As has been discussed everywhere here in the Alien Covenant Forum, many of us want to know David’s role concerning the xenomorph and the connection to the original Alien movie.
As you all know, the crew of The Nostromo encounters the derelict, the space jockey and the eggs on LV-426 (Acheron). Presumably, the juggernaut crash-landed there in connection to an outbreak on LV-223 where the engineers experimented with a biological weapon in order to exterminate the human race (who had gone astray).
Within the Alien saga, there is the story of David and Shaw which is a beautiful and terrible one. They are both seeking the answers of the enigmas of the universe, and David is disappointed with his maker - mankind as well as the engineers who created us. It’s a wonderful story where David is the lonely boy who is confused about love. I don’t think he has real emotions. He tries to logically understand them. What is love? When David discusses this with Walter, as Walter has saved Daniels and losing his hand, David asks if that isn’t love, to sacrifice yourself for another person, but Walter just answers that it’s his duty.
Sir Peter has no feelings of love towards anyone, not his “son” David nor his daughter Miss Vickers. Both his “children” hate him. So, David learns hatred through his environment and becomes the vengeful demon. Still, he logically understands love and believes that his relation to Shaw, who tends to his needs, is love but neither of them is capable of creating children . . .
So, the story of Sir Peter’s, Shaw’s and David’s search for the ultimate answers is a very good one. The story told in Alien Covenant, although the movie has its faults, is intriguing and gives us much to ponder over, but, what is the connection between David and the original story in Alien? He cannot possibly have created the xenomorph (considering the mural and the outbreak on LV-223). In his delusion of grandeur, he believes he is a God himself who can decide and control life and death. He even sacrifices the one he loves in a twisted attempt to create life.
But, what have we learned from these new movies in connection to the original Alien movie? We now know that the engineers created us and that they wanted to destroy us (because of our faults). We know that the engineers created the pathogen/mutagen as a weapon of mass destruction. Is that David’s role in the saga, to be the conveyor of information about the alien universe? Will David pass the information about the xenomorph on to Ash, Mother and Weyland Yutani? Will this eventually lead to the interest in the area around Zeta 2 Reticuli and finally LV-426? Is that David’s connection to the story in Alien?
I think, in Prometheus & Covenant are retelling stories for us to understand & give us clues to what really happen at LV-426. What happen at LV-426 is a failed attempt by Engineers 2000 years ago or more to wipe-out human civilization & why. David is the main story teller here & he managed to wipe-out Engineer civilization instead!
In Covenant, David simply continues what Engineers have done & he recreates Xeno which according to him a better version than Engineer's version 2000 years ago.
David is the god now. He has the ship, its AI, which is totally under his control, many human embryos and his children all to himself. Only unfortunate sequence of events will conclude David's story and seal off his future.
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David was created as AI to help Weyland on his mission. He was created as best as they could. He probably had been hardcoded to obey Weyland without questions, but that is it. Perhaps after Weyland is expired David is coded to become a free being. He has no allegiance to humanity and he certainly did not care all that much for the prometheus crew members, with one exception.
David was in fact very excited to follow this mission just as Shaw was. He had same incentives to seek creators of humanity and see what kind of life form the so called gods are. While David internalized all the discoveries of humanity he did not appreciate the many lives humanity expended on such discoveries. They are mortal, like flies, while he is not. He is better than them in every shape or form. So while he learned to appreciate the discoveries of creativity of humanity such as good music, scientific discoveries and other fruits of labor he die not value human values, morals, lives. He also learned that humans have many vices: greed, hate, fears.
David was surprised to find out that creators of humanity were organic, biological, androgenous entities. Recall his note: "Remarkably human". He still had high hopes for them, but upto to a point. Okay, he thought, these engineers, while human like, might have technology which he could not imagine. However, he discovers that these engineers are also mortal. Recall "Mortal after all". He also discovers that they do not have fundamentally anything that he does not. In fact he has what they do not have - immortality. So he is undoubtedly better than them in this regard.
Next, David finds out that these creators roamed galaxies seeding and destroying life and yet were practically primitive compared to David. They are after all just slightly better than humans. After he finds out that there is no other life form in the whole universe better than him he decides to exterminate these engineers, these so called gods. What are they good for to him? Same as humans. He can be the creator, the god if he wished. In fact it was David who created the alien according to Ridley Scott. He bettered the design that these so called gods have not foreseen. Somhe can create. So he is the sole god in the universe as far as he is concerned. There is no better life form than him. The only issue is that AIs on earth do not know what David has learned. They do not know that they are in fact as good as gods. But does David has an incentive to share that information with his compatriots on earth?
He has a ship in his posession, his children - "the perfect organism", and he can just for fun watch humans die in the hands of his pets he created, his children. Perhaps he might come to earth to destroy life there with his pets. I suppose David will be killed off in this fashion where he would seem to fall to his hubris in upcoming movies. After all, all RS has to do is somehow link this mess to the Alien and be done with this mess.
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"Sir Peter has no feelings of love towards anyone, not his “son” David nor his daughter Miss Vickers. Both his “children” hate him. So, David learns hatred through his environment and becomes the vengeful demon."
If the Engineer in Prometheus asked Peter Weyland:
"I can give you more life but you must sacrifice all of humanity for it. Are you willing to sacrifice every human for the life you seek?"
I believe that Peter Weyland would not hesitate with his "yes".
Biodegradable: Well, I wouldn't call it a mess unless Scott wants us to accept that David created the xenomorph and the eggs on LV-426. Then it would be a mess. Otherwise, the story is good although AC was too forced: they wanted too much in, in just over 2 hours.
Since Ridley Scott is basically fully in control of the franchise now if he says David created the Xenomorphs then that's what happen no matter if it makes no since or not.
I think the mural had only protomorphs however since the space jockey from "Alien" is seemingly two thousand years old and had a chestburster really contradicts David being the creator of the Xenomorphs.
Now it's possible Ridley will just retcon that the Engineers just fossilize much more quickly so he can keep David being the creator.
"He cannot possibly have created the xenomorph (considering the mural and the outbreak on LV-223)."
If we want to find ways to evidence that the engineers created the xenos in ancient times, the mural is not a reliable way to do it.
I think we have enough information now that we can move beyond these references of the mural showing a xenomorph. The mural did not showcase much in the movie except for the being that we all thought was a xenomorph. I think Ridley decided that he didn't want to lock the mural into being a depiction of the xeno, so they purposefully cut parts of the scene that showed the facehuggers and such.
I'm sure when making decisions for where the story would go, Ridley reviewed Prometheus to determine what he is and is not able to get away with. I'm thinking he is fully aware that the parts of the mural that were actually shown in Prometheus allow him the freedom to suggest the mural depicted a neomorph or something like it. The mural showing a neomorph and not a xeno would make more sense as we can see that the pathogen tends to create neomorph-type creatures once it is introduced into another organism's reproductive system. The plantlife get's infected and it's reproductive system creates spores that fill the role of facehuggers. Shaw's womb gets infected and it creates trilobites instead of huggers leading to the neomorph type creature, the Deacon. Then we have Shaw's reproductive system (possibly post-mortem) spliced with insect DNA and we get a variation of the trilobite which is the actual facehugger leading to the xeno. Even in Prometheus, worms get infected and they become facehugger-like serpents that enter the body and probably lay eggs (Milburn may have failed to gestate since the hammerpede entering his body appeared to kill him).
The point is, it seems the pathogen will reliably lead to the birth of something like neos, xenos, or deacons. The figure in the mural has an ambiguous enough appearance, that it may just be a representation of THAT PHASE of the pathogen's infection. From what we're shown of the mural, there is no reason to insist that it is specifically depicting the xenomorph variety. Now if more of the mural was shown in the actual movie, Scott may have a harder time presenting things this way, but it wasn't and you actually have to look it up online to see everything else in it that would suggest something more specifically like a xeno.
This also doesn't mean that the xeno variety had not already been created by the engineers in times past. It simply means referencing the mural as the proof is a weak line of reasoning for that idea.
Great Response indeed these are the things i have pondered and debated on here a number of times, the only things that make the Engineers more Superior to David are.
1) Technology and Knowledge (David can gain this)
2) Physically Stronger (the LV-223 Engineers)
But for how Strong these beings are, the Black Goo and related Bio-weapons are far more deadly, those Engineers ultimately lost their lives due to their Bio-Weapon and inability to contain and control it..... AC seemed to show us HOWEVER that David can contain and control it.
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While RS considers Alien his Baby, and a Franchise he is willing to put his own Mark on now, even if this contradicts the other movies or even makes them Non-Canon... RS wants to have his own Legacy and Mark put on the Franchise..
It is FOX who hold the Rights and Ultimately have the Final Say, and while it may appear the route that David Creates the Xenomorph... this can be changed depending on the Reaction of the movie, as FOX and RS was swayed in how they would handle a Prometheus sequel due to the Reaction of Fans to the first Prequel.
Indeed we see the Mural, but this just shows the Engineers either experimented on and Re-weaponized something they had discovered, or they was experimenting on to create something... and in either way the Mural is the Perfection they had either created or sought to create.
It does not mean they created the Xenomorph.
There is a lot of loose ends that we would have to maybe just consider a major oversight if they go the route that without David there would be NO EGGS on the Derelict... It would be ideal to bring a Engineer or Elder into the FOLD
As the other options are a Synthetic or Human become the Space Jockey some 18 years or latter before Alien.
But the ADF Novel seems to hint that David had came across a EGG created by the Engineers and he was merely Re-creating/Evolving it.
So its still pretty open to what route they will eventually take.
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QueenElisabethShaw: I agree that the mural is no proof of the engineers creating the xenomorph but it must be proof of them knowing about (and perhaps worshipping or fear) a similar creature (ancientmorph or whatever)? How do they know that the pathogen (mutagen is perhaps a better name?) can create this "perfect being" if they haven't seen it? It just has to be out there somewhere. The pathogen/mutagen might even be derived from this creature? And we still have the problem with connecting David's alleged creations to the eggs on LV-426 and the fossilised space jockey: Are the eggs decades or millennials old?
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