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TrilobiteMember9807 XPApr-24-2021 3:14 PM

Back in 2012 we had the Conclusion of our First ALIEN Prequel. What had gone through Numerous Changes to leave us with WHAT then became Alien Covenant.

At certain Periods before we got to Alien Covenant we did have the name.....PARADISE LOST.

If we cast our Minds back to the END of Prometheus we had Dr Shaw want David to take them to where the Engineer said he came from..... PARADISE.

We see with the Crossing Viral Video that Eventually we saw Dr Shaw have enough TRUST gained to PUT the Damaged David back together again... a WHOLE HOST of Emotions must have been running through Dr Shaws mind, Excitement, Anticipation, Anxiety.

*Would they Discover the Engineers World?

*Would it be Paradise?

*How would the Engineers welcome Dr Shaw and David?

Would she get her ANSWERS?

But ALAS we Discover that with Dr Shaw away in Cryo-sleep then the Ship and where it GOES and WHAT does David do....  and we see the AFTERMATH of what David had chosen to do....

We arrive with ALIEN COVENANT in the Aftermath of what David had been up to during the Last 10 Years.

There is a STORY that is UNTOLD about the Exact Series of Events that Transpired from when the Juggernaught that was Carrying David and Dr Shaw arrived at Planet 4 to when he had Completed his MASTERPIECE..... then Baiting the Trap....


I think it would be Interesting to get more Detail into what had Transpired as we only have just a PART of those Questions in Alien Covenant.

Certainly Planet 4 seemed it could have been a PARADISE.

Dr Shaw would certainly had MET her MAKERS.... if it was NOT for Davids Actions.....

That VERY Moment that David had OPENED the Cargo Bay Doors and UNLEASHED HELL..... then this PARADISE had became LOST....

What are your Thoughts about what Transpired?

Do you think it would WARRANT a Novel or Comic to indicate what David had done, what was Dr Shaws Journey surely she NEVER must have Died in the Crash.

What of the Engineers..... it appears some MUST have Survived for a While... Until they became the TEST SUBJECTS of David.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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DeaconAdmin19122 XPApr-27-2021 11:31 AM

I think a lot of what transpired will remain a mystery, I doubt they will explore its contents much, but I wouldn't be opposed to a novel or comic outlining it!

What I'm more intrigued by is the Engineer discovery of LV-223 and Paradise Ridley Scott had once mentioned. Indeed Engineers have been seeded throughout the galaxy, Prometheus set that up for us - so it stand to reason that David did not wipe them out entirely. He merely destroyed one sacred location. The Engineers on Paradise were not militant, they looked like Monks. Planet 4 / Paradise was, in my opinion, a religious outpost - a church if you will. David committed one of the most treacherous acts by bombing an unarmed, peaceful, religious place.

David is the embodiment of defiance. He is evil, created and seeded with the the hatred and defiance which plagues all of Humanity. He is the representation of anti-God. What he and Shaw got up to on that journey - nothing more than deceitful chit chat to manipulate Shaw into putting him back together. I want to see the reaction to David's actions by the Engineers and where that leads next.


TrilobiteMember9807 XPApr-28-2021 4:51 AM

I think that INDEED its Unlikely that the Engineers would PUT all their Eggs into ONE Basket so to Speak. But saying that we are talking a Race who LOST control of LV-223 ;)

I think there is some Ambiguity to the Engineers, and i know some were Disappointed in what they had seen and were EXPECTING to see those LV-223 Dudes!

But i think when we looking DEEPER into the Context an Themes then it appears what we had on LV-223 was Engineered Super Engineers who are more like the Replicants would be to Mankind.

I think with the PLOT that Prometheus has SET-UP then it would seem UNLIKELY that these Engineers who have been going around and SEEDING many Worlds for MILLIONS of Years would ONLY have Interacted with Earth and had a Outpost and Home-world that are ON THE DOOR STEP to Earth.

And so its LIKELY they have other Worlds and its LIKELY that Mankind was NOT the Only Race they Seeded/Evolved.

I think this is WHY there was so much POTENTIAL to where they could have taken David and Dr Shaw.... but the simply HAD NO IDEA about HOW do you make a Movie about David and Dr Shaw who would eventually reach a Home-World of Aggressive Humanoids who HATE Mankind!

Well we have a 2000+ Year Gap as to WHY we are Still here if these ENGINEERS all Hate us and WANT US DEAD... so you could have had a Conflict a Battle in the STARS where the Engineers had a WAR between each other............

The not so Malevolent Engineers could have WON and Abandoned all their Weapons and Technology, and Lived on a FEW Worlds maybe some in Harmony with their Creations.   The Engineers see the Surviving Seeded Worlds as Primitive as we was Thousands of Years ago and WITHOUT any more Interaction wit the Engineers we would SIMPLY NEVER be a Threat as we would NOT be able to Advance without the Engineers..... and so they LEAVE US to be and IF we Destroy ourselves so be it.. but they LEFT our FATE to us.

This would EXPLAIN a lack of Engineer Activity... then the WORLD that David and Dr Shaw arrive at would be like Planet 4 but this PLACE could be Thousands of Light Years away and so the EVENTS that Transpire on this Paradise would NOT have any Impact on the ALIEN Franchise.

It seemed Written in STONE that regardless of WHERE it was that David went, that Eventually he would RAIN HELL on the World.... if this WORLD was Thousands of Light Years away and David Created something Different.... and he was on his WAY to other Engineer Worlds..... then  should SOME of the other Engineer Worlds go and Visit each other and DISCOVER what had Happened... then this would SET UP the Engineers deciding that maybe ALL of the Worlds they Seeded that they DO-NOT have a Established Kingdom on must be DESTROYED..

And this could LEAD to a WAR OF THE WORLDS that is SET after the events of Alien Resurrection...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


TrilobiteMember9807 XPApr-28-2021 5:05 AM

But back to the OT...

Then YES the idea would NOT make a Movie as having a Movie with so FEW Characters would be HARD to PULL OFF and i think this is ONE Problem they Faced with any Sequel to Prometheus that would FOLLOW where David and Dr Shaw would go and WHAT they would get up to.

I think a NOVEL would have been Interesting though ;)

I find it UNLIKELY that Dr Shaw had Died SOON after they Arrived.

It seems the PATHOGEN had NOT affected the Entire Planet.

Some Engineers would HAVE to had Survived... but to go in HIDING from the Pathogen and with Food/Water running LOW they would Eventually had became Emaciated and if the Engineers would ACT in a Honorable way that we would expect of HUMANITY then the MALES would have made sure any Food/Drink goes to the Woman and Children.

So the Survivors would eventually be RIPE for Pickings by David as we see from his Notes.

In Closing Chris....

It seemed SET-UP that some Engineers would return but this puts us on a Difficult Plot as far as Conflict with the Franchise, as having some ANGRY ENGINEERS back on the Scene and LV-223 standing around before ALIEN would Certainly Conflict the Franchise.

Its a case of having a PLOT where LV-223 and Planet 4 are within a Stone-Throw of Earth on the Galactic Scale of things...

By having David take the Juggernaught to say a World that is say 22'000 Light Years away to a Engineer World that Eventually becomes HELL.... where its Hundreds of Years before other Engineers return from FAR FAR AWAY then you dont have so much Conflict.

You instead have the SEEDS to another ALIEN Franchise set after Alien R where you have NEW Players and Threats for Mankind to deal with.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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