer. Is that the SJ version of concept art or a blueprint? I personally think the xeno exists well before the events of the films. They may even be a race that the SJs exalt, hence the carving or mural we see in the trailer.

@CanadaPhil I did think that Squidy was simular to Face Hugger but i am not sure, because looking at that Scene their does seem to apear to be a umbilical cord attaching it to Shaw. In another Scene Shaw has what looks like Stapples on her Tummy. Thus i think they knew she was carrying a Organism and they extracted it from her. There is one Scene where a Slug Like Creature climps up in to a tear in one of the crews Space Suits, could this then had climped up the suit and onto the Face of one of the Crew. We just dont know for sure... Again the Ship that Crashes in this Movie may not even be the same as in Alien? Its confirmed to take place 37 years Prior to Alien, which adds questions to the time span of if its the same, and Eggs was layed by some Queen and thus not the Plan of the Pilot then why do the Eggs in Alien seem to be under some kind of protective Mist that puts them in Stasis? The Queen Idea would mean laying Eggs open to Elements could they last 37 years?

ok ok...now that I read some other posts, I am thinking that the eggs on the derelict craft were put there by design, not as a result of a chestburster that comes from the spacejockey. The reason I say that is the blue mist that is covering the eggs in Alien. That was some sort of space aged 'saran wrap' that protected the 'cargo'. We haven't seen the blue mist or mentioned in any of the films since Alien. Perhaps the space jockey was infected before he took off. The resulting xeno may have burned it's way out of the control room. But I return to the blue mist...what xeno would have the technology to use blue mist after laying the eggs. It just seems more apparent to me that the eggs in the craft and the ampules in the temple are two different. Perhaps the ampules are arranged in the manner they are due to how the queen or whatever lays her eggs in nature. Regardless, the eggs were being transported for a purpose in my mind. If you look at how the eggs are in perfect rows in the ship's hold in Alien and compare that to the woodcuts that demonstrate how slaves would be positioned while being transported in sailing ships back in the 1700 and 1800's, you'll come to the conclusion that the layout of the eggs isn't a random thing that you would expect from the alien - it's more systematic of how to maximize the many eggs you can effectively store in the hold. That's my take - and some of Ridley's comments about Alien seem to support this. Thoughts???

I can't remember--do we ever see eggs knocked over in the egg chamber in Alien? I'm just thinking about how the eggs would remain upright if they were onboard the derelict when it crashed. Unless they are rooted into the floor, having grown out of it like stalagmites. They could also be anchored by a strong biological glue under the egg--hey, we've got Gorilla Glue, they've got Facehugger Fixodent.

I would assume the Eggs are either able to secret a supstance that can keep them up right or they have some other way to attach themselves to a surface. Just how a Snail can Stick to a Wall?

[img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_kr2hd2dDEb1qznvymo1_1280.jpg[/img] I think this is the image you mean CanadaPhil Indeed it could symbolise the Derelict Ship. If so It shows Ship Drop Egg, Space Jockey, hold down another Space Jockey while Face Hugger from Egg attaches to it. Then Shows that Implanted Space Jockey then getting a Chest Buster. Intresting to know the Alien Eggs, Face Hugger and Chest Buster all look very simular to this Giger Art Work. Whats more is that the Space Jockeys in this Art Work look a lot like the ones in Prometheus. As opposed to what we saw in Alien. By that the Giger Work it apears the Space Jockey is some kind of Space Suit. When Alien was made, people never knew what it was, could it had been some kind of Elephant Looking Creature and hence some Comics and Fan made Art that came out depicted the Jockey as such as opposed to a Space Suit with Helmet.

Well... We are back to the concept of "canon" and artistic freedom. As we discussed in another (old) thread, I think it´s impossible that the egg are cargo in the Derelict. Two reasons: _ the calculated dimensions of the Derelict don´t allow space for the huge chamber were the eggs stands; - the whole scene was an adaptation of the script after Fox suits denied Scott the funds to go ahead with the original idea: the Nostromo crew were to find the Derelict and also a temple where the eggs where laid. So Scott "fused" the two scenes in one. Besides: I think it is possible that the derelict crashed unto a temple, or a chamber near the temple. As I said in another thread, in one of the recent traillers there is a glimpse of the derelict start flighting above the temples. I think the "Prometheus" lands before the circular area, then the Derelict get´s out of the hangar and start its flight above the temples, then Prometheus go after it and crashes with the Derelict. What I didn´t understand is how the Derelict seems to fall near the place where Vickers and Shaw are. In that scene Shaw must be near the circular area _ we see her jumping between the hangar "petals" when they open apart. And we believe Vickers is in the scape pod, that seems to fly to a different place. So I think it is possible that the Derelict is very damaged after the collision but not totally incapable of flight, and try to return to the hangar...then it falls over Vickers and Shaw. What do you think?

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@BigDave Yes, thats it. Im not sure what the ORIGINAL date of the creation of that thing is, but I believe Giger has been making releases of prints of that over the years.. I think I saw it in said $3,750 each limited to a run of ???. I know his art was the inspiration of the look and feel of Alien... both in the creature itself AND the organic look of the craft. Now the issues about the underlying sexual symbolism of Giger's stuff... right down to the phalic nature of the aliens head, the violent mouth impregnation thing, the thing that the SJ is controlling is in essense a giant "you know what" for seeding life into new worlds, but does this mean that this idea is actually going to be part of Prometheus?? Cant be... I dont even think Ridley Scott is that brave. I think it just has to be that RS/his art departments and production team just stuck with the same overall look... all while probably snickering at the audiences who have been mostly clueless to all the overt symbolism?? I dont know. But I do realize know that the Derelict is in fact actually symbolic of open female legs. People for years have snickerd that the slit type openings right in middle of the craft are female genitalia. That rendering, plus others I have seen do show that really is what the Derelict is based on. And wow... geeez, now that I take another look at it is REALLY making me scratch my head. .. In Prometheus it appears from the trailers and current info that Shaw is giving "birth" to something squid-like via a C-section... And is that not EXACTLY what that rendering depicts if you look at it?? A wormlike thing coming from an abdominal slit, and this thing is in turn tranferred to an EGG! where that then matures into a Face Hugger which is then placed onto a Space Jockey so that it can impregnate it??? Geez... this is too weird. No idea what this mean. This idea would suggest that the Xeno is in fact in existance and that it would be the Xeno that in fact would be GOD from which other life springs from??? Oh this is nuts.

One thing I want to point out is that Ridley has always envisioned the Xenomorph as a weapon, and the ship as a bomber that would fly over planets and deposit the eggs. I believe he says this on the ALIEN DVD commentary. Now he may have changed his mind, but considering that this is how he once envisioned it I think it likely that we will see something like this.

Is the urns are transformed eggs, then why didn't Kane, Dallas and Lambert come across the giant face then? Eh?? The eggs in Alien are far below one of the SJ platforms in a gigantic corridor on the Derelict. The urns are right in front of the giant face in a completely different size/shape room in Prometheus. Did you even watch Alien?

Did I even watch Alien? How dense are you? There is NO temple or GIANT FACE to be found because LV426 is a small desolate moon! The Prometheus is NOT on LV426!!

I agree with egr101, the eggs would have to had been damaged after the derelict crash. In my theory, I think the derelict landed on top of a ampule room with eggs. I mean it seems that the temple can be a honeycomb of tunnels, and has a vast range of temple space.

@Finster about the Prometheus crash, nice observation. but the nostromo crew looked for the signal, and so just seeked out the derelict. after the facehugger attack, they didn't take time to explore more of the planetoid, right edit: wow seems there was 2 pages i missed to read, sorry :s