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IRaptus

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Posted Jun-27-2017 6:50 PM

After dk's Against my own advice: Say something positive about........... AVPR topic I re-watched AVP:R to see if I could find any more positives to the film...because to be honest I've only even watched it to the end twice without turning it off.

I might be just clutching at straws but what did catch me attention on this watch-through was Wolf's shiny blue solvent.

Now AVP:R was released prior to Prometheus and Covenant...and to be frank its AVP:R, so take this all with a grain of salt.

BUT, the Black Pathogen and the Blue Solvent both share strikingly similar properties, both being used to cleanse and erase life. 

We know from Prometheus and A:C that the Engineers objective is to seed NEW life in replace of (I guess) unworthy lifeforms. They use the destructive variant of the Pathogen to cleanse the unworthy and then use the mutagen or seeding variant to replace the life on the planet of interest.

Wolf on the other hand used the blue solvent to erase evidence of a Xenomorph contamination/outbreak on earth.

Perhaps he choose to do this to eliminate evidence of the xenomorph so that intelligent lifeforms like us don't get curious and go looking for this species... because they are Engineer's worthy creations and they don't want others meddling with it.

OR, to ensure there is no "contamination" left so that any silly individual might be stupid enough to stick their face near an egg and potential create a galactic xeno outbreak. 

Did the Engineers gave the Yautja the secret to their destructive variant of the goo to reverse-engineer as they saw fit, to eliminate the threat of xeno outbreaks. You would have to think they would very unlikely give the Yautja access to their creation variants of the Pathogen though.

So what do you guys reckon? Any possible links between the Black Pathogen and the Blue Solvent, or is it simply just coincidental Yautja tech. 

Or, tell me to shut up because.. well, it's AVP:R and it never happened, and sure as hell isn't canon. 

 

Ps. Wolf is indeed badass,  and is the only saving grace of that film. And the Xeno's looked ridiculous with big chunky teeth and smiley mouth. 

 #KeepTheRociFlying

14 Responses to Black Pathogen & the Blue Solvent

Tiwaz

Jun-27-2017 7:20 PM

Considering the AVP:R makers they probly didn't give it too much of a thought. 

I'd go with Yautja-Tech to erase biological "evidence".

Both break down bio-matter but that's bout it since the blue solvent does nothing else.

Well, just to let the thoughts fly. The amount Wolf used to dissolve a whole pred body seems a bit small. So the solvent  might "reproduce" itself til the "targeted" mass is gone.

Leads to the question how does it know when it's done? Does it only spread across connected tissue? Has it a timed kill switch to prevent it from spreading endlessly? These are questions crossing my mind when thinking bout it.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Facehuggers

Jun-27-2017 7:28 PM

Interesting comparison! In the comics, PROMETHEUS: Fire and Stone, the Engineers absolutely hate the Yautja species. So I doubt that Engineers would ever share technology with the Predators. 

I believe that the Yautja species would actually destroy the black pathogen if they ever came across it. They want calculated hunts, no accidents.

On a different note, I'd love to see how the blue solvent affects the black pathogen!

IRaptus

Jun-27-2017 7:30 PM

Tiwaz I think you are right and we are probably WAY over-thinking it because again....its AVP:R. They probably just chucked it in because it looked cool. The answer to your questions is that it's probably magic.

The question that crosses my mind when pondering your questions is: did Wolf stop and consider the salinity problems his solvent would have on the local farmers land. What happened if that shit got in the local drinking water?! irresponsible alien.

lol hahaha now we're just taking the piss.

 

 #KeepTheRociFlying

IRaptus

Jun-27-2017 7:34 PM

Facehuggers! if you can take AVP:R seriously enough it could be an interesting topic to explore. The Yautja are pretty advanced but seem like the type that reverse-engineer and knock-off other species tech to bastardise it into their own weaponry and arsenal.

I must get this PROMETHEUS: Fire and Stone comic!! I want to know more about the Deacon!!

 #KeepTheRociFlying

Facehuggers

Jun-27-2017 7:38 PM

@IRaptus

I agree, the Yautja are certainly more akin to pirates than scientists.

The PROMETHEUS: Fire and Stone comic is a very interesting read, but if you're seeking the fate of the Deacon, I'm afraid you'll be a bit disappointed. The animated series Chris and Jason Cardona developed is far more satisfying! 

Upvoted!

Check out these posts if you're interested in more :)

Unused Deacon concepts for Fire and Stone

Will the Deacon be in Alien: Covenant (Check the comments!)

 

Tiwaz

Jun-27-2017 7:48 PM

IRaptus, the questions were rather rethorical. ;) If I remember correctly Wolf did something to it before he used it. Calibration of sorts?

Facehuggers, actually that's a nice thought. BS is the preds countermeasure against the accelerant.

But again, let's not overthink it. Otherwise might end up in giger's naughty kitchen again. XD

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

IRaptus

Jun-27-2017 8:43 PM

Facehuggers! Thanks!

I believe that the Yautja species would actually destroy the black pathogen if they ever came across it. They want calculated hunts, no accidents.

That is a very interesting point about the Yautja worth highlighting!! Their hunts are very well organised with strict quarantine measures in the books. Although not mentioned (that I can recall) the BS would definitely be part of their containment protocols. Predaliens are offensive abomination's to them, hence why Wolf stopped at nothing to track it down and kill it.

Perhaps the Yautja have a BS bomb similar to the Engineer's Juggernaut bomber in case of a major outbreak?

 

Tiwaz he did do something with it now that you mention it. Pulled it from a dead Yautja too didn't he?

Hahah are you referring to the hemorrhoidpede...sorry hammerpede lol

 #KeepTheRociFlying

K-Theory

Jun-27-2017 9:57 PM

Nonsense. Why would you assume a whole society revolves around hunting? I don't care what the comics say. For a spacefaring society to be possible, they must be science oriented. In a time far from now, we might have companies that offer hunting trips to different planets. That doesn't mean the whole of humanity is stuck in the stone ages. 

Gavin

Jun-28-2017 1:00 AM

@ K-Theory,

The Predators society being hunting based could very well lead to them becoming a space faring race. The biggest technological advances on Earth have been developed for and used in the theater of war. And with the Predators also being a clan based society the likelihood of such clans coming to blows over hunting territory, honor and position within their society could very well escalate into war - wars have started over less. So a hunting society being a space faring race sounds entirely viable to me.

laperouse

Jun-28-2017 2:55 AM

I am not inclined to think about the connection between black goo and blue solvent. Pretty much sure that Ridley Scott and all around him didn't use AVP:R as reference for any aspects of mythology creation present in Prometheus.

All those... moments... will be lost, in time, like tears... in... rain.

Cerulean Blue

Jun-28-2017 6:21 AM

It could be Dawn dishwashing detergent, too?

HAHA!!  I could not help myself!!

 

Capt Torgo

Jun-28-2017 7:11 AM

I really hope the new Predator is good or even decent to heal the pain of AC. The black goo is just too much now that it's also flying nanites and sentient spore particles! Not sure if the Dawn soap could fight Satan's black hell-oil goo but it sure could look cool. If David got sprayed with blue goo what would happen?

Cerulean Blue

Jun-28-2017 7:25 AM

@ Capt Torgo - David needs to get sprayed with something, for sure!

BigDave

Jun-28-2017 8:44 AM

I still have to force myself to watch AVPR maybe i will today ;)

I would say its coincidence as FOX seems to have no plans to tie the Alien and Predator Franchises together as far as links to Alien Canon but this can change.. and i mean regarding Movies Alone.

I would say the Blue Solvent spreads like a Virus and breaks down the Genetic Material in the same way we saw the Sacrificial Goo, only  it does not then store and re-compile the infected Organisms DNA  It just simply destroys it.

But there is a flaw with Prometheus as far as the Urns the Writing on them is not Engineer, it does not match the writing in the LV-223 Temples, the Juggernauts or the City in Alien Covenant and yes it does look a bit like Predator writing ;)

But i dont think there is any connection though.

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