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Alien Series for Hulu is official

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ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3047 XPDec-10-2020 3:45 PM

Well after tons of speculation and rumors it's finally official that Alien is finally getting a streaming series via Hulu. I'll post the link below.

https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/3644403/disney-announces-alien-television-series-hulu-will-set-earth/

All that's known so far is apparently It'll be Earth set and Ridley Scott seems to be producing. Let's discuss shall we?

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

66 Responses to Alien Series for Hulu is official

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-13-2020 4:22 PM

"Aliens are not enemies to us. They are a budding civilization and they need a helping hand!"

Well Ripley did say "You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them ****ing each other over for a goddamn percentage."

When i was Pondering as to WHAT we could be in Store for, and i put about WHAT IF someone on Earth had been Playing Dr Moreau and Creating/Engineering a Life-form which could UPLIFT the Agenda of the Company when they Discover another Engineered Life-Form that is 100% ALIEN... 

Well as Dr Shaw would say "we were Wrong" well i was ;)

This Promotional Image does seem to Indicate the Series will FEATURE the Xenomorph at some point.

So IF this is the Case then is this Series a Reboot/Alternative?  It is to ALIEN as the Dark Knight Series is to the 90's Batman Movies?

If NOT then HOW does this TV series AVOID any conflict with the Franchise if its ON EARTH and SET to be prior to ALIEN or ALIENS?

If you set in after ALIENS and had it that this is WHY the Earth looked in Bad Shape in ALIEN R then surely if they had MASS Xenomorph interaction on Earth then SURELY they could recover something and NOT have to resort to the Ripley DNA!

So you have to be Careful and to NOT go and Conflict/Contradict the Franchise, but if this TV show will have Xenomorphs and be set what 2030-2080 say then thats going to be UNLIKELY.

Looking at the Image i Posted.... then we see what look like Structure that we would see with a Engineer/Space Jockey Ship...

How can we be SET on Earth, and have a Engineer/Space Jockey Ship or some Construction and introduce the Xenomorph and NOT go and Conflict the Franchise?

Well MAYBE the Plot has been Covered a bit on HERE in the Past i think maybe GAVIN had suggested this but Forgive if i am Wrong?

What IF someone Discovers a Engineer/Space Jockey Ship at the BOTTOM of the SEA?

IF you think thats a BIT CRAZY!.... Go and STUDY the Promotional Image by FX that i Posted and you will NOTICE what seems to be a Partially Flooded Interior of some Structure or Ship that has the Derelict/Juggernaught Aesthetic

Such a PLOT i guess could be set say 2035-2075 (Earlier the Better as FAR as a Cover Up) and so we have Mankinds First Encounter with the Xenomorph on Earth but this GETS COVERED UP after i assume the Ship/Specimens are DESTROYED?

Then Many Years Latter we have WY go and Discover the LV-426 Signal and Realize they could get their HANDS on the Organism again!

The Problem i have with such a IDEA would be that it would Conflict the Prequels, Certainly would make it UNLIKELY for David to have Created the Xenomorph.. but WHO KNOWS if the TV Series will REMOVE the Prequels from Canon?

The other Problem and Especially if its Set in the NOT to Distant Future is in Part we have a UNDERWATER meets ALIEN that then Expands to well... a AVPR minus Predators.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BlackAnt

FacehuggerMember208 XPDec-14-2020 12:52 AM

Gentleman, 

I am calling this meeting to order....as you know I put out some real zingers there previously; however, I wanted to cut the BS a little bit and get down to some real business because hey why not.

First things first. I really like a lot of the ideas that everyone has stated...these are all valid, arguments, concerns, and expectations.

With that being said this brings us to our first problem.

Please everyone listen closely because I believe after enough years of seeing these productions I have a little expertise, as well as all of you, when it comes to being able to discern what we will get in terms of production from the new TV show.

First of all you never let your most profitable franchises go to television or cable. This in my most professional opinion means Disney no longer values any Alien production for the big screen. That being stated this a mixed blessing in disguise for all of us. 

We are all well aware that movie theater chains around the world have gone bankrupt. So this leaves subscription based services as the only show in town. I am not sure the executives know if they can commoditize the formulas for digital distribution to make this work for subscription based networks.

We must also realize that what ever we are about to see produced may not have a very large budget. Disney plans to get every last dollar out of everything else that it can before the those productions lose momentum.

I think we will see something along the lines of a combination of action, long format drama - Earth soap opera, sci-fi, for the 20 - 60 age group. 

I have seen other productions that Disney has done recently and I believe they are handing this off to the HULU division to keep the hard core gore in this production. So this is good right? Hulu is not well associated with the Disney's family entertainment titles.  

I think we should be prepared to see a lower budget hard R teaser season that falls in line with subscription based content of similar value and worth to the parent company.

So everyone stay positive in that this will be successful for what might be a very long set of seasons. However, I would never expect to see anything Alien ever again in the theaters. Disney is producing many other titles that bring more synergy overall their other larger assets.

So for example, we all know there will be a Marvel super hero's based portion of the theme parks soon when they all safely reopen to the public. This does not mean there will ever be an Alien section because this part of their assets is not family friendly. 

This is my two cents as to what we might see at Hulu. Legion was very Dark so there is every chance that Alien can stay true to cannon and is in good hands.

I am also very happy just to have Alien moving forward with a great subscription based service. Let's all hope there is enough viewers out there for Hulu to make this very successful and very profitable.

The reality is that viewership has waned and changed as we see from the box office numbers with AC. You never know though. They could produce something very interesting and creative with a lower budget and we might just get lucky!

Just so you all know I think we should do everything and anything to keep this alive....so I want a bug hunt starship troopers episode. I want a romance story angle, and many many other things.....we must test this and see what audiences will latch onto. Keep the faith my brothers! And keep the dream alive!

Also I want to wish everyone a wonderful holiday season and good tidings. I also want to wish everyone a safer and more prosperous new year in 2021 and most of all I want extend a very warm welcome back to BigDave again for continuing to keep this community so very alive....Do not ever leave us again BigDave...you gave us all a horrible fright. I do not know what we do with out you and that goes for the rest of you! Hugs and good spirts all around!

Cheers everyone all around!

Kongzilla

ChestbursterMember666 XPDec-14-2020 4:53 AM

BigDave

Exhale. Nobody is going to remove your precious prequels from canon. It's just your imagination based on the sad fear. If you can't sync prequels and TV shows, it doesn't mean that others can't. You calculate years, events, try to connect them and get overthinking, as result.

Plus, there is no conflict with the prequels. There is no evidence that David created an alien.

I can connect any movie with the prequels in one paragraph:

David created a xenomorph, like many before him. But this is not the creation - it is the restoration of the true form of the beast from the black goo into which it was turned. Everyone is capable of this: engineers, androids, humans, others. Neomorphs and others creatures are just hybrid mutants, a soft, wild form of the alien. David didn't create - he recreated a xenomorph.

 

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-14-2020 5:12 AM

Why thanks BlackAnt and indeed hopefully 2021 will be a Much Better year for everyone.

"First of all you never let your most profitable franchises go to television or cable."

I think you could have Expanded Universe as a TV Show but its again would anything that does not RELATE to what the General Public and some Fans would ASSUME that the ALIEN Franchise has to be about which would be the Xenomorph.

"I would never expect to see anything Alien ever again in the theaters"

I think this depends on the Viability of the Franchise its kind of RAN out of Steam a bit, the Prequels let it out the BOX and i am Concerned that Disney will put it back in the BOX, LV-426, Earth... Eggs... YAWN!

But there would be a Market for a STARSHIP Troopers meets ALIEN especially for the Millennials, i think a LOT will depend on WHAT the TV Show is like and if its VERY ALIEN with Xenomorph shown a Fair Amount and a LOT of Running and Screaming and Shooting..

Then if the TV Show kinda Bombs and Sucks then YES it could be UNLIKELY we see a Movie... if the TV Show does WELL then it increases the Chances of a Movie.

Now i DONT own the Franchise i am but ONE small % of the Fanbase, and there is a Market for the Comic like take on the Franchise and IF this is what they FEEL will make the Money then so be it, i could look at the Series as i would with AVP... In that i could consider it as Alternative Canon... HOWEVER... i should NOT go and Write the Show Off just yet.....

I am just Concerned that we would be Confined to LV-426 and Earth and our Eggs which is ok, but i think you can EXPAND beyond that.... which the Prequels showed a Glimmer of what can be done... before... AC and bring back the Xenomorph.. which was DONE in the Wrong way!

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-14-2020 5:47 AM

"Exhale. Nobody is going to remove your precious prequels from canon"

Bit Harsh! but i guess expected.... they are NOT my Precious Prequels and WE DONT know what Direction the Franchise will take NOW....

I do like the Prequels because of HOW it offered us a Expansion Beyond the Seeing the Eggs and Stuff over and over.  Some stuff may have NOT been to every Fans liking but i think if you went back to 2010 and decided you will have NO PREQUEL... and NO SEQUEL to Alien R then its WHERE do you go?  How many times can you have Eggs and Queens before it becomes Repetitive or a Starship Poopers?

What i am Concerned with is HOW the Show could Conflict with Continuity but then the Franchise has NOT really Considered such things much in the Past anyway ;)

Looking at the Movie Franchise (not Novels where between Movies/Cryo-sleep our Ripley went on Adventures).

We had ALIEN..... and the Indication we got was the Company is aware of the Xenomorph but maybe it does-not know a LOT about it.... it Certainly had NOT seemed like they was aware of or Encountered something like the ALIEN like MANY Years before.

With the Prequels... then you would think the After-Math of the Prometheus Mission could maybe had led to someone going to LV-223 and take a Interest and then from THIS they Discover LV-426 and Special Order 937 is Born!

With Alien Covenant and the Advent then we would have to ASSUME that from the Advent could lead to the Events/Information that would lead to Special Order 937.

IF the TV Show is set say within 2030-2080 and we get Xenmorphs on Earth, then this could Conflict a bit, Especially if we have Weyland-Yutani at Play and we get a Fair Share of Xenomorphs vs Military..... 

Because with the Prequels it seemed that by 2090 then the Company and Mankind had NEVER gone and Encountered the Xenomorph or anything related or seen the Derelict or anything related.

IF they go to Retcon the Sequels then they dont have to WORRY about Stepping on the Toes of it..... you see maybe some on Earth had encountered the Xenomorph and Space Jockey Tech prior to ALIEN..  say 60-80 Years prior and then it ENDED with NOTHING to be Had or they ABANDON the Pursuit and BRUSH IT under the Carpet... 

That could work... because its WHAT happened between 2122 and 2179 and then EVEN LONGER between 2180-2380 if you get what i mean?

" There is no evidence that David created an alien."

There is the Indication he had... but we dont have a Conclusion and so someone could TAKE his Work and Finish it off....

"David created a xenomorph, like many before him. But this is not the creation - it is the restoration of the true form"

You could go for that there are some Differences that allow us to Ponder such....  a Example is Davids Xenomorph has Quicker Gestation, its more Organic and is Fully Formed as a Chest Buster... it seems more of a Evolution aside from being more Organic.

I think they should have made his Xenomorph look more Different still..... and have him Explain he has Evolved what the Engineers had Abandoned...   He had said the Xenomorph is his Wolf and the Engineers had Abandoned theirs.. (but that could be the Deacon and Similar).

With Prometheus it was more SIMPLE.... we should have been able to Conclude that the Xenomorph was related to the LV-223 Experiments... it was either a Engineered Outcome of the Black Goo Experiments, a Accidental Outcome or a Natural Evolution of the Pathogen.  But it was also OPEN to Speculate if the Xenomorph was the STARTING POINT ;)

This could be FIXED by having David go and Explain that these Engineers who Seeded Worlds and Evolved them with their DNA had came across something they Admired and saw as Perfection and they attempted to take its Traits to Evolve and Create NEW Life....  but the Uncontrollable Nature of the Beast they tried to Extract its Traits from kept coming through, you cant STOP the EVOLUTION of such Perfection!

The Engineers abandoned their Horrors, trying to take Perfection and Extract it to Evolve/Utilize it and Create other LIFE in its Image.  I have seen the Perfection in what they Feared and Abandoned and i WILL NOT stop until i have Harnessed the Pathogen to Recreate the ORIGINAL BEAST!

Something like that from Davids own Mouth could work.... i know ADF had added kind of similar, well that David found a Egg as it was... but then you got to ask HOW STUPID and WHY would the Engineers keep such a thing?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-14-2020 5:50 AM

"Exhale. Nobody is going to remove your precious prequels from canon"

Bit Harsh! but i guess expected.... they are NOT my Precious Prequels and WE DONT know what Direction the Franchise will take NOW....

I do like the Prequels because of HOW it offered us a Expansion Beyond the Seeing the Eggs and Stuff over and over.  Some stuff may have NOT been to every Fans liking but i think if you went back to 2010 and decided you will have NO PREQUEL... and NO SEQUEL to Alien R then its WHERE do you go?  How many times can you have Eggs and Queens before it becomes Repetitive or a Starship Poopers?

What i am Concerned with is HOW the Show could Conflict with Continuity but then the Franchise has NOT really Considered such things much in the Past anyway ;)

Looking at the Movie Franchise (not Novels where between Movies/Cryo-sleep our Ripley went on Adventures).

We had ALIEN..... and the Indication we got was the Company is aware of the Xenomorph but maybe it does-not know a LOT about it.... it Certainly had NOT seemed like they was aware of or Encountered something like the ALIEN like MANY Years before.

With the Prequels... then you would think the After-Math of the Prometheus Mission could maybe had led to someone going to LV-223 and take a Interest and then from THIS they Discover LV-426 and Special Order 937 is Born!

With Alien Covenant and the Advent then we would have to ASSUME that from the Advent could lead to the Events/Information that would lead to Special Order 937.

IF the TV Show is set say within 2030-2080 and we get Xenmorphs on Earth, then this could Conflict a bit, Especially if we have Weyland-Yutani at Play and we get a Fair Share of Xenomorphs vs Military..... 

Because with the Prequels it seemed that by 2090 then the Company and Mankind had NEVER gone and Encountered the Xenomorph or anything related or seen the Derelict or anything related.

IF they go to Retcon the Sequels then they dont have to WORRY about Stepping on the Toes of it..... you see maybe some on Earth had encountered the Xenomorph and Space Jockey Tech prior to ALIEN..  say 60-80 Years prior and then it ENDED with NOTHING to be Had or they ABANDON the Pursuit and BRUSH IT under the Carpet... 

That could work... because its WHAT happened between 2122 and 2179 and then EVEN LONGER between 2180-2380 if you get what i mean?

" There is no evidence that David created an alien."

There is the Indication he had... but we dont have a Conclusion and so someone could TAKE his Work and Finish it off....

"David created a xenomorph, like many before him. But this is not the creation - it is the restoration of the true form"

You could go for that there are some Differences that allow us to Ponder such....  a Example is Davids Xenomorph has Quicker Gestation, its more Organic and is Fully Formed as a Chest Buster... it seems more of a Evolution aside from being more Organic.

I think they should have made his Xenomorph look more Different still..... and have him Explain he has Evolved what the Engineers had Abandoned...   He had said the Xenomorph is his Wolf and the Engineers had Abandoned theirs.. (but that could be the Deacon and Similar).

With Prometheus it was more SIMPLE.... we should have been able to Conclude that the Xenomorph was related to the LV-223 Experiments... it was either a Engineered Outcome of the Black Goo Experiments, a Accidental Outcome or a Natural Evolution of the Pathogen.  But it was also OPEN to Speculate if the Xenomorph was the STARTING POINT ;)

This could be FIXED by having David go and Explain that these Engineers who Seeded Worlds and Evolved them with their DNA had came across something they Admired and saw as Perfection and they attempted to take its Traits to Evolve and Create NEW Life....  but the Uncontrollable Nature of the Beast they tried to Extract its Traits from kept coming through, you cant STOP the EVOLUTION of such Perfection!

The Engineers abandoned their Horrors, trying to take Perfection and Extract it to Evolve/Utilize it and Create other LIFE in its Image.  I have seen the Perfection in what they Feared and Abandoned and i WILL NOT stop until i have Harnessed the Pathogen to Recreate the ORIGINAL BEAST!

Something like that from Davids own Mouth could work.... i know ADF had added kind of similar, well that David found a Egg as it was... but then you got to ask HOW STUPID and WHY would the Engineers keep such a thing?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Kongzilla

ChestbursterMember666 XPDec-14-2020 6:03 AM

In case you haven't noticed, David is a pathological liar and ignorant with disproportionate pride.

I also think that we cannot take additional material on a serious note, like Advent. It is not a part of the film and is comparable to the mention of LV-426 in the additional materials to Prometheus. Yes, it looks interesting and intriguing, but nothing more.

 

>>>but then you got to ask HOW STUPID and WHY would the Engineers keep such a thing?

It looks like they were naive. In the end, they didn't bother to protect their home.

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-14-2020 6:30 AM

"Yes, it looks interesting and intriguing, but nothing more"

I think the same applies to other Material though, Novels (where Parts are Different to the Movie) the Commentary and Comments by Director etc.

As INDEED things Shown in the Movie are what STAY and with Continuation then things can be CHANGED. I think its Better to have some kind of Continuity but that USUALLY goes out the Window a bit with each Director and Writer.....  I wonder WHAT was in that 10 Page ALIEN Rulebook and HOW MUCH of that would be Considered... but as i said ANYTHING can be Subject to Change... or even Rebooted.

"It looks like they were naive. In the end, they didn't bother to protect their home."

Again thats a Good Point... i have always brought this UP in Regards to the Engineers the ONLY real Explanation i have is that they were so ARROGANT and NAIVE in that they FELT as they was the Creators, then ANY of the Worlds they Seed, Evolve and Visit would NOT be where they are without the Engineers and so WHEN they Abandoned us they likely thought we would REMAIN the same as we was 2000+ Years ago and THUS we are NOT a Threat.

But with the Egg... well thats taking it to STUPID... but this is a addition by ADF and not much Afterthought was given!

If we was to CHOOSE to take that Explanation it would be BETTER to be Expanded on that the Engineers not only KEPT their Knowledge in the Cathedral but that some Parts are like a Museum of Sorts...  where they SAFELY have Various Life Forms contained within Protective Glass or likely that are DEAD!

A Place with their History..... where they would take things like a Egg thats deemed Dead to Store and Show as Part of their History.....

something that David could come across and be Curious, he Notices some Connection to LV-223 and he Discovers what it was and using the BLACK GOO he is able to Extract DNA to then Recreate it...

That could work... having a Explanation like that is more LIKELY than the Engineers would just leave LIVE EGGS just Lying about on their so called HOME-WORLD.

I dont think any of this matters much, i feel in 3-5 Years the Prequels will be MOOT as i think the Direction of the TV Series and any Future Movies will IGNORE the Prequels like they NEVER had Existed.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Kongzilla

ChestbursterMember666 XPDec-14-2020 6:42 AM

Who is talking about live eggs? The engineers kept the dead. David found them, extracted the DNA, and modified them.

About the storage of live eggs - I don't think ovomorphs would have survived for so many years, thousands of years. They would be dead anyway. In any case, there is no danger for engineers.

 

Do people know how to safely use mercury lamps and thermometers? Many people also live close to predators and poisonous creatures - and that's okay. There is the same situation. In general, I do not see anything strange even in living eggs in the home of engineers.

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-14-2020 7:54 AM

"The engineers kept the dead. David found them, extracted the DNA"

Well i would have to agree if we take it from the NOVEL that the Egg in Question was Found as it was... but then David had said it was Aggressive to thats OPEN to Interpretation.

" I don't think ovomorphs would have survived for so many years"

Well again this Depends on IF we are going to look at and ACCEPT that those Eggs on the Derelict had NEVER been there or Existed prior to Alien Covenant etc.

"In general, I do not see anything strange even in living eggs in the home of engineers"

Well the Xenomorphs is NOT quite the same as some Predators on Earth, it also depends on IF we are looking at a Engineered Killing Machine or some Organism that had been taken from some World to use for Experiments or to be USED as Bio-Logical Warfare.

I think if Planet 4 had Eggs then i dont think the Engineers would BUILD their Homes so Close to them.  We are informed the Engineers had LV-223 likely as they would NOT be so Foolish to Store and Experiment with the Black Goo on their Home-world and i would ASSUME the same would apply to the Xenomorph.

In Context to the TV Series then i dont think any of that would have any Relevance anyway.....  apart from it will get us to GO..... oh! so we have Xenomorphs on the Rampage in 2030-2080 lets say, and so then we go... WELL THATS PROVED that David is NOT the Creator...

I feel that Disney would want to Distance away from the Prequels and i think they would be REMOVED as Canon, but then i think Eventually they are going to have to Answers the Origins and WHO was the Space Jockey...   Lets HOPE that IF this is the Case they do something that can OPEN THE BOX of the Franchise again... instead of KEEP IT INSIDE....

Only Time will tell.... I just HOPE we dont get a AVPR without the Predators.... but you can see that such a PLOT (on Earth say 2025-2050) means Less/No Space Technology and Advanced Weapons which means its  Cheaper for the Budget.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Kongzilla

ChestbursterMember666 XPDec-14-2020 8:09 AM

>>>its  Cheaper for the Budget.

This is definitely true. But if we talk about TV shows, they are in any case cheaper than films. It doesn't matter - fantastic decorations or ordinary ones.

>>>I feel that Disney would want to Distance away from the Prequels and i think they would be REMOVED as Canon

So far, so what they say - it is not. They are not going to give up any properties. Plus, new comics about Alien have just been announced, but there are already plans for engineers.

As I said earlier - "It's just your imagination based on the sad fear." Perhaps you are subconsciously not sure about the prequels and recorded them in "lepers". But studios don't think so.

Yes, obviously there are a few things in there needing adjustment and soft-retcon about lore. But didn't Ridley Scott do the same with the Covenant in relation to Prometheus?

 

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3047 XPDec-14-2020 3:46 PM

I got to agree with BigDave on this one. It's highly likely Disney will ignore the prequels. My case in point is Star Wars. If you go back to "The Journey to The Force Awakens" Disney's whole advertising campaign was about making sure it was more like the movies everyone loved meaning the original trilogy. We're five years past that movie and 5 Star Wars films since. Yes the prequels have most certainly seen a resurgence in popularity among the fanbase thanks to the extremely divided response to these sequels as well as the success of Clone Wars season 7. Not to mention The Mandalorian continuing to reveal significant ties. For the most part though they are STILL neglected and ignored by Disney with very little marketing material based around them. Disney is still in "base everything in and around the original trilogy" mode. I can go anywhere and see the same images of characters first introduced 40 years ago on everything. And if it isn't Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, or Darth Vader on everything its Mandalorian characters. I don't see Anakin, Ewan McGregor's Obi Wan, Padme, General Grievous etc nearly as much. Even allThe new games steer clear of the era. They're only being acknowledged because people like Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau cared more about George's vision than Disney who only ever wanted money and played it safe as possible.

Star Wars remains an example of what to possibly expect from their handling of Alien. If Disney still cares very little about doing Star Wars prequel tie ins or even merchandise, then they definitely won't have any problems ignoring Ridley Scott's already unpopular prequels. 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-15-2020 3:29 AM

"They are not going to give up any properties"

I think Certainly they would Explore things from the Prequels in Terms of other Medium, but i do think in regards to Theatrically then i SUSPECT they may choose to at LEAST go and Ignore the Prequels (at least AC maybe) by Ignore maybe they will just NOT go and Connect rather than to DISPEL them.

Ridley Scott seemed to Indicate its Unlikely that Disney would Continue with anything related to the Prequels, so for me its  CONCERN.... but i agree that this does-not mean that the Prequels will be Removed from Canon...  Only TIME will tell on that Front.

For me i think that in Part then YES the Prequels are Flawed but for me what i liked was they tried to OPEN UP the Franchise and take it out of the BOX it has been Stuck in Theatrically because i think there is ONLY so much you can do regarding Humans vs Xenomorphs, if things are NOT really changed a bit from what we have already seen..

"But didn't Ridley Scott do the same with the Covenant in relation to Prometheus?"

Indeed thats kind of what i said earlier well it was what i mean, in that EACH time we get a New Movie we get Changes and each Director/Writer would put their own SPIN on it and maybe NOT consider how it Effects the other Movies.

I think some things are NOT so much a Conflict or Contradiction and so with Prometheus the MAIN thing that is Inconsistent would be the Aesthetic and Scale of the Engineers/Ships.  Compared to the Space Jockey and Derelict.

I think that Alien Covenant was more Guilty of Treading on  the Toes of ALIEN if you would by Virtue that IF the intended route was that without the Experiments that David had Conducted on Planet 4 then there would be NOTHING on LV-426.  Which i think Conflicts with ALIEN by Virtue of that the Derelict etc does-not look like its been Sitting on LV-426 for like Less than 10-20 Years.

So on BOTH of those accounts it seemed that RS was NOT to Concerned with HOW they would NOT seem to FIT with what we saw in ALIEN.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-15-2020 3:52 AM

To Continue....

In Context to the TV Show the Concern i have with Conflicting with the Franchise is that i GOT the Impression that in 2122 the Company did-not have much Information on the Xenomorph, it Certainly did-not seem like it was something that they was Aware of for like 10+ Years prior to ALIEN.

And so for me its a case of WHEN are they going to SET the TV Show, and WHERE do they Encounter the Xenomorph and in WHAT level of Exposure?

Because it seemed with ALIEN the Company/Mankind was NOT really aware of the Xenomorph, well what Contact and Information they had it appeared would have been Scarce and Recent. (like up to 10 Years) with the Prequels then this Changes somewhat.... to like about 20 Years

I can However Understand the Setting if this is the Case, a Predator Movie like Predator 2 and The Predator is Cheaper to make set in the Current Time Period than say in a FUTURISTIC EARTH say in 2100-2200.

This is WHY say AVPR was NOT going to be too Expensive Compared to say being set on a ALIEN WORLD, or in Space etc.

Well i am HOPEFUL the TV Show would NOT be as AWFUL as AVPR was lol

so the BIG QUESTIONS have to be the Following.

1) When is the TV Show Set? 2030-290?

2) How and WHERE do they Encounter the Xenomorph?

3) What would be the AFTERMATH?, surely Years after we MUST see a Loss of the Specimen and a Cover Up?

@ninXeno426

some Good Points... i do think the TV shows with Star Wars do HELP to Expand the Franchise, but we need to remember that ALIEN is more Limited.  With Star Wars you have MANY WORLDS and Races and a Long Time Line to explore.

With ALIEN of we IGNORE the Prequels then we have like a 100 Year Window... up to 300 Leading to Alien R and we are LEFT with LV-426 and with that being BUST then it appears (Theatrically) that this leaves the Company with NOTHING... until the USM go and Clone Ripley.

so if your going to keep it to Earth/LV-426 then you may END UP with Incontinuity and Conflicts with the Franchise.   Which is WHY i think the Prequels had LET the Franchise out of the BOX that Theatrically it was STUCK IN.

There is more to Explore in the Franchise than Xenomorphs but it comes down to IF it would be Accepted as a ALIEN Franchise if we have NONE!

What i am Saying is the Mandalorian may NOT be about the Skywalkers... but in Context to ALIEN thats really like removing RIPLEY...  it may NOT be too Heavy on the FORCE etc.

But with ALIEN its a case of for some and the Casual Viewer then if you remove the ALIEN (Xenomorph) then you dont have a ALIEN Franchise.  To me the Prequels had OPENED UP that their is Potentially a LOT out there that is ALIEN

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3047 XPDec-15-2020 4:27 AM

Again I agree. I'm more interested in exploring Alien mythology than I am yet another story about Weyland Yutani trying and ultimately failing to obtain the xenomorph. Just depends on what Disney thinks is more viable.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-15-2020 5:39 AM

I think exploring the Mythology is Interesting and EVENTUALLY its where you may have to go... even if we have a REBOOT on our Hands.

The Prequels had began to do this, but not so much Regarding our Xenomorph... what  kind of Mythology is there about this Beast... or is it merely a Engineered Weapon/Bi-Product from something GREATER?

I think eventually you would have to introduce the Space Jockey/Engineer as far as MORE about them but again this is TRICKY to do, Certainly a WAR OF THE WORLDS if its to be around Earth and NOT to Conflict with the Franchise.  I think the Prequels had OPENED the Door.

To me a Concern i have with the TV Show is...  "ok guys we gonna go and make a ALIEN TV Show, but we may be on a Budget"

No Problem... "If we make it on Earth and in the Not too Distant Future we would NOT need to Spend as much on Effects etc"

Ok...and HOW do we introduce the Xenomorph "if we have a Set Up First and Slowly introduce it after a Few Episodes and keep it to the Dark like ALIEN, then the last Few Closing Episodes we can UNLEASH more of them and we USE our Budget Saved for those Action and Alien scenes"

My concern is the TIME-LINE but i Understand that a Earth Circa say 2030-2040 would be FAR Cheaper than a Futuristic Earth say in 2150-2200

But then maybe the Discovery would be like AVP (swap Temple for Buried ALIEN Outpost or ALIEN Sunken Ship) minus the Predators... and then when the Xenomorphs Break Out of Containment/Storage then will it be like AVPR without the Predators?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Kongzilla

ChestbursterMember666 XPDec-15-2020 5:49 AM

You are not worried about the timeline between Prometheus/Covenant and Alien. But you're worried about the TV show timeline. Why?

Trying to calculate budget and time is a bit absurd, and if you are not involved in the project, then you are just doing overthinking. As I said earlier, an experienced writer can easily put things together and explain.

 

I also don’t know what kind of conflict you are talking about?

The things that gave us the prequels are not complete and, frankly, look liquid - all the knowledge of Prometheus/Covenant can be interpreted as you like without conflicts with other films, works.

setaverde

FacehuggerMember295 XPDec-15-2020 10:58 AM

Finally, good news in 2020.

I hope we all Stay Alive to watch this TV show. 

https://youtu.be/9DPCn1Rev-I

Perhaps, the new company on earth is the CON-AM company of the 1981 movie "Outland", starred by Sir Sean Connery.

https://youtu.be/kWD3FD8mpPE

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3047 XPDec-15-2020 12:30 PM

 Right on the money Setavarde. I used Outland as an example last year. Check this out.

https://www.scified.com/topic/48402

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPDec-15-2020 1:56 PM

I see it a bit like BlackAnt does. Put it out there on HULU and mix it up. Give us the xeno, Marines, engineers, etc. I basically said as much a year ago: streaming is the way to go. Let HULU throw it at the wall and see what sticks. If I don't like it, I will quit watching. Simple as that.

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-16-2020 7:41 AM

"You are not worried about the timeline between Prometheus/Covenant and Alien. But you're worried about the TV show timeline. Why?"

Good Point... i will agree that Prometheus and Covenant have NOT so much caused a Conflict but more so it has left a LOT of Loose Ends.. Certainly, especially in regards to WHY BOTHER with LV-426 and then NOT after the Nostromo Mission when you have LV-223 and Planet 4 and WHO KNOWS where else David and his Experiments would END UP.

So yes the Prequels do kind of Effect and Raise Questions regarding ALIEN.

The Concerns with the TV Show are NOT really so much that IF we get our Classic or Aliens Xenomorph then it would make it UNLIKELY that David was the Creator (we had discussed HOW this could work if the Pathogen in Time and Cir***stances could REVERT back to Pure Xeno-Strain).

It was MAINLY in how having Xenomorphs on Earth before we have ALIEN is something that would Step on the Toes a little in regards to it seemed that W-Y in say 2100-2120 had NOT known much about the Xenomorph that lead to Special Order 937 (But with AC that could lead to them knowing a BIT MORE) because it seemed they knew something in ALIEN but its NOT like they knew a LOT or had been able to Study the Organism... which is WHY they wanted it.

I find it Unnecessary to go for such a PLOT... however when you are looking at the Fall Out of Alien Covenant and the Current Pandemic then to go and Spend BIG on a Box Office Movie is a RISK.... and so a TV Show with maybe Budget Restrictions to PLAY IT SAFER

And so from a Financial POV then having a PLOT that is SET on Earth and some time before the ALIEN  Franchise does mean that you would NOT need as BIG a Budget for Futuristic Technology, Space Ships and Cities etc...  Also a Lack of Advanced Tech would mean a Conflict with the Xenomorph makes Mankind have a even Lesser Hand to Play... the Chips would be Stacked more against them... than if the Xenomorphs had been up against Military Might of Earth say in 2200.

so i can see WHY this makes sense for Disney, it also would maybe ATTRACT a New Audience to the Franchise.

"As I said earlier, an experienced writer can easily put things together and explain"

I have to agree if they have a Good Writer who Considers any Potential Conflict (We cant cant Xenomorphs and Engineers Rocking up in New York Circa 2040).  Then yes some Clever and well thought Writing could give us a WAY to have the Xenomorph and NOT cause a Conflict.

I have been thinking and have to NOT look at the Worse Case which could be AVPR like...  and so if we take the Independence Day Plot.... this reveals in Context to that Movie that the 1947 Roswell Incident and Area 51 are Connected to the ALIEN INVASION that comes in 1996.

But most people are NOT aware of this Alien Species until the Mass Invasion in 1996.  And so what i am getting at is that YES with Clever and Careful writing then they could have a PLOT where we had Encountered the Xenomorph before on a SMALL SCALE and that in the Aftermath, they Abandon what they was doing and COVER IT UP and Brush it Under the Carpet.

When you think about that then the FURTHER back from ALIEN that you go, then maybe the More Likely and Plausible that Evidence and Records of the EVENT would become LOST.... (well Buried) so to speak.

And so i have to think Positive and with the Right Writer then YES it could work..... if we have some TEAM that Discovers something, and its Brought to a like Area 51 type Secret Base, maybe FAR FAR from Civilization or a Remote Area..... then $£%£$ HITS THE FAN!

But in the END its Contained and maybe as Janek said... they NUKE the Outpost/Area and then COVER IT UP.  That would work ;) 

And Last Night i even had a IDEA to HOW they could do it and Change things a Little than Generic Egg. (but something VERY similar to our Xenomorph will Appear/Feature).

Regarding BUDGET and Speculation then YES we cant be sure as ONLY those working on the Project would know, i HOWEVER cant see it being Massive.... so NO like The Mandalorian and i DOUBT it would be like Star Trek Discovery (maybe a Few Episodes could hit the $8M mark).

But thats merely Speculation... i dont know what the Budget will be, but REGARDLESS.... i think that having a Earth in say 2030-2050 Plot means LESS SPEND on Certain things which means MORE MONEY for the Actual Monsters/Aliens and odd ALIEN Ship/Outpost Scenes ;)

So i think i Need to have some Faith... and if its a Flop, well i guess i can just Pretend it was a Alternative Universe lol  But HOPEFULLY it will do well, even IF the Plot is NOT something that would be for me....  they DONT and should NOT go make a TV Show to Please the Few ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-16-2020 8:00 AM

" Give us the xeno, Marines, engineers, etc. I basically said as much a year ago: streaming is the way to go"

I am Disappointed in you DK ;)

But then such Popcorn ;) could work if we had it set say 50 Years after ALIENS... but say prior to 2100 then Gosh No! lol 

There is a WAY for a WAR OF THE WORLDS... but i dont think most the Writers they had can THINK OUTSIDE the Box!    Prometheus had opened the Door to the Galaxy showing we are NOT alone... and WHO is to say that the Earth is the ONLY Place where Mankind Live in Context to say RIGHT NOW in Context to the Franchise that is... But if we gonna go all Independence Day then unless we are to REMOVE say Alien Resurrection as Canon.... then such a Plot would be BEST to be surely after 2200 and ideally after 2400 ;)  The Earth is Recovering from Disaster... its a MESS....... USM most likely wanted the Xenomorph to USE as a Weapon to Turn the Tide/Gain Control for a Specific Faction...

And just when the Earth is in Ruin in many Places... then the ENGINEERS go and ROCK UP...   this route i would take.

I will submit later HOW i would go about the TV Show and maybe i am NOT that FAR OFF what we could get... as i be Busy in a bit.... but here are a Few Episode Names.. in Random Order.

Leviathan, Daedalus Down, Dreadnaught, The Cecaelias, Awakening....  thats 5 of the First 6 but in a Random Order ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPDec-16-2020 2:44 PM

HULU would do well by basically making Alien universe shorts like IGN did to start with. See what the viewer reception is like before investing and diving into something almost no one will like.

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-16-2020 4:05 PM

ok guys i had thought about HOW you could do a ALIEN Series in the NOT to Distant Time-Line...  here is the Rough Synopsis and Name for the First 6 Episodes.... after the 5th is where it begins to become something more Familiar with our Beast from ALIEN.

The Broad Synopsis is in 2047 after the Loss of Project Daedalus a Search and Rescue Team go looking in the Bermuda Triangle for the Wreckage of the USARC Daedalus but what they Discover is Truly out of this WORLD.  The Team Accidentally Awaken a Starbeast from its Slumber.

EP01: Daedalus Down

In 2047 the Experimental USARC Daedalus is due to make its Return Trip from the SUN, a Ship that OPENS UP the Possibility of Interstellar Travel to become a Reality.  On re-entry to Earth the Ship suffers a Malfunction and heads towards the Bermuda Triangle where it Disappears.

The United States Astronomical Research Corporation goes to dispatch a Salvage Team to go to where the Last Signal from the Daedalus in the Hope of recovering the Valuable Ship and its Data.

EP02: Leviathan

A Deep Sea Salvage Team are sent to the Last known Coordinates of the Downed Interstellar USARC Daedalus.  Where they Fail to locate where the Starship could have Landed, but they Detect something else as they close in on what their Sensors Detect as a Large Object, it becomes Apparent they have Discovered something HUGE that is Partially Buried at the Bottom of the Sea.

EP03: Awakening

After Surveying the Wreckage and having trouble contacting HQ the Salvage Teams Leader gives the Order to go and Investigate. A Team of Three go down in a DSSRV (Deep Sea Salvage and Reconnaissance Vehicle).  As they Probe the ALIEN looking Wreckage (has a Familiar Aesthetic to us) they Discover what looks like a Entrance and they make there way inside.

Inside they are in awe at what they see, a Construction that is Nothing like what they have seen before, Bonelike Architecture/Construction that looks somewhat Mechanical and somewhat Organic.  One of the Team wants to Head Back as they dont know what they are Dealing with but the 2nd in Command says they have a Job to do and they Continue to Explore.

EP03: Awakening

The USARC manage to Contact the Salvage Ship Charon about the Progress of the Search but the Ships Captain/Team Leader decides to say they have yet to Find anything and LIE about the Discovery of the Buried Wreckage they Found so they can keep it to themselves for a while and Claim Salvage Rights.

Meanwhile the Team that went down to Explore the Sunken Leviathan continue their Exploration, until they seem to Activate some Door that OPENS... after they Notice some Hieroglyphs and Cuneiform and go close for a Study.  They then go down a Passage where the Ship has been Sealed from Water, but it soon Starts to Fill.

They detect the Inside of the Ship has Oxygen Levels, but then as they go to Explore they detect some Faint CO2 and Notice a Strange Green Mist that  has a Illuminated Glow.

One of the Team Proceeds ahead while the others Wait back in Caution, saying that maybe they should get out, as the Water is coming in Fast. The Team Member who had gone to Investigate the Mist, takes a look at the Section Covered in the Mist, and Notices something... strange like Cocoons, he says that he has seen something that look like Strange Fruit, like a Coconut, then he slips on a Surface that has became WET with the Water and Falls into the Mist.

Upon Close Inspection these are NOT like Coconuts they are Strange Cocoon like Pods, a Brownish Green.  As the Team Member gets up he places his Hand and Touches one and then Notices his Hands kind of Sink into its Flesh and leaves a Imprint.   As he Calls out to the others to come and take a Look, he takes his Eye Off the Prize and then all of a Sudden it OPENS and some kind of Cephalopod looking Organism  it Latches onto his Face Plate and he Struggles with the Creature, has he Climbs out of the Pit, he Falls to the Floor.    The other Team Rush to him and Discover the Organism has somehow managed to make a Hole in his Helmets Visor.

The remaining Team Members Discus/Argue over what to do, the One Member says look we Need his Helmet in Tact as it has Recordings of our Search, this Place is Filling with Water Fast and could make a 2nd Reconnaissance more Difficult.  They Notice that his LIFE SIGNS are Fine and see the Cephalopod  looking Creature Pulsating/Breathing.

What have they AWAKENED?

The Team Manage to get the Victim back to the DSSRV and Head to the Surface.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-16-2020 4:27 PM

Well Guys thats the Rough Synopsis for the First Three Episodes its just a Basic Pitch so Needs Fleshing Out with Character Names etc... the Idea is a Slow Build Up we can gain some Background on Characters and Parties at Play.

I have the Rough Pitch for the First 6 Episodes its the 7th when the USARC are involved and then they go and take a Specimen to a Secret Base, the Survivors of the Salvage Ship Charon refuse to give Details of where they had their Encounter.... but another Salvage Team in Future will Discover the Wreckage of the Charon

The Next 3 Episodes are... (and i will explain them latter).

EP04 The Cecaelias
EP05 Hystera
EP06 Dreadnaught

However the Dreadnaught may be Moved a Few Latter like 7th or 8th...  Idea is for 10-12 Episodes 

Regarding the Beast.... well it makes its Appearance in EP4 and maybe this would have to be a 2 Part or the 2nd Part given a Different Name as the Beast Ravages the Salvage Ship before it is Sunk...  This Beast is NOT the same as the Xenomorph... but YES it will try and Egg Morph its Victims.

The Egg Morphs i am thinking that ONE maybe Taken to a USARC Research Ship the Beast from this would be a LITTLE different to the Beast from the Spores/Pods.

But there would also be another Beast that is Gestating in a Survivor of the Charon Salvage Ship.. something thats more like our Xenomorph.

With EP03 Awakening i am Considering that its a Tremor that causes the Team Member to Fall into the Pit of Pods.  This can be USED as a  Plot Device to have the Leviathan/Dreadnaught sink into a Chasm.

Which could make me Rename EP06 Dreadnaught to something else as it is the Conclusion that the Sunken ALIEN Ship carries a Dreaded Cargo.. but it may stay... but i think that the Exploration again of the Dreadnaught  is maybe there to Explore in a Season Two ;)

"Alien universe shorts like IGN"

Ideally this is what i would have DONE.. take Elements of the BEST of them, and Expand to make a 6-10 Episode Story set say between 2150-2200

EDIT

Looking at some Concepts from the Prequels and some Work also done by Neville Page i could imagine a Amalgamation that could Produce something like this for The Cecaelias

 

PS i apologize if this is Going Off Topic... i may take these Ideas to a New Topic if thats Easier.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1540 XPDec-17-2020 3:41 AM

“By blending both the timeless horror of the first Alien film with the non-stop action of the second, it’s going to be a scary thrill ride that will blow people back in their seats.”

I'm afraid that it will be like when Scott said that Alien Covenant would scare the crap out of people, which was an exaggeration. They need a good story and characters to get that right and focus on the human experience. A good point seems to be that they will not focus on some android-garbage.

Alien-things usually get the surroundings right, so I'm not worried about that. AVPR is an exception because it's crap. Even the surroundings in AR is alright but that can't save the movie from being a parody.

Keep the monsters in the dark, you know that it's there but you don't know where. It's almost like when you're a kid and go down in the basement, you're afraid of things but you can't see where they are so you make things up in your head.

Will it be the best since Alien 3? Maybe but I doubt it, at least I hope that it will be better that we have seen coming after 1992. Don't get your hopes too high is my point or else you'll likely be disappointed.

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1540 XPDec-17-2020 3:44 AM

NinXeno426:

You can look at old comics as one of the things to find inspiration from but you can look around for other things also. People can look up to political figures to find inspiration from and the same goes for material to movies. Be open to different ideas, combine them and make your own version but don't make a copy of something that is old.

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1540 XPDec-17-2020 3:45 AM

BD:

I can do fine without Xenos as long as the story and the characters are well done. The Xenos and military seems like a copy of Aliens even though it hasn't got to be the case. Hopefully it won't be some nostalgia just to play safe (like they know that Aliens did great so they'll try to repeat it, that would be lazy). You could have Aliens and guns but take it into some other direction, just because movies have things in common doesn’t mean that they are the same.

Having it on earth reminds me of the Eric Red story, it didn't seem too interesting and we also got AVPR. By having it on some other planet the environment is alien as in unknown, I think that you'll need that.

“25-75 Years before ALIEN then thats going to Contradict the First Movie and the Prequels”

Not if it's made like a what-if kind of thing. It could be an alternate time-line, that could work. Making it contradict the first movie would be bad, not as concerned about the prequels though because they are not very good but they have their fans. About your list I would go with 1 or two. Retcon things, the only thing that I am worried that they would retcon is the first three movies because I’m not sure how any of them would be improved. Stay away from Alien 1-3.

“(If it leads to the Company had Created the Xenomorph).”

Oh hell no! Having David being responsible for it is bad enough but having it being a direct result by humans would be even worse. I want the beginning of it to not be a result of human activity, directly or indirectly which is why the Engineers making it is a good idea.

The prequels have some good things like the world-building, new monsters, the black goo, and the Engineers. What they didn't suceed with was the characters in general and who was responsible for the Xeno.

“when you look at the WHOLE FRANCHISE you can see we are looking at Corporate Greed, Personal Gain, Indications of Corporate Rivalry, CREATION and the Hubris of doing this... Experimenting to Create/Engineer something and the Hubris/Hazard of such!”

This, I would like to see new life-forms, new worlds, maybe new companies, new characters that are well-written and well-executed. You can have more than Ripley and Xenos is my point.

You can have about genetic stuff, the marines and warfare, corporations, and so on. Not sure if it would be about androids a lot, Covenant made me lose interest in that but you can have it as a small part of the story.

What if science is used for bad purposes, this is what the goo can be seen as partially, but you can make other things by using the same theme. You need more than interesting themes for it to work, you need a story and the characters. Ideas are not enough, which the prequels show - interesting ideas, poor result.

I won't bother with what kind of world that David would create, I'm done with him being the main-point. Throw it away and make something new with characters that I can support. You can have interesting ideas but the story and characters got to work. Prometheus and Covenant had interesting ideas and the stories were not totally wrong but the focus and the human characters were mostly wrong (they are mixed bags) and that's why we have what we have.

A TV-series could be a good thing but once again story and characters. Even the Xenos isn't what it should be about. The Xenos should be kept to just some scenes if you ask me.

“Have they got a Movie in the Works?”

With the pandemic going on? Who knows? I could do good with fewer effects if they get the story and characters right. They have many effects in the Transformer-movies and they are what they are.

I wouldn't mind if they would go beyond the Xenos but what I want and what most people into the franchise want might be different things maybe.

Corporate ****ery is a part of the franchise so that could be brought up at least in part. We don't have to stick with WY, we can have something new but not anything that exists in real life but something like a symbol for what's real.

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3047 XPDec-17-2020 4:53 AM

Thoughts_Dreams: Fair enough. My issue with the comics is many people I talk to want a straight adaptation with Hicks Newt and Ripley as they were in those comics. Goes without saying they're all Cameron fan boys that hate 3. Aliens is my personal fave but I also love 3 and accept it's decisions. As for comics I wouldn't a story in the vein of Aliens Defiance. It had a great story, characters, and good balance of action and horror. Its right up there with Isolation for being one of the better Alien stories I encountered in the past decade.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

BigDave

DeaconMember10189 XPDec-17-2020 5:57 AM

@Thoughts_Dreams

Again you touch upon Good Points....

Personally i think the Biggest Problem with the Franchise is also what was its Biggest Draw....   The General/Casual Viewers will ASSOCIATE the ALIEN Franchise with the Xenomorph/Queen, Ripley and then Colonial Marines (also Weyland-Yutani are) i am NOT sure many would paid Attention to the Derelict/Space Jockey.  The same goes with a Proportion of the Fanbase.

So when you think ALIEN then the thing that Pops into your Mind would be Eggs, Face Huggers, Chest Busters and Xenomorphs and then our Heroine Ripley.

When you are at a Cross-Roads on what to do Next (which we reached before the Prequels and was given AVP instead of a Alien V) then its WHERE do you go NEXT... and you can REMOVE say Ripley... even dont be Tempted to give us Ripleys Grandfather, Father etc etc... Need NO Connection at all.

But you do get some who NEED/WANT to see little Connections, so say if you got a movie set after ALIENS where you had Hicks Brother or Son in Search of WHAT had Happened to their Family Member then that is something that SOME would like to see as it gives a Connection to the Beloved Character and a Plot for WHY they would be out looking....  and ALIEN Isolation had Pulled this same kind of PLOT.

But i dont think you NEED to Connect to Previous Characters, likewise you dont have to have Weyland-Yutani (as Alien R never did).

But the ONE thing that is SYNONYMOUS with the Franchise is the ALIEN the Xenomorph.... ALIEN was Alien because it had the ALIEN (Xenomorph), ALIENS was Aliens because it had more than ONE (Xenomorph) and ALIEN 3 because it had Three (Joke)..... 

But my point being that a ALIEN: Prefix is Expected to have the Xenomorph.....  EVERY MOVIE that has the Prefix has the Xenomorph in some Shape/Form....  The Exception was PROMETHEUS and they Dropped the ALIEN: Prefix because they was attempting to make a Connected Movie that is SET in the same Universe but it would NOT go and Contain the ALIEN (Xenomorph) or connect to ALIEN (Movie).

And so the ALIEN Brand Name becomes a Double Edged Sword because IF you are going to make a TV Show that would NOT be Connected to the Xenomorph...  Then you loose some Brand Recognition... go and ask 1000 Random People have you heard of Prometheus and even show them the DVD Cover and your going to get a LOT who would NOT be Familiar with it, or that its within the ALIEN Universe.   And so the ALIEN Prefix would HELP to get that Recognition/Marketing but along with having the Prefix then the Expectation that it should have the ALIEN would be expected by some... if NOT then you would have the Casual Viewer be like "HOW was that a ALIEN TV Show" and some Fans be like "Where the Feck was the ALIEN"

Even if you called it Weyland Yutani: Building Better Worlds then NOT everyone will know how its Connected and WHEN its pointed out they may be like oh "so where is the ALIEN"

A Colonial Marines TV Show may be Recognized more, but again it may Carry the Expectation of "where did the ALIEN go"

so the Franchise is Shackled with the ALIEN Name its what makes it Stand Out as its a recognized Brand but then it will Carry the Expectation of having the Xenomorph for MOST of the People. (by that inc Casual Viewers).

The Prequels with Prometheus had OPENED UP the Franchise, because we could look at ALIEN as being something that was TRULY ALIEN.. so those EGGS are ALIEN but then so was that SHIP, the PILOT.... and so when Expand on them, even with the Engineers then they are ALIEN and the Plot Opens it up to MANY Worlds, and MANY Species/Creatures and as they are NOT from Earth then they are ALIEN.... the Galaxy is ALIEN.

One Downfall of Prometheus was that the Creatures/Monsters it did-show maybe did-not have enough of a Connection to the Xenomorph and we NEVER really had a Relatable Monster given enough Screen Time... something which Alien: Engineers had much more of..

So when you are going to do a ALIEN Movie/TV Show and Especially with the Prefix then you would be Expected to have something they can RELATE to either those Eggs/Xenomorph or the Space Jockey/Engineers.  But that does-not mean a Carbon Copy just something Familiar.

Anyway i will Copy my Pitch to a New Topic and make some Changes.... my Idea would have also tried to UPLIFT the Xenomorph, especially with the Episode: Incubus

So that it has its Own Topic to NOT go and Distract from the Official News/Story of the ALIEN TV SHOW.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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