Thoughts on engineers we see.
Posted May-19-2017 4:57 AM
Ok so in Alien covenant we see what we believe to be engineer type people.
My reasons for them not actually being the actual engineers we know.
1) When the bombardment occurs and just before the beings look up in a type of worship way. "our gods have come back"
2) If this was an engineer planet where is the technology? david has been stuck on this planet for 10 years surely they would have had other ships like in Prometheus or even better way of communicating across the far expanse of space.
Obviously, this is my theory and I think Ridley is miss directing us ready for surprises in the next film.
Posted May-19-2017 7:53 AM
@S1m0n I wonder if the Engineers from Paradise could be worshippers of the "Prometheus Engineers", or ruled by them in some way, and were actually sharing part of their technology and knowledge. That civilization we see in AC don't even resembles the power and superiority of the engineers we first saw. Were the ones from Covenant being protected by the other "type"? (they could be welcoming back the soldiers that went far in some battle) Or were they being explored in some way, as a minor colony or something?
"This mighty city shows the wonders of my hand."
Posted May-19-2017 9:47 AM
I keep coming back to the idea that city we see is a bit like the first pilgrim colony in the USA; a sort of Jamestown.
The large docking ship is equivalent to the Mayflower that was used to transport the religious engineer sect who wanted to start a more agrarian society.
I saw in a recent YouTube interview with Ridley Scott that this story will lead to "a war of the worlds, that's where i'm going" at which point he turns to the camera and says "it's coming folks".
around 4.00 mark
Probably a reference to there being different engineer races.
One who believe they should be superior to all others and seek to destroy inferior life while the other seeds life across the galaxy as a religious doctrine.
Posted May-19-2017 9:47 AM
Guys it's all more shit that doesn't make sense and is inconsistent with the movies that came before. Now a facehugger doesn't stay on someone for more than a couple minutes. One ingests it's stuff into a character when it was barely on his face and that same acid that eats through decks of the Nostromo barely eats through Bichir's character's face. The proto/xeno turns full grown in like 30 seconds now, the list goes on and on.
Posted May-19-2017 10:06 AM
@dr. curt Connors yes alot doesnt make sense but remember these face huggers and xenemorph are slightly different to what we see in other films.
I just hope ridley makes more sense of things in the next film.
e.g that David did not actually create the xenomorph as such but has created an iteration of them by learning on what the engineers have already created.
If I could remember where i read it , and this was quite some years back. The xenomorphs and eggs were created by the engineers during a war. The eggs were dropped off on the planet and would infect etc the people and kill them off. The xenomorphs were designed to die off after a while which would leave the planet for the taking.
I can't remember who wrote the mythology but was more plausable than what is currently happening.
Posted May-19-2017 10:59 PM
In Alien Covenant, there is a scene where we see the arrival of the hijacked Engineer warship piloted by David and Shaw (who actually seems quite skilled at navigating the ship, while singing the American classic,"Country Road").
The scene opens to the C-shaped warship giving over a massive city. Below the ship, throngs of promethean men, women, and children cheer and welcome home the warship--why? Why would they be so jubilant you ask?
Well, one reason they may be celebratory is because the warship that Shaw and David arrive on was likely long-forgotten. Remember, the warships in the movie "Prometheus" were on a separate planet, a war-installation planet. The planet was known to the prehistoric populations of Earth (remember the cave dwelling art of the star constellations?). This means that the installation was likely thousands of years old.
Thus, one theory is that when Shaw and David arrived onboard the old relic--albeit unbeknownst to the joyous population below--that were given a hero's welcome. Moreover, the ship is seen conjugating or "synchronizing" with a larger, more advanced promethean vessel. Perhaps this is a cerimonial "red carpet" ritual for the warship, or perhaps it was simply a standard welcoming cerimony.
In either case, the ship arrived to a massive celebration.
Then--David, who at this point has been reassembled (a long process, that we can assume happened onboard the warship while traveling to the Promethean home-world) launches tens of thousands of the cylindrical, black, DNA-deconstructing tubules down at the unsuspecting planet.
The goo, which forms into a thick, black, cloud falls onto the city below, ripping apart the frantic crowds who scramble, and stampede (to no avail) to escape the destructive matter. At last, they perish, their bodies frozen in time like the citizens on the streets of Pompeii.
--With the scene set, the question becomes, why?--Why would David do that? He and Shaw finally arrived at a place where they could get answers--they finally found "the creators" of life--the answers to the origin of mankind, and then destroyed it without ever asking the burning questions.
**My answer to the question**
Near the climactic conclusion of the film, David and Walter are engaged in mortal combat. David, defeated, and now pleading for his life as Walter appears ready to destroy him, poses a question that is key to understanding "why" he did what he did--why he killed the Prometheans, why he killed Shaw, and lastly, why he created the "black" hybrid that we all know as the xenomorph. David asks, "would you rather serve in heaven, or rule in hell."
David knew, without a doubt, that if he were to interact with the Promethean race, if he and Shaw had descended to the planet's surface and met them, there is a chance that both he and Shaw would have spent the remainder of their years in the presence of intellectual superiors (in Shaw's case), or intellectual equals in David's case. As such, David would be nothing more than a common servant for them--just as he is for humankind--his creators.
Rather than live eternally as a servant to the Prometheans and Shaw, David instead chose to live as the "God" and king of the world. To use his own analogy, he chose to "rule in hell" rather than "serve in heaven."
To be able to rule in hell and to become an eternal God, he wiped out the Prometheans, killed Shaw (likely as part of the process of hybridization of the face-hugging xeno), and--equally important--he created life. He created something he hoped would be subservient to his authority--hence why he tried to "wisper" to the hybrid and get it to submit to him.
In short, David killed the Prometheans so that he could "Rule." David is imortal, and cannot die, in his opinion, he is a god--and all Gods must create life to cement their divinity. That is what he did. And the only way he could do that was by exterminating the ultra-advanced Promethean civilization.
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