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Language of the Gods

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BigDave

MemberDeaconJun-19-2018 5:36 PM

I would like to Start a Topic were we can Discus the Engineers Language, mainly Focusing on the WRITTEN Cuneiform/Hieroglyphs of the Engineers.

While there seems to be THREE kinds of Cuneiform/Hieroglyphs  we have seen in PROMETHEUS, the release of ALIEN: COVENANT had kept to the USE of the MAIN style of Writing that we see most commonly used by the Engineers in the TWO Prequels.

However... we can use this Topic to Debate about the other FORMS of Cuneiform/Hieroglyphs  that we have seen in the Prequels (Sacrificial Cup/Bowl and the Ampoule Urns).

To my knowledge some of the Cuneiform/Hieroglyphs actually meant something in Prometheus, while others were just Random Gibberish and the Same applies to the Engineer Dialect too.

While there is NOT much we can Translate from some of these, some of them apparently have Translations and so i thought it would be FUN to try and Translate any that we can....   Can we CRACK the Code they use?

Wayne Haag had mentioned that while in Prometheus many of the Writings had No Translation he mentioned that in Alien Covenant extra care was taken to actually use Engineer Hieroglyphs that actually mean something.

I am not 100% sure those working with/on this Engineer Language actually had a Set-in-Stone Translation Method/Code.  It appeared that it could be that some of the Translations are done by Translating the Hieroglyphs to English Words and then Translating these to Greek/Latin until we come up with a Word.

I thought it would be interesting to use this TOPIC to try and not only Translate what we CAN but also if any of us can DIG UP some Information that can help support us, or even contact some of those who worked on Alien Covenant. I have a Few Questions in Mind for Wayne Haag that i hopefully can get to pick his brains with.

HOWEVER... the Most Difficult Task with Engineer Hieroglyphs is they appear to have NO SPACES making it hard to determine the Words...  with my Translation in the Banner there are Visible Spaces so that its easier to work out what those Hieroglyphs  are.

If you Translate via the Engineer Alphabet and then Translate those 3 Words from Greek to English you get "Language of the Gods"  well Tongues of the Gods.

So Feel Free to Discus, Research and Debate and lets see if we can actually Translate some stuff ;)

I would like to ADD this may be harder than it appears, as some of the Engineer Hieroglyphs in Prometheus appear to have a number of DIFFERENT Characters than the Engineer Alphabet provided on the DVD Extras, which had the 26 Letters of the Alphabet Translated but it appears there are a number more Engineer  Hieroglyphs than 26

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-19-2018 9:03 PM

That is pretty ambitious. Would you suggest there may be an alphabet of sorts like in Dead Space? Scribblings were seen everywhere but a translation was found on a wall as an easter egg.

ignorantGuy

MemberChestbursterJun-19-2018 11:02 PM

Sorry but I'll don't have to say good thing about this subject. For me, the writing systems makes as much sense as turkeys in Spain before the "discovery" of the Americas by Columbus.

My biggest gripe with this cuneiform system is that it represents the letters from modern the Modern English alphabet, used for a very Ancient language (older then the Proto-European). Languages that sound different than English almost always add more letters, look at Cyrillic script or even at Swedish.

While there were Alphabets (see the Ugaritic script from 1500BC) that used cuneiforms as letters, it still lacked vowels, which was innovation of the Ancient Greeks (Myceneans), who had latters (vowels and consonants) but also special pictograms for certain words.

Ancient text also lacked punctuation marks and spaces between the letters. 

There should have been 1 symbol per letter. So how can you distinguish between M and 3 H's ? Or X and 2 D's? Or between L and an incomplete BH combination? 

Again this is not well thought out as was the wasn't the story.

But I wish you success in translating the stuff in the movie.

BigDave

MemberDeaconJun-26-2018 4:56 PM

Yeah i have to get back to try lol

But as you say ignorantGuy its not easy.... because of the system is not actually real, or even based on anything real....  Another Problem is a number of times the Writing Appeared in Prometheus it was a jumble of Characters with NO meaning at all...   Not that i could figure out anyway... especially the Cryo-Pods... 

Wayne Haag did mention that some of the Writing in Alien Covenant was actually thought out more and so meant something...  but i guess which ONES could be a question only he could maybe Answer?

The Cryo-Pods are the same in both movies, but then if the first one it had NO meaning then to keep it looking the same as the other movie they would have thought it was best to Replicate the Prometheus layout.. rather than have NEW Hieroglyphs/Cuneiforms  that meant something related to the Device they were inscribed on.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

V I N E T I C U M

MemberFacehuggerJul-01-2018 8:23 AM

Hi Uncle Bigdave , I found your post very interesting.

this is a mystery that has no equal :D

 

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

 

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-02-2018 5:45 AM

Thank You

Its a Shame that there seems to be NO 100% Thought out Structure for how these can be Translated, Although Wayne Haag mentioned some of them in Alien Covenant had Translations.  The only Matching Way to make some Sense of SOME of them is to Translate the Cuneiform Alphabet to Letters then these WORDS you try and Translate from Latin and Greek until you can make a ENGLISH word from them.

The Engineers Cuneiform  is something of interest as it appears we have THREE kinds of Engineer Cuneiform  at play... First on the Sacrificial Cup, then on the Engineers Technology/Walls and Finally the Writing on the Urns/Vases.

We have to ASK why to they NOT use the Same System on all of these?  This could mean different Engineer Cultures/Time Lines such as many cultures/civilizations on Earth Past/Present had different forms of Writing, including various Cuneiform  but also even in Modern Used Languages we have differences such as Chinese logograms  (similar to Japanese and Korean) Sanskrit including similar Urdu  and Hebrew

So it does not have to mean Different Races?  But who knows.. its something interesting to consider and the Writings used by the ENGINEERS to form a Great Mystery to their Origins and Differences.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianAug-11-2018 9:26 AM

The writing below looks familiar.

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drucea

MemberFacehuggerAug-13-2018 9:25 AM

Is it just me or does the writing on the urn in the image above look similar to the Predator/Yautja written language?  I just googled Yautja writing and looked through the images and it's close. I know that's a far reach, but I just thought it seemed familiar from that.

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianAug-13-2018 3:08 PM

That is exactly what I meant drucea.

Has anyone done an analysis to compare the urns' writing to the Predator alphabet?

SpecialOrder937.com

BigDave

MemberDeaconAug-13-2018 11:59 PM

Indeed guys this is something we pondered on here a few years ago... It does look similar to Predator/Yautja i doubt they intended it as such.

But indeed we have this very Predator/Yautja or then some other Franchises (Elves) Language, that is on the Urns that contain the Bio-Weapon.

Yet the Ships that carry these Weapons used the Engineer Cuneiform and yet the Sacrificial Bowl/Cup has a very similar to Sumerian Cuneiform.  So its interesting to Ponder Why.

Its quite open to debate, but Questions could be asked regarding if those Engineers on Planet 4 and LV-223 are the same Race or the latter are Genetically Enhanced however, both sets seem to use the Engineer Cuneiform  however we can still look at the Sacrificial Scene and the Pebble/Teardrop Ship and its relation to the Sacrificial Cup that had similar to Sumerian Cuneiform as we do-not see any Engineers in the Theatrical Scene, its open to debate if the beings who Created/Gave this Sacrificial Bowl to the Engineer are Engineers or their Creators.

The other thing thats open for debate is IF we are seeing different Factions of Engineers, that could explain the different forms of Writing?

Another thing that has cropped up before and even something Wayne Haagg has been drawn to is that the Engineers Tools/Technology could be Stolen/Re-Engineered and not Originally theirs... IF SO.. this could explain some differences in the Written Languages.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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