EngineerAdmin23379 XP04/6/2011Let the community know what you think of Prometheus, what are your thoughts? What are your concerns? WHat are you looking forward to? What would you like to see in the film?
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OvomorphMember0 XPJun-19-2012 3:31 PMSo what I understood of the film was:
In the 1st scene, it’s the earth and an engineer left deliberately who sacrificed himself by taking that black stuff. That black stuff breaks
the DNA of the engineer dissolves into water so that a new species could be developed.
Purpose was to probably develop a range of new species- just like cross breeding that we humans do to develop different breeds of
dogs, cats, a good example would be liger (breeding of tiger and lion), engineers strive to do that on a much larger scale- platform was
the earth and its environment.
Now what happened was, species like crocodile, dinosaurs, etc etc got developed…that was OK…experiment going in the right
direction….,until evolution kicked in with species like homo sapiens which ultimately evolved into us..the humans.
Engineers didn’t intended to produce a cheap copy of themselves..getting intelligent day by day…doing stuff like going into space, visiting
moon, making weapons of mass destructions and so on… (Consider more technology developments till year 2090).
Probably they got insecure (?) and decided to end the experiment and prepare/use earth for a second round. They prepared
black stuff again which is a biological weapon to end human race and probably develop another species (the so called ‘aliens’) at a
much faster rate (so that’s what happened to Prometheus guys).
Regarding paintings- probably whenever they visited they left drawings of their planets as evident from planet X (which they’re using
to develop that bio weapon as they don’t want to risk their own home planet). The evidence I am talking about is drawings which we
see in the chamber which Prometheus guys enter with vessels and a huge sculpture of human head.
So one purpose of the paintings could be to deliberately invite humans to that experimental lab planet so that if engineers failed to execute the weapon, humans themselves will come to search answers and will find the black stuff and get infected- ultimately carrying it back on their own to earth.
Mr Weyland is dying and he want to achieve immortality. Only way is probably with Engineers who developed us…, so it’s totally
worth it…., to go to that planet and search for any solution.
Now experiment went wrong, bio weapon got unleashed and killed the engineers themselves, except one who was in the sleeping in
But as explained earlier, engineers want to end the experiment forgot immortality. So the moment David wakes the last engineer alive,
he simply killed everyone and headed towards earth to unleash the weapon. But ultimately failed by us and Prometheus.
That’s what I think of, but no doubt movie leaves other thoughts open. Would really appreciate if any of you point out any flaws in my
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-20-2012 1:25 PMFantastic again, Ridley Scott in his book Prometheus managed to revitalize, summarize some aspects of the human condition in "Alien, the 8th Passenger" and "Blade Runner, the Hunter Androids."
Aesthetically and technically the special effects, the film's music is undoubtedly extraordinary and follow the standard quality of current films, ie, clean as a means of transmitting ideas, once again, that for some it is possible to leave the theater with some visual satisfaction.
However, the merit of the film lies in the use of rituals and symbols deeply related to the anthropological structures of the human imagination, among them, rape, impregnation, viscosity, address, woman, cup, pot, egg, boat the intimate, possess, penetrate, confuse, the copulative, preservation, and other cave.
It appears, in the opening scenes of the film, "ENGINEERS" are portrayed as a ultramachos, his muscles defined, which reproduce without the need of women through the ingestion of substances dissolved in viscous glass containing water, so that after his body falling into some turbulent is dissolved and through cell division, fertilizing, violating the planet earth, emerging, so the Christian myth of Creationism, as well as Prometheus, and especially of women as responsible for receiving and perpetuation of species.
Thus, this scene introduces the physical context of an ethical and even drop a drop of psychopathology: in some apocryphal apocalypses fall is confused with "possession" by evil. The fall becomes, then, a symbol of the sin of fornication, envy, anger, idolatry and murder. And the film Prometheus, this moralizing takes place in a fund temporal infusion and ingestion of slime by ENGINEER, moments before his sacrifice.
The Forbidden Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil preached by the Christian tradition for centuries, in the film, is substituted by a glass containing water and a viscous liquid, so the First Engineer, thus assuming the role of Adam simultaneously and Prometheus.
The comparative method shows that the role of thief is played by the immortal humanity, once again, that for ENGINEERS immortality lies in the use of Bio-Technology.
However, in May the mystery of the film are the causes and motives which misled the First Engineer in exchange for immortality gained by the fall of Biotechnology and mortality of primordial man.
In many traditions, adds to this first result catamórfico another consequence of the antagonistic human aspirations and inducing cause (as in the Jewish context), a sexual interpretation of the fall. Coming thus to a feminization of original sin that comes to converge with the misogyny that constellation of dark water and the blood let on. The woman, who was defiled by menstrual blood, becomes responsible for original sin.
In this context, women in the film appear as protagonists and saviors of mankind, in the figure of Elizabeth wedded to his crucifix and then Ripley.
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OvomorphMember0 XPJun-20-2012 2:52 PMPrometheus is a wasted opportunity IMO.
So much effort in design, creatures etc - but what about the STORY?
Hints, metaphors... oh how i hate this pseudo-intellectual mind-raping game..
Its like "stopping sentences in the half.." and you have to think about it HOW the sentence "could end" (but not necessary MUST end, maybe you are wrong, SO WRONG, you never know).
Unsatisfying, frustrating, fooling the audience.
Disappointment of the DECADE!
I really was HOT for this movie for a very long time, but i think i have to stop here in the forum and simply CUT Prometheus out of my HEAD.
oh i can not stop...
The more often i see it the more i hate it and the more that movies is a synonym for BOREDOM to me.
Such a crap - cant put it in words.
So dumb, so idiotic. NO coherent story.
ahh no, i dont want to repeat again and again the reasons, dozend of scenes where i just ask myself "what the FU..."... cant believe that THIS IS IT...
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-21-2012 6:40 AMFinally saw it last night in 3D - brilliant! I loved it. I feel Ridley is getting unfairly lambasted over this movie. Really just a beautiful movie to watch. Sure there are a lot of unanswered questions but I don't care what anyone involved says - Ridley, Lindeloff, anyone.... this picture was made with the full intention of there being sequels. Probably would have benefitted from another pass thru by a different writer, and the birth scene at the end felt a little like it was only tacked on to appease fanboys. I found the engineers and their civilization to be much more interesting. Can't wait for the sequel.
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-22-2012 5:05 AMLess is more. The movie Prometheus was in total a very good movie.What made Alien and Alien 2 great was that you almost never new where the beasts where, how they really look like. You were always in some sort of distress mode. With Prometheus, well, not really. Example: The captain of the ship to me was too careless. If you fly years to a far far away planet and have people on the ground I wouldn't be able to sleep a minute and just ignore the 2 fellas on the ground.I'd be on total alert and listen to every detail they say no matter if they stumble useless stuff, even more, if crew members are in distress on the ground, the calm voice of the captain would have helped.And no, this part didn't raise the tension of the movie. The other thing I didn't like was the heads on heads encounter with the woken up Engineer. For Weyland a man with his own ego and perfection, this was rather a very imperfect moment. He wouldn't take risks to get killed by the Engineer in case he wouldn't have helped to extend his life.The weapons and manpower brought along where insufficient. Movie tension is nice, but unlogic moments don't produce that tension, to the contrary. My wish for any sequel of Prometheus: Scary as hell as the first Alien, bad video transmissions, undefinable objects, little light, corrupt members, interesting story about the engineers and the end with a new unsolved riddle involving earth maybe another planet the ancient paintings or even the encounter with the engineers back then, plus as humans like to talk about gods, the origin and creation of all holy books around the world from different religions bringing them to a common origin: The Engineers - Gods...
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-22-2012 10:52 AMI loved the movie on its own merits, but have to admit I was disappointed with the space jockey tieback. The original space jockey from Alien was probably the single biggest mystery in modern sci-fi, a bizarre non-sequitur that created a ton of questions beyond the plane of the basic horror/monster movie at the heart of Alien. The thing was a true artifact from an alien civilization, and presumably the first direct evidence that humans had of extraterrestrial intelligent life. Oh yeah, it also had a big ass hole in its chest. I guess I was bummed to find out that this freak show was really nothing more than a guy in a mask.
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-22-2012 2:20 PMThe only thing that got me with this film, other than the erratic & non-linear characters, was the seemingly random sequence of events (Black goo + human + human = Trilobite + Engineer = End) that resulted in the proto-Xeno, or Deacon, when the species was already clearly established & do***ented in murals. I for one would like to know whether this Deacon Alien is a new mutated form of the Xeno DNA code, or the initial stages that later evolve into what we know & love as the double-mouthed black death?
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-22-2012 3:07 PMThe deacon is an altogether different creature than the xeno. I think it's fairly safe to assume that the derelict on the original planet was populated well before the deacon appears in Prometheus, so it really isn't a proto-xeno at all.
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-23-2012 11:10 AMi was raised on the Alien films and i LOVE Prometheus.
one question i have is i wonder why Ridley did not connect Prometheus to Alien perfectly.
for it to connect perfectly, the Engineer would have crawled back to his ship impregnated with the alien, climbed back up into his chair, then 'gave birth' to the alien and it would have been the exact scene were they found him in Alien.
interesting why they did not do this. any thoughts?
OvomorphMember7 XPJun-23-2012 4:22 PMNot only is this movie part 1 of 2 of an Alien Prequel. It is a tribute to "2001: A Space Odyssey", Blade Runner, and Asimov's Foundation Trilogy.
In the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" an alien artifact is discovered buried on the moon which was deliberately buried by some previous visitor. When sunlight first falls on the artifact (monolith) a radio beacon is sent to Jupiter to awaken the star gate. Mankind follows.
In this movie, buried cave paintings are discovered which appear to be pointing to a star system Zeta II Reticuli (approximately 39 Light-Years from Earth) with either a planet or moon named LV-223. Since this matches other cave paintings, mankind follows. BTW, the planet they visit in "Aliens" is LV-426. Perhaps a neighboring star system (Zeta Reticuli is a double star system).
Quote from Peter Weyland's 2023 TED Talk: "We are now 3 months into the year of our lord 2023. At this moment now we can create cybernetic individuals, who in just a few short years will become completely indistinguishable from us."
Let's assume for a moment that Ridley Scott is merging the Blade Runner and Prometheus/Alien story lines. Blade Runner takes place in 2019 but we know that story ends with the murder of Eldon Tyrell (who may have been a replicant) by the replicant Roy Batty. Okay, so can we now assume that the Weyland corporation has acquired or merged with the Tyrell Corporation.
There are even some hints than Meridith Vickers is also a Replicant. (she may be no more a daughter than David is a son)
Several of the holographic projections (especially the one from Holloway's Cube) seem to be taken directly from Isaac Asimov's "Foundation Series" where Hari Seldon presses buttons on the top of a cube to display humanity's "future history" (Psycho-history: where statistics, history and sociology are combined in a computer model to predict humanity's future history)
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-25-2012 10:36 PMI loved it. Knowing the director, I was prepared for a visually flawless spectacle. But the story is god too. I don't know why so many people didn't like the story, I guess they are used to simplistic stories that don't require much thought.
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-26-2012 1:01 PMI'd like to see the Engineers homeworld. Like to know if Jesus' death was the catalyst for sparking them to come destroy us or was it because we had become nothing but war mongerers. Is Shaw the pilot of the derelict? I'm sure the next movie will give the answers. Cannot wait. I really enjoyed Prometheus, watched it twice and I def. missed alot the first go around. My theory is this .... the Engineers on LV-223 are a different race than the ones that populated Earth. They are different in appearance but have similar traits as the Sacrificial Engineer. Maybe they are the military arm of the Engineer race. I think there is another race that created the Engineers and we are nothing but guinea pigs for them and they were trying to find a way to destroy their parents (the God race) by creating the goo. We are nothing but a test bed for their experiments. They left that base on LV-223 for us to find because it would mean that we had advanced enough to travel in space and would possibly have the capability of finding their homeworld and destroying them (cause that is what we do). Also, I think the sequel will be called "Paradise" cause Shaw's father says for some it is called heaven for others it is called Paradise. If I repeated somebody else's post, sorry - i dont have time to skim through 100+ replies.
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-27-2012 9:22 AMLongtime lurker, first time poster. I appreciate most everyone's intelligence and thoughtfulness on this site.
First, I did enjoy the movie. Visually, it was stunning. Seeing the star room in 3-D was worth the price of admission alone. I went with a friend who isn't as well versed in the Alien universe as I am and he absolutely loved it (to the point of wanting to return the following week). Most likely, I'll catch it one more time in the theater.
Now onto my nitpicking...
I really, really disliked the music. I know some of you have enjoyed it, but I suspect it's due to listening outside of the context of the move. Personally, I kept thinking how out of sync it felt in certain scenes. I can't recall specifically which scenes, but it just did not jibe for me. Scott should have taken cues from the American version of The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo "soundtrack." It evoked fear and dread and general creepiness.
Why is there an axe on the ship? As a tool, it's hardly efficient for breaking down walls or a door (futuristic plasma cutters anyone?) and as a weapon it's even more useless. How about a Taser for defense? If you've ever split a log it's a tedious process.
Second, if Shaw is an archaeologist how does she have so much medical knowledge? During the dissection of the Space Jockey head she seems to know a ton about medical procedures (ditto during the "extraction" scene).
Third, I'll assume this is explained in a subsequent movie, but what the hell does Prometheus have to do with anything beyond the ship? I know the Engineer at the beginning of the movie seeded our planet and created humans, but what technology did we receive?
Last, I just don't get cryostasis or hypersleep for years and not having feeding and draining tubes. No matter how slowed down our bodies are, we need some form of nourishment. How do we receive and excrete? I suppose if David can read Shaw's dreams surely there must be some futuristic way to take a crap in deep sleep. Nitpicky? Sure.
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-28-2012 11:37 AMI saw the movie 5th time. I think all the flaw or hole were made because the script not ready or rushed into production. it's like 'let jump now hope for the best later.' Most of the glitch are make no sense or confusing, like the lost geolog, Shaw can sprint after surgery, no explanation about biolog status after snake entering his body, how the impact from prometheus don't even dent the alien ship, etc. Did anyone notice after Shaw get out from life pod, she's not even wear a glove?
They try to make things complicated but in the end they got confused themselves. Overall, I like the concept but disappointed with all the glitch.
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-29-2012 1:10 PMOk. In one sentence. Here goes:
[i]"Prometheus, as a film, inverts the tone of its originator (ALIEN) from hyper-realism to its own muted surrealism, and in the process adds to its own acclaim a top-heavy, socially appropriately intellectualism while diminishing the simplicity or naked symbolism of the first, further I might suggest that the image of the Titian Saturn devouring his children be a more apt mythological icon, than the one who gave us fire."[/i]
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-29-2012 2:48 PMMy first viewing of the movie was yesterday(regular screen) and afterwards I was I just sat thre not knowing what to thnk because there seemed to be so many unanswered questions. Unsatisfied,,but really i guess wanting more answers. Out in the parking lot my son and I talked for several minutes about the movie(he like it it much more)..and I guess that sort of creates a problem. It not so much that it is a bad ..uninteresting movie...but in fact it may be too good.. too interesting,,and well made that I am not used to that kind of movie experience!
So I'll let the movie experience sort of digest..and see what I feel in a few days..
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-29-2012 2:52 PMSeeing the movie in a theater showed the grand scale/scope of the story and minimized any story/charactor flaws....almost overwheming..
On a smaller screen I suspect the plot holes would be more clear.and charactor flaws more noticable..
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-29-2012 2:55 PMWill the next stop be the SJ's homeworld? I mean if this if the movie's planet is a Military outpost,,would there be several other stops/bases..before the homeland is reached?
OvomorphMember0 XPJun-29-2012 6:21 PMI truly liked the movie, is it a masterpiece.....? In time it will be, look at all the stir thus far just on this site... Is it epic....?, well the 3-D was awesome that’s for sure, blew Avatar 3-D out of the water. The story was good, in fact the more I watch it, the better it gets.... going a 4th time this weekend w/my grandsons.....
RS shows his vision if you know what to look for... The story of Prometheus is all over this movie, as well as a few Bible stories, or lets say a few religious undertones at least.... I read an interview where a critic asked RS about the engineers, as I understand it, the engineers are a pure race, free of sin, performs selfless acts for the better of their race, hence the first scene... did you think he drank that goo, sacrifice himself for the race that will be developed on that planet, or for his race.....? I’m still trying to figure that out, I don’t think that sacrifice was for the race building of that planet, I think it’s for their use. Stories of Greek Gods would sacrifice themselfs to better the race that worshiped them.... Point I’m trying to make is that the engineers are a pure race, creator of life, that one mural shows that, the mural of the deacon is the creator of death, which is pure and the engineers worshiped the xenomorph or deacon.... more later to be sure
I should reach the frontier in about 6 weeks. With a little luck, the network will pick me up. This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo....
OvomorphMember0 XPJul-03-2012 8:43 AMI would like to say, Hail to Ridley! Once again he gave us a masterpiece. This movie will be fully appreciated in the future, just the same thing that happened with his Blade Runner.
this is not just "an Aliens" movie, this is not just "another science fiction movie", this really is a very inspired piece of art. Scott at the most of his genious.
I love the ships, the music, the screeplay. The screeplay is really a masterpiece. Many references which make sense.
the movie really thought about the fans needs, the public need, the cinema lovers needs, the ufo and extraterrestrial fans needs in a very accurate approach.
I almost say that the Alien is the less important thing but an excuse to talk about human beings
David learning to Feel, almost in love with Elizabeth.
David jealous of Holloway. David, the chosen one (hebrew king) is poetic, musically talented and wise.
Many references. I have seen it 4 times. And im going for the fifth.
Thanks for reading, i know that im not talking about specific arguments that you so very well noted, but i wanted to share it with you.
OvomorphMember0 XPJul-03-2012 6:48 PMMy biggest confusion currently on mind with Prometheus is: what are the factors that lead the "ammo stock" to becoming the eggs like in the first movie? Or what hosts lead to the creature we are so very used to?
OvomorphMember0 XPJul-05-2012 10:41 AMYes,,this is a question on my mind as well.. In addition I hope there some explanation/look at the culture of the Engineers,, I mean they must have more to their lives.than a military lifestyle and fear.. What do the Engineers do for fun??
OvomorphMember0 XPJul-06-2012 7:18 AMIt has been two weeks since I have seen this movie..but by reading the boards..and discussing aspects of the storyline,,well the boards sort become a life of their own ... The possible storylines are developing other storylines,,far from the original movie,,,
For me.. I am now ready to see the movie again,,just to get my feet on the ground..and make comments based on the presentation..not on building on theories..based on theories..based on what was seen in the movie..
Still.. it is interesting to read the possible storylines in the Prometheus world..
OvomorphMember0 XPJul-06-2012 6:59 PMSorry. I had written a whole lot on here and when i went to submit it, i guess i took too long and it went to the log in screen. Rather than write it all over again, I will summarize.
First, everyone is only trying to link Prometheus with the Alien saga. What about AVP and the Predators? The Engineers created humans. Why? They apparently visited earth multiple times after the creation, as different civilization form different time periods drew them. At the same time, the Predators were visiting and teaching primitive people technology. The Predators already had the xenomorph eggs and were using it to infect the people so they would have something to hunt. Perhaps the Predators are super advanced and they either created the Engineers to do their molecular/bio-engineering (as we make androids; and as someone said they all look the same and are all male so they are probably clones) or they found a planet of yolked science nerds and commissioned them to create better prey for them to hunt. The ship in Alien had a payload of eggs. Maybe they were going to earth to replenish the supplies as the temple in Antarctica seemed to be the only one left and they destroyed it and the predators were reduced to hunting only humans. Since the ship found in Alien didn’t make it, maybe the Engineers on LV-223 had to send a ship armed with a payload of black goo to Earth to create new xenomorphs for the predators to hunt. But, somehow the engineers screwed up and got infected. The Predators are bad ass and would probably lay waste to the Engineers so maybe when the Engineer wakes up, he is frantic and kills everyone and tries to take off quickly because he needs to get to Earth with the payload quickly before the Predators get pissed and start some stuff. There was a lot more in depth stuff I would have brought up in my first attempt to write this but again, I didn’t want to write it all over again. I just feel people need to really consider the timelines and not forget about the Predator and AVP movies and only focus on trying to link Prometheus to the Alien saga.
I would love to hear others’ thoughts.
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