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hox

FacehuggerMember453 XPAug-19-2021 12:59 PM

says Blomkamp.

Oh well, that’s that then.

26 Responses to Alien 5 is “completely dead”

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1535 XPAug-19-2021 1:13 PM

If that means that no one will screw with Alien 3 then good. They should let Ripley rest and come up with something new. Both messing with Alien 3 (Blomkamp) and turning it into a boring android tale (Scott) is bad.

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember2777 XPAug-19-2021 2:46 PM

I screwed with Alien 3 in my AVPU but I don't focus on Ripley

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MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1297 XPAug-19-2021 6:15 PM

Just releasing some art sketches was a bad idea. Just too ambiguous. Idea seemed destined for a one off graphic novel...Something Dark Horse would have done.

 

Just tell the community what the idea was...We'll get the ball rolling for him.  

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-20-2021 4:39 AM

To be Fair his Original Story was to NOT have Ripley in it at all.....

I think the Story had some Potential, there seemed some rather SILLY IDEAS in it (Ripley in a Queen Bio-suit) but i think its a STORY that could have been Re-Worked for a ALIEN V just does-not have to be about Ripley.

I think with the Disney take over and the Disappointment of Alien Covenant i think Disney were RELUCTANT to Continue with the Franchise.  And so its also UNLIKELY that we will see a Continuation of the Prequels.

We have the TV Series to come in 2023 and its a Case of will this become Canon to the Movies?  Or will it be kind of a Alternative Take on the ALIEN SAGA?

" Idea seemed destined for a one off graphic novel"

Certainly i think that could have Worked as a Comic Series.  Like i think a Continuation of Alien Covenant could maybe got a Novel Treatment instead.

Disney are going to just have to FIGURE OUT as to WHAT and WHERE to take the Franchise in the Future i think they may Gauge the Reaction to the TV Series to Assess if the Franchise is Viable on the Small and Large Screen.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1297 XPAug-20-2021 5:40 AM

I'm going to side with Disney on this one. Franchise needs a timeout....A regroup. It needs to find a star actor and director. A James Gunn type or at least a hot new young director / actor (for better or worse ) to give their take.

How Alien:Covenant  was able to reach production, shows a lack of vision ( even though I loved it )...I think the casual fan could come up with a better idea.

 

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-20-2021 8:44 AM

"How Alien:Covenant  was able to reach production"

I think that Alien Covenant was a Product of the Reaction to Blomkamps Alien V there was a LOT of Hype about that Idea, and it seemed to PUSH those at FOX to think that you have to have the Xenomorph in a ALIEN Franchise and so its LIKELY this had Contributed to the Prometheus Sequel that was to STEER AWAY from ALIEN to then become something that would STEER TOWARDS the First Movie.

And with that Direction you are going to FACE some Problems and Sacrifices because your going from the Year 2094-2122 were within that less than 28 Years you are going to MAKE a Series of Movies that will in Chronological Terms the Xenomorph Origins.  To Chronologically show us the Event of the Derelict/Space Jockey in the Time-Line to come (after 2094) was a MISTAKE.

To be Fair they was having TROUBLE with a Story/Plot even prior to that, as to have  a Movie where Dr Shaw and her Robot Companion would arrive on a World with Engineers who are Technologically Advanced and Physically more Powerful and a Race who are WANTED to see Humans Destroyed...

Well thats a Tricky Situation right there.... we saw HOW LONG that Peter Weyland and Co had Lasted when the Engineer had Awoken.... what would be the Result with just ONE HUMAN and a Robot vs...... 100, 500, 10000 or Tens of Thousands of Engineers?

The other Problem coming from can you have a Movie about a Single Human and their Robot Sidekick and some Angry Engineers...... would you NEED to have more Humans and HOW do you do that....... they seem to think from EARTH!

This just shows that the Writers could not take into Account the Space Gardeners/Creators Plot and think BEYOND our Earth.

Alien Covenant had a LOT of Plot Points to get through A-Z to really do Justice within the Run-Time so a LOT of Sacrifices were made and the Pacing become too Fast Once we saw Oram go off to look for Rosenthal

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-20-2021 8:55 AM

We Basically had TWO kind of ALIEN V ideas that were at Various Stages, the Blomkamp Ones and the David Giler/Walter Hill Version, and BOTH seemed to be something of a RUN OUT OF IDEAS.... well seem to think you HAVE to have Ripley back to have any ALIEN MOVIE become a Success.

I know that there were Ideas to make a ALIEN V back in late 90's but FOX had Decided to go for a AVP Spin Off instead.  After AVPR had Bombed a bit... then FOX had Decided to NOT go and touch the Franchise until the Prequel ideas from 2009.

There WAS and still IS the Potential to do a ALIEN Story that does-not have to being Ripley back and Effect any of the other Movies as FAR as Conflicts or Canon etc.

Will a ALIEN V ever see the Light of  Day (as in a 5th ALIEN Installment) who knows i think a LOT would depend on what the TV Series shows and HOW the TV Show does/performs.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember2777 XPAug-20-2021 3:52 PM

It seems nobody in the entertainment industry has the guts to push forward in movie franchise. Its either prequels or recycling ideas already present in their respected franchises for sequels. AVP started this prequel original sin for ALIEN

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MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1297 XPAug-20-2021 4:40 PM

I'd start Alien V with:

 

Scene 1:

A synthetic morgue on Mars the year is 2550.

 

Two humans are strolling through the morgue, they stop in front of a body drawer...They slide the diener out and unzip the neoprene.

Tall man "That him?"

Short man  "Yes"

Camera shows a very pale and lifeless David 8.

Tall man hands short man a data chip.

Tall man "Get him loaded"

David is wheeled out on a gurney, the tall man follows behind.

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember2777 XPAug-20-2021 5:14 PM

why can't we stick with a single tech era, peripherally the 2180-2190's. I would rather a more familiar ALIEN universe rather than reinventing the ALIEN  Universe by placing it further into the future.

Edit: You know what I'll make a post about tech era.

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BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-21-2021 4:47 AM

Its like i have said i would NOT have been a Fan of doing any kind of ALIEN V that would ESSENTIALLY make Alien 3 and Alien R become removed from Canon.

If they wanted to go with another Ripley Movie then i would rather see a Continuation of Alien Resurrection.

But then its a Case of you could make another ALIEN Movie that is SET after the Events of ALIEN R that would not have to Connect to Ripley 8 or anything that Happened in ALIEN R as they could Discover another Location in the Galaxy where there are Xenomorphs.

The Comics and Video Games etc have a Expanded Universe that is more VAST than we have seen in the Movie Franchise.  I dont think you would Contradict the Franchise much if you had a New Adventure that was SET say after 2180.

You would have to Conclude (but then maybe leave it Mystery) to WHY would USM go and Resort to trying to CLONE our Ripley to Obtain a Xenomorph.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1297 XPAug-21-2021 4:59 AM

My Alien V Would attempt to keep everything canon.

David 8 would be found on Mars 120 years after he was delivered there. Synthetics were basically outlawed by this time...Taken offline. So a holding cell for the million or so synthetics is located on Mars.

The United-Marines are busy dealing with the Sleepers ( Engineers...but only the crew of the Prometheus called them that ) Sleepers lay claim to ALL planets. Humans think this is problem.

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-21-2021 5:07 AM

"It seems nobody in the entertainment industry has the guts to push forward in movie franchise"

Well it COSTS $$$$ to make a Movie and so they have to be Careful and think what would SELL/MAKE Money.  The AVP Franchise on Screen had made a bit of a Mockery of the Xenomorph but this is a ALTERNATIVE CANON.

Prometheus was a Attempt to TRY something Different but then when you are Dealing with any kind of ORIGINS you do RUN the RISK that its NOT going to be what every FAN would Expect/Want.  It lacked some things to Appease some Fans.

Alien Covenant was a attempt to Appease some Fans and GIVE the Answers but then it Basically threw a LOT of the Potential of Prometheus out of the Window, and the Revelation of the Xenomorph Origin was Bound to NOT settle WELL with a Majority of the Fans...... it also showed that you can HYPE the Xenomorph and HAVE the Xenomorph and STILL your NOT going to be Guaranteed a Good Return.

Blomkamp and Hill/Giler seemed to come with IDEAS that had Ripley as they LIKELY had Felt you NEED to have Ripley + Xenomorphs to make a Successful ALIEN Movie......

I think that YES you would have to have the Xenomorph but you can Change it about a BIT but then its HOW MUCH of a Change before Fans think you have RUINED the Beast?

The Problem does come down to MONEY.... and Especially with DISNEY as they do-not like to see things make a LOSS...

With Novels its Easier if you have a Good Story as with a Novel you can give more Details and your NOT at the Ransom of Cast Members Schedules and more so a RUNNING TIME.

With Graphic Novels/Comics again you can Create Visual Effects that are FAR CHEAPER than to Replicate them into a LIVE ACTION MOVIE.

Video Games can be Expensive but the Player is Immersed into the Character/Plot as you are PART of the Action....

A Good Example is ALIEN: ISOLATION however..... if say No-One had Played the Game and you Basically Recorded Someone play the Game all the WAY through to the END and then Showed that on the Big Screen it would maybe NOT draw in the Money to make a Profit.

No Matter what ALIEN Movie they make then your LIKELY to NOT go and Please everyone, but it comes down to HOW MUCH can you make back?

The ALIEN Franchise is ONE Good Movie away from getting back to where it Belongs but its also ONE Bad Movie away from being kinda KILLED OFF.  There is a RISK of can you make another ALIEN/ALIENS as far as Success or could we get a Alien R or WORSE.... a AVPR kind of Result.

It really depends on WHAT it is that DISNEY are willing to Risk and i would Suspect they be more OPEN to say Bringing Back Ripley than to go with some Ideas that Ridley Scott had prior to ALIEN Covenant.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-21-2021 5:24 AM

"I would rather a more familiar ALIEN universe rather than reinventing the ALIEN  Universe by placing it further into the future"

A Wise Man Once Said...... that World War 3 will be Fought with Nukes etc, and World War 4 will be Fought with Sticks and Stones.....

If we look at the Aftermath of Alien Resurrection than the Future on Earth for MOST of us could be a MAD MAX kind of Planet/Tech Level.... Salvage what you can.

As FAR as Tech then YES the thing that made the Xenomorph a Threat was when you had NO FAIR means to Deal with it....  they was Basically Cannon Fodder in ALIENS but the Marines do have Explosive Round Ammunition.

So if you had Marines with even more Advanced Weapons then the Xenomorph would NOT be as much a Threat......  And so a PART of the PLOT with Prometheus could Potentially get us to look at the Xenomorph as a bit POINTLESS...

As FAR as the Companies Agenda for it...... LV-223 is the JACKPOT! and Planet 4 to a Degree.... if you can get the Engineer Tech and Re-Engineer it, you could maybe come up with Weapons that would CUT THROUGH the Xenomorphs like a Hot Knife through Butter

And so YES the Technology Era of the Alien Franchise say between 2100-2200 would be more Ideal to Pursue... 

@MonsterZero

Sounds Interesting..... and also we have to BARE in Mind that David is a Sentient Soul, he has Ambition, Desires......  Walter is but a SHELL just as  David 1-8 was prior.

so the Character of David can LIVE-ON past the Body of Micheal Fassbender ;)

when we get to the TIME-LINE of Alien Resurrection we have CALL who is a AUTON a Synthetic who was Created by Synthetics..... could a AWOKEN Synthetic Soul like our David had Created them? (Autons).

The Aftermath of Alien R is Interesting as we see the Earth is in like RUIN as if some WAR has been going on..... it seems this WORLD has NOT been just Fought over by Mankind.... but you have Synthetics and Autons into the Mix.... and so this makes USM wanting the Xenomorph as a Weapon Interesting... because then the Xenomorph maybe could CHANGE the TIDE of Conflict on Earth.

so Mankind can Reclaim it back.............but what if our Creators then Return?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MonsterZero

XenomorphMember1297 XPAug-21-2021 6:32 AM

David 8 is a great link to the past, easy to tie the series together ( make it somewhat coherent ). Having to resurrect or clone someone ( Ripley ) to tie the series is awkward.

 

I'd rename the Engineers the Nukkumassa, Finnish for sleeping.

 

Reawakening David 8 would be cool. 

Tall Man "What do you remember?"

David "Not much I'm afraid"

Tall Man "What can you tell us about the starship Prometheus?"

It takes David 30 seconds to respond 

David "I have no memories of this vessel"

 

"so Mankind can Reclaim it back"

A dead earth trilogy would be awesome.

 

 

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember2777 XPAug-21-2021 6:18 PM

well the xenomorphs in ALIENS still were a tough bunch to fight, i don't think they were cannon fodder since we only saw a few xenomorphs visibly dying on screen. The marines were always on the defensive and never on the offerensive

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BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-22-2021 6:29 AM

I think that YES the Xenomorph is a Hostile and Dangerous Foe... what i mean by Canon Fodder is they was shown to NOT be that Tough to Deal with, if you have the Right Weaponry.  And Especially if they are Engaged in OPEN WARFARE as in Open Ground....  but the same can be said for Fighting Lions, if your Outnumbered 5-1 by Lions your NOT going to Survive... Unless you have Space/Distance and Firepower then they Easy Pickings.

AVPR made them (Xenomorph) even more of a Easy Pickings....

The Xenomorph is best USED from the Dark and Confined Spaces, and it Worked with the First AVP.... and with ALIENS there was scenes of them using the Structure of the Hadleys Hope Station to their Advantage.

So i think it Depends on how you Show the Xenomorph Threat, if NOT done right then you could END UP with like Starship Troopers.

"David 8 is a great link to the past, easy to tie the series together"

I think that YEAH he could be the Connective Tissue of the Franchise as the Prequels have indicated he is the ONE who has Instigated the Xenomorph, it is LIKELY he is behind Special Order-937.  And there is a Chance that RS would have shown us that DAVIDS A.I is Uploaded to the Weyland-Yutani Systems and so David could be the ONE who is Pulling the Strings.

But its a case of NOT everyone would be Pleased with the Franchise having a HIGH EMPHASIS on David as FAR as him being a Pivotal Role to the Overall Plot/Threat.

I think a KEY thing with doing another ALIEN Movie would be (same maybe applies to TV Series if trying to be Canon) is that you have to TRY and NOT go and Contradict/Conflict the other Movies or leaving Loose Ends/Plot Holes.

This does-not APPLY if your going to Reboot the Franchise though.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

hox

FacehuggerMember453 XPAug-23-2021 8:00 AM

Blomkamp has been talking to other newspapers recently.

In the above article, he theorises that Ridley Scott saw "Chappie" and that nailed the coffin shut as far as Alien 5 under his stewardship was concerned. Also, he never spoke to Ridley again.

It's not a bad theory. Everyone loved District 9, but his follow-up movies Elysium and Chappie were both samey samey. I was horrified at the prospect of Alien 5 looking anything like any of those three movies.

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-23-2021 8:35 AM

I think they could gone and MADE a ALIEN V if they SET it after Alien Resurrection.

I had came up with a Few Ideas before.... where you can even have Ripley 8 and to get away with the Age Difference well you have some CGI Overlay with Ripley 8 but then you show her Becoming Ill and Fighting with her Inner Humanity and Xenomorph Need to Survive.....

Call could suggest she knows of People who can HELP HER...

So she is taken to a Lair and is Placed on a Table or Cryo-Pod, but we Flash Forwards and Ripley 8 is starting to Age, her Skin becoming Grey/Leathery like what was Happening to Holloway.

Call can then Inform her that they could-not HELP her... so Ripley leaves and she is NOW Aging Fast, (so you dont have to USE any Make Up, well just to change her Skin Tone).

The Autons have come up with a DRUG that can Suppress her Aging Rate...

But latter Ripley 8 Discovers the TRUTH that the Autons have a CULT and maybe they Worship David in Reality........... they REALLY have been using Ripley 8 to Obtain her DNA and Create some Species... Their Agenda was for CALL to Obtain a Specimen and Destroy the Auriga..... so the Autons can Create something to AID them in World Domination.

*A more Humanoid Super-Human like Ripley 8 but these START to De-Age Quickly and then DIE...

*A Hybrid Xenomorph Creature with a New Way to Procreate.

After the Discovery.... Call tries to GIVE a Good Reason for it.... but Ripley says she CANT let them USE the DNA of the Xenomorph....

Call threatens to Destroy the Vials of Drug that can SLOW DOWN the Rate that Ripley is DYING.....   then she Destroys them.... Ripley becomes ANGRY and her Xeno-DNA starts to take Over.... from her Frail getting Older Body she begins to EVOLVE into more Xeno-DNA.

So we see Ripley 8 go and Mutate/Evolve into a Hybrid and this Hybrid gives her the Strength to Thwart the Plans of the AUTON CULT.....

She is able to CONTROL the Hybrid Xenomorphs and after a BATTLE and Victory we see that Ripley 8 knows she cant ALLOW them to Survive and Destroys them.

She then Struggles with her Humanity as she Wrestled with the Decision to KILL the Hybrids.... Fearing that her Humanity is going away... she then SACRIFICES herself....... Destroys herself..... 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1535 XPAug-23-2021 8:43 AM

I'm not very sad if we won’t see a continuation of the prequels, since they have already made a mess of them. A TV-series would be preferred for now since I doubt that they feel like continuing on the big screen at least with the prequels.

Nothing is better than more of something that has the quality of the prequels or AR. There has got to be something better than what we've had since at least 1997.

AC turned out the way it did because of different things I can imagine. One is a director that is tired of the monster so it's just shown fast, he is interested in David so we get scenes that are dragged out and has a focus that I'm not in it for. Unfortunately I guess that Scott just threw the monsters in there without even caring that much about them. Fox probably thought that all we wanted was creatures but no there need to be more than that. What was new and interesting (the Engineers) was pushed aside and they didn't get a writer that could do characters. You just can't blame only Blomkamp for what Covenant became.

"Oram go off to look for Rosenthal"

Oram was alright but could have been better written, Rosenthal was meaningless like most of the characters because she had no personality. I don't blame the actors I guess that they need better writers that can write characters so we don't get what we have been given in the prequels.

"After AVPR had Bombed a bit"

A bit? That's to put it mildly, AVPR is one of the worst movies that I've seen ever.

Maybe another Alien-movie could work but then I don't think that it should have a connection to what we've seen this far. By doing that they could come up with new things and not be tied to what we've seen before. I would like to see a connection between the Engineers or something related to them given that you show the connection. New things are welcome if you ask me.

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPAug-23-2021 4:43 PM

"One is a director that is tired of the monster so it's just shown fast, he is interested in David so we get scenes that are dragged out"

Yeah there was Quite a LOT to the PLOT and they would have a Run-Time to try and FIT it all in, and it seemed RS was NOT a Fan of the Monsters he wanted a BIGGER STORY to be Told and a LOT of that would Revolve through David which i know some Fans are NOT that into.

I get the Impression that RS was NOT really a FAN of making a Prometheus Sequel into a Monster Movie, it seemed Creation, Rebellion and other Themes are WHAT he wanted to Cover and it would seem the LACK of Screen Time for the Engineers is NOT really what he would have Wanted... but its a Result of the STUDIO wanting to make the Prometheus Sequel become a Trilogy Series to then Connect to ALIEN and so the Xenomorph would have to come into Play and looking at HOW you have to have the Xenomorph Creation and then HOW it gets onto LV-426 with a Time-Line where there would be NO Xenomorphs as of 2095 meant they had to Shoe-Horn a lot into the Movie, which included bringing in more HUMANS and this is HENCE why our Planet 4 was so CLOSE to Earth.

I think that many Movies have Throw Away Characters who are Required for PLOT DEVICES and to Allow Certain Part of the Plot to Unfold.  Unfortunately if you cant get Good Character Development then you just WONT CARE about the Death of Certain Characters.  When you are doing a Action/Horror then its NOT that Easy to have say 5-8 Characters you can Really Connect with. Prometheus was NOT so Bad.... but again the Characters who you could Connect with NEEDED more Screen Time and with Alien Covenant well you just could NOT go and Connect with MOST of the Characters.

Its a Problem with you have say 2-3 other Characters you Connect with (who have Less Screen Time) more than the Main 2 Characters (not Inc David/Walter).

AVPR may have not done too Good at the Box Office, but its a Shocking Bad Movie, that is something you just cant go and watch more than 2-3 Times...

"New things are welcome if you ask me"

It seemed this was what RS had in Mind before the STUDIO felt you had to have the Xenomorph, and they could have had Similar and Changed it but it seems the STUDIO felt you had to have Xenomorphs and with TRYING to do something NEW its a Case of Certain Fans will EXPECT to have Xenomorphs and for those to NOT be Changed too much......  The Studio also thinking this is WHAT the Fans want.

I Fear if we get a TV Series or Movie then the Xenomorph will be WHAT they think has to PLAY a Big Part and its a Case of IF they have New Things would those be about Engineers, Different Horrors, Different Worlds/Races?

I doubt it NOW... so it be Basically similar to Alien-Alien 4 etc but maybe they would DELVE into the Company and WHY they want the Xenomorph more.

The Xenomorph is Iconic... i just Wonder as to HOW OFTEN can you just Rinse and Repeat?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPSep-17-2021 5:33 AM

I think there are Avenues for a ALIEN V they just have to give it some Thought ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPSep-17-2021 8:04 AM

You could come to like Nearly Full Circle.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1535 XPSep-18-2021 5:02 AM

BD


It isn't wrong to try to expand the franchise (Engineers for example) but to try to turn it into a tale of a mad robot is a really bad direction. I wouldn't care to watch it if someone had told me that it was the direction that they would take Covenant into. Ridley just screws things up when he’s trying to interfere with the story, so he should stay away from it, but I guess that Fox also had a role in messing it up. Yea I don't think that's what Scott wanted, but maybe it would have been better as a movie on its own or make another franchise. The themes mean nothing if the story and characters don't work, although having the themes in an alien-movie isn't wrong in itself, but you got to execute it well, which AC didn't.

You mention throw-away characters, but most of them were like that in Covenant except for Oram, David, Daniels (maybe), and Walter. Lope could be brought up, but he doesn't count to me since he had no personality even though he had some screen-time but so have the storm-troopers in Star Wars. :D Prometheus had the same problem, you mention that Prometheus wasn't that bad, but I disagree. Prometheus and Covenant have a lot of the same problems, the main thing is that Prometheus doesn't have a mad robot as the creator of the monster.

"The Studio also thinking this is WHAT the Fans want."

A reason why the studio should just finance it and not have a say in the story. Money matter but if you get someone that understands writing you increase your chances to get a good movie. The studios seem to have that backwards, and maybe that's why we get what we get, at least sometimes.

I would rather see new monsters and the Engineers rather than to repeat the same thing again and again (more Xenos, another Derelict, and so on). You mention a TV-series, if they will just focus on the Xeno then they might just forget it. Didn't Saw do the same thing? Jigsaw returning seven times, whatever number of movies they did. Get someone that can expand the franchise and move away from what we've seen a lot of times.

The Xenomorph is Iconic... i just Wonder as to HOW OFTEN can you just Rinse and Repeat?”

Maybe if you make something tied to the Engineers you can take that and spin it into a different direction but keeping that dread? Keep the theme of people getting into situations that they are not prepared for mentally, or what kind of equipment they have. In case you will have them fighting against androids they should be a part of a company run by humans, but the androids is not what it should be about. To put it in a different way, there can be androids, but they shouldn't be what it's about.

That seems to be a mix of a zombie survival (dead abandoned city) movie mixed with Alien meets transformers. X vengeance sounds like Transformers X - Vengeance of Megatron.

You mean that the Engineers used the goo on themselves to evolve? Interesting, I look at the upper image.

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPSep-18-2021 8:59 AM

"I would rather see new monsters and the Engineers rather than to repeat the same thing again and again"

I think that YES what RS was trying to do with Prometheus was to EXPAND the Franchise to STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph the Vanilla-Morph, this does-not mean there would NOT have been Horrors... just they would have LIKELY been Different to the Xenomorph.   The Engineers Plot does OPEN UP the Potential for MANY WORLDS..... Many Races and Conflicts.

In Regards to the OT.... its looking at WHERE do they GO with the Franchise?

Before the Prequels we are LED to Conclude (Theatrically)

LV-426 = Xenomorph Eggs, LV-426 = Destroyed, Ripley = Last Queen =Dead!

Thus 200 Years after they CLONE her to Obtain a Queen, the EVENTS of AR would = Destroyed USM Auriga  and THUS..... No Xenomorphs!

So it seems that Blomkamp and Giler/Hill had got into a Pickle.. as to HOW can we have a ALIEN MOVIE with what we Assume the Derelict Gone?

Blomkamp seemed to indicate that Humans do Recover either the Derelict or they Discover another SHIP..... his PLOT had Potential.....  and Originally it was to NOT have Ripley, but after he Pitched it to Miss Weaver then he Changed the STORY so that Ripley and Co would all have Survived and THUS it would Remove the Movies Alien 3 and Alien R from Canon!

I dont agree with that Direction.........

Ridley Scott with Prometheus had FELT we had seen the Xenomorph enough and it was TIME to Explore the Space Jockey Race and the Engineers Plot became a Reality and this was a Interesting way to EXPAND the Franchise.

The Change of the PLOT to make a Literal Chronological Set of Prequels to ALIEN was a Mistake..... and AC has left the Franchise in a Pickle...

IF you are LOOKING to make a 5th ALIEN MOVIE then you have to ASK as to WHERE can you GO and the Prequels are Canon (intended) and so they DO GIVE OPTIONS to HOW you can Explore the Franchise.

The Problem comes with FANS and IF they are ONLY going to want to see the Return of the Vanilla-Morph and if we go that Route then we can ASK?

1) Is the Derelict Totally Void as FAR as Obtaining a Specimen? 

It would have to be some Hundreds of Years after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope but you could go back to LV-426 and try and Recover the Derelict and then its HOW VIABLE are the Eggs and can you TRY and Obtain a Xenomorph from what is left?  This seems in Part what Blomkamps Idea was and the Red Harvest Project.

2) Was the Derelict the ONLY such Ship to have been Loaded with Eggs?

And so if there were Others then WHERE are THEY?

3) If we accept Alien Covenant as Canon, then there are Eggs on Planet 4.

And the Engineers will LIKELY be Returning and so WHAT do they THINK about those Eggs?  Would they TAKE them somewhere and would that ONLY lead to LV-223/426?

4) Could the Company Obtain a Xenomorph or Engineer something from the Dead Face Huggers on Fury 161?

But a way around that would be that Ripley got the Prisoners etc to DESTROY it all.

5) After the Destruction of the USM Auriga has some of the Wreckage Survived? and can they Obtain a Specimen from the DNA of anything related to the Xenomorph?

And so those are a FEW Examples of HOW you can BRING BACK the Xenomorph, you dont have to Reboot/Retcon anything.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10181 XPSep-18-2021 9:50 AM

"You mean that the Engineers used the goo on themselves to evolve? Interesting, I look at the upper image."

You have to LOOK at what they was doing!

The PLOT is about Creation, and Playing God, and Immortality and if you look at Weyland then surely he would WANT to Discover a WAY to Extend his Life.... i am sure in 5000 Years that Humans would LIVE for Longer than 80-100 Years.. with Advancements in Technology/Medicine etc.

The Xenomorph as a Efficient Pest Control is NOT that Ideal....

The Engineers are said to have been using LV-223 and the Black Goo as something they can WIPE the Slate Clean and RESET a World.

They already Possessed the PERFECT TOOL for that Job!

The LV-223 Engineers looked more Enhanced than Planet 4 and they also had that Pressure Suit that seemed to be Fused with their Bodies and has some Aesthetic of the Xenomorph and so its LIKELY they had Engineered this from something they was Experimenting on.

They could have ENCOUNTERED a Organism they HAD-NOT been Involved in the Creation of and SAW some Potential in this Organism for some Reason and they BEGAN to Experiment with this Organism..... which maybe Predates the Deacon etc.

If we look at RIPLEY 8 then she appears to be the most Perfect Humanoid we have seen, she can Regenerate, she has Greater Strength and Speed than a Human.  But the KICKER.... she seemed to HAVE some of the Memories of RIPLEY.

She is in a WAY a Reincarnation of Ripley but in a more Enhanced Form.

If the ORIGINS to the Xenomorph/Deacon etc was a Organism which we see EVENTUALLY had Led to RIPLEY 8 then this would OFFER the Engineers a way to Enhance themselves and also to have like a Pseudo Resurrection/Rebirth.

So you can LOOK BEYOND the Xenomorph as just a KILLING MACHINE. By Uplifting the Origins of where it came from (MURAL/FRESCO) in Prometheus.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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