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Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011I would just love that Bio, that's a fantastic idea, but at the same time I fear that as someone else mentioned, the events in the trailer have got to be part of that "Last 8 minutes" Ridley was referring to.
For what it's worth I really hope we see a lot more happening on LV-426 than just the film coming together at the end on itself there.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011I've heard that before and wondered the same thing...He must have been drunk.
I hear he likes scotch a lot !!!
Reimer
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011"I am toying with a two planet scenario"
Must be: the waterfall with the saucer over it looks Earthlike, and the party testing its flamethrowers appears to be setting out onto somewhere harsh but habitable (Iceland!) whilst the crash scenes look like an airless Moon.
I still don't get the significance of the shots of conventional centre-line-marked asphalt road though...unless this is movie people's code for "A journey takes place".
Andrew Ryan
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011Why does everyone assume that the crashed ship in the trailer will be the derelict from Alien? It could be a completely different ship and planet. Remember, it's not a prequel per se--it doesn't have to directly lead into Alien, it just involves elements from that universe.
BTW, does anyone have a screen shot from that flicker of static with the end credits during the trailer? I grabbed it but I don't know how to post it here. Anyone have any idea what it could possibly be?
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011I also read somewhere today as matter of fact, that The Engineer's may have sent out several ships that all look the same.
It could be possible, however unlikely it may seem.
Micro changes in air density
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011I believe the two planet theory is very likely. I'm also convinced the crew land on LV426 at some stage whether it's during the last 10 minutes or not I'm not quite sure. But the trailer shows two distinct planets one lush and well developed the other barren and dull. We could be into a scenario of good planet/bad planet. The jockeys could have developed the bad creatures on LV426 a small planetoid while keeping the large terra-formed planet for their greatest creation man.
Micro changes in air density
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011The shots of Shaw being blow away might be reminiscent of the weather encountered by the Nostromo crew.
Andrew Ryan
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011Good point Biomechanic. I know that the Alien SJ was the jumping off point for Prometheus but I wonder if Ridley wound up taking the story in a different direction. Also, I don't think the SJ ship in the trailer necessarily crashes--I personally think it smashes the human craft purposely and then lands on the planet--it appears undamaged after destroying the relatively human ship.
artyoh
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011I noticed that too. You can see fire streaming off of it just after the impact, but after impacting the ground and starting to roll, it looks completely intact. Smashing your hull directly into the ground would be a weird way of landing, that's for sure.
Frantz
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011if its the alien ship smashing the "prometheus" then the face of cpt janek is explained :p
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011[quote]Biomechanic ›
Posted 12/28/2011
That is weird. If you put "Ridley Scott promises "nasty" Alien prequel in 3D" in a google search it will be the first one.[/quote]
I just saw what you wrote BIO and thank you for doing that for me, however when I just tried it I got the same message, if it costs nothing or very little to subscribe I might do it but I did not check, do you know if it does or not?
TX for any info, wanna read it.
Starbeast
MemberOvomorph12/28/2011To go from the geology depicted in the trailer to the geology of the LV-426 we are familiar with in [i]Alien[/i] in a period of thirty years is a non-starter.
IMO, there are three possibilities:
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[*] They are different worlds with different spacecraft of the same class/model.
[*] It is indeed the same spacecraft but crashes twice on two different worlds.
[*] It is the same spacecraft, but as one plot-line suggested, by means of time-travel, it crashes aeons before [i]Alien[/i], thereby allowing geological processes to sculpt the landscape we are more accustomed to.
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Personally, I hate all three, but dismissing each and every one of them leaves only ineptitude on the part of Ridley, which is an impossibility.
I'm basking in the intrigue this uncertainty creates!
An afterthought is: what if the trailer itself is misleading (deliberately or otherwise)? Remember the [i]Predators[/i] trailer where we see the depiction of Adrien Brody's character being tagged by multiple Predator shoulder-cannon crosshairs - I missed that in the movie! Bad sport but it does happen.
danrald
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011I agree with you Starbeast...
There maybe more than one Space Jockey craft.. One maybe even called Prometheus. The way the derelict ship crumbles is odd.. it looks like the left "horn", falls to the right side.. then something else falls down next to the left "horn" if that makes sense..
Starbeast
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011danrald,
Not sure which part of the trailer you refer to but your thoughts remind me of my own puzzlement at a particular point in the trailer - perhaps one and the same as yours. Around about 58 seconds into the trailer we see a clip of the Rapace and Theron characters in the foreground running away, while behind them the "derelict" is falling down.
However, notice further back, and to the left, there seems to be another object coming to rest. I'm intrigued as to what and where that is from - I've persuaded myself it is not a part of the "derelict", but what could it be?...
danrald
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Starbeast, we are on the same page. You said "notice further back, and to the left, there seems to be another object coming to rest.", that further back piece is the right horn of the ship from the arial view. The series of events are sequential. The derelict gets hit, by something slightly. The explosion is away from the ship. It lands upright with smoke coming out of it. Shaw is on the side of the ship with the 3 rings ("vaginal entrances" Giger calls them). Then the right horn (the further back piece) from the arial view falls on the right side. Then the left horn falls next to it.. meaning it rotates. Or.. there is another ship.. Note, the ship in mid air is not the same as the ship in Alien. It's missing a piece. Which is another thread.. lol
artyoh
MemberOvomorph12/29/2011Yes, you can see a big gouge in the ground to the left of the derelict in the shot where it is resting "horns up."
It falls horns first and apparently rolls all the way around to a horns up position. Of course, nothing that big [i]should[/i] be capable of doing that and remaining intact, but it definitely appears to be the sequence of events.
artyoh
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012Nice, Biomechanic! That's a very large explosion, with a crap-ton of debris flying out.......makes sense to conclude that one ship rammed the other, and the non-SJ ship was obliterated in the impact...and we see chunks of the other ship landing all around Theron and Rapace.......looks like we'll see this ship continue to rotate around ~ 180 degrees, until the "horn" with the quasi-fin visible here, strikes first, followed by the other, nearly on top of the female leads, as they flee. It must then continue rolling across the ground until it reaches a horns-up position in the shot with Rapace staring at it.
Frantz
MemberOvomorph01/1/2012my take is a bit different ..after the impact the ship make a "controlled" fall with the horns-up ...then it fall down ( maybe because heavily damaged ) ...and reach the "derelict" standard position while the girls escape .
danrald
MemberOvomorph01/2/2012With this animation, and the thought of the ship rotating.. then hitting the ground with the horns first.. would tell us that there are 2 Space Jockey ships..
Herk Mondo
MemberOvomorph01/2/2012Gang, just a little daft observation, but zooming-in on the animated gig there you can see that the explosion (or collision?) happens to the far side of the far side of our favourite vessel, to the far side of the opposite 'prong'. My point being that this is the same side of the vessel that we (to date, going back to Alien) have NEVER seen anything of in any scene or image (a 'far side of the moon' situation if you will). In other words - our Mr Ridley can do anything he likes with that far side of the ship as none of us have ever seen the ship from that side. Even in the trailer when we see it sat upright we still aren't shown that same far side. So we can't tell if in that upright scene if it has been damaged yet, will be damaged at all or how bad any damage may be. Also making it hard for us to determine if it's upright parked position is gained after or even before the mid-air incident or the 'rolling(?)' incident.
Food for thought there gang.
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