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BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-25-2018 5:00 PM

I was intending to make this POST at EASTER.  But Better Late that Never ;)

I had been pondering for quite a while now how could we expand the Universe Beyond and further back than we have seen in Prometheus.  I have always wondered what would lie at the Very Top of the Hierarchy of CREATION?  And Ridley Scott had seemed to HINT there was more Beyond and Above our Engineers  with comments regarding The Removal of the Elders Scene,he said

"i did not want to meet God in the first movie" 

Then just prior to Alien Covenant he added

"You've got to go back and find those engineers and see what they are thinking. If engineers are the forerunners of us, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, who created that? Where's the big boy? You think this was all an accident? I don't know"

I know fans were kind of Disappointed with our Engineers, more so since Alien Covenant and i had been pondering surely there is more Beyond our Engineers and i am thinking of more than the layers of Hierarchy something much more!   So i have before looked at what a GOD would be, HOW would Creation had came about...   In the Beginning was the WORD after all.

Many Fans may have felt the Franchise has now taken our Engineers further away from the Enigmatic Space Jockey and Derelict, many expected something TRULY ALIEN and while this could be introduced above the Engineers... i have always looked back at the ALIEN poster, what was this EGG it looked different to what we got in the movie and it what was all that Green Stuff?  This got me thinking a while ago about CREATION and in some Creation Mythos we have the COSMIC EGG  where the Universe was born from a Egg in some Mythos and in others the Gods/Primordial beings came from this Egg and in others the Egg was separated to form the Heavens and Earth.

What a fitting ROLE for the ALIEN poster Egg i thought!

It got me thinking was a Great Galactic Egg the Start of the BIG BANG but then where could this EGG come from?  I had ideas this or ONE of these Eggs could be used to Create the Big Bang, or maybe Galaxies and if these Eggs  came in different sizes and could be Programed in Different ways to have different effects...

They could Create Galaxies from a Massive Events where the Matter that created these Galaxies came from the Destruction of a Galactic Egg and even smaller Eggs can be Programed to act as a GIANT ATOMIC WEAPONS used to wipe a World Completely Clean.  But what if these could be Programed to also TERAFORM Worlds, Programed with the Matter inside to not cause a Nuclear Blast but a smaller event that releases EVERY Building Block to allow Baron Worlds to Become Habitable... much like the Genesis Device in Star Trek 2+3

So we have EGGS of Various Sizes, that can be Programed to cause Different Events... and even that ONE kind of these Eggs can be Planted on a World and it would GROW into the World form Roots... and what IF from this EGG the Creation Tool that is the Substance we see in the Sacrificial Scene is Obtained... or from this Egg can be extracted the Green Yolk which can Harden into like a Solid Shard and so Maybe the Green Crystal in Prometheus is a solidified portion of this Creation Yolk and from it the Creation Goo can be obtained?

Not Sounding too ALIEN YET?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-25-2018 5:22 PM

Well ANOTHER Creation Mythos also came to mind...

The WORLD TURTLE which is in many Mythos too.....

So if we have these EGGS... maybe the First Egg created Galactic Turtles?  But dont think of just any TURTLE but what if inside we have HUGE Bio-Mechanical Ships that appear to look like Giant Space Turtles  and these Turtles can Produce Eggs that can be Programed to Perform various Creation Tasks.

These HR Giger Inspired somewhat Galactic Turtles appear to look like Skeletal Turtles but they are Giant Bio-Mechanical Living Ships and by Giant i am talking maybe DEATH STAR or smaller Sized, but certainly say MILES in size, and i mean HUNDREDS of Miles at the Very Least.  The Scope could be anything from say Hundreds of Miles to Thousands, and so Large Enough to even have some of them Carry like Large Continents on their Backs under a Protective Dome.

But its what goes on inside these Monstrous Bio-Mechanical Ships, that could be TRULY ALIEN i IMAGINE not only can they Produce Cosmic Eggs but that they also maybe have Chambers where Organisms are Sacrificed by being connected to Bio-Mechanical Walls and their DNA Extracted and this then is used to Produce Alien Eggs that Hatch Organisms that are Similar to Xenomorphs, well the Xenomorph traces its Ancestry to it maybe the Organism from the Prometheus Fresco? or something Similar and maybe THESE Organisms could be Advanced and Civilized to a Degree like the STARBEAST was intended. 

Maybe the Sacrificial Process above where Organisms are Sacrificed for their  Genetic Make up to then be used by Giger-esque Pregnant Bellies with maybe Vaginal Openings where the Eggs are laid from?   Maybe this whole Sacrificial Process happens on Smaller Ships than the TURTLES but Large Ships None the Less... GROWN inside the TURTLE Ships?

When i look at the Door Ways in PROMETHEUS which is also the same above the MURAL i notice the Head/Face at the Top is somewhat similar to a Turtle Skull and so indeed these Turtle Bio-Mechanical Ships could have Heads like those above the Mural/Door Ways.

I would also be looking to connect the Mural, as in some parts of it at the Top we see what appear to be TWO kinds of Egg Shaped things.

So i think mixing the Cosmic Egg/Turtle Idea, with HR Giger Twist could be a way to get the Origins of the Universe to something VERY Alien and HR Giger we could then Propose a Horrific Agenda for all of this.... one which could see a Hierarchy of Creations where at least we would see some Alien Beings  a use of the Starbeast Civilization idea working for a Higher Power, and whom Created the Engineers for a Sacrificial Purpose.

Revealing the Engineers and Space Jockey Races both Stole their Technology from Further up the more Ancient Hierarchy.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-25-2018 9:27 PM

It would be an interesting twist if Cyborgs created us long ago- somewhat like The Matrix but in a different way. It would ultimately lead to no final answer and simply leave us to ponder the age old chicken/egg question. Basically, humans believe in a higher power that is actually themselves. Then again, it drifts far and away from the original Alien movie.

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-26-2018 6:54 AM

I was just thinking of how could the higher levels of Creation be Explored,  when Ridley Scott mentioned about how if the Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then HOW/WHY are Worlds made that allow for this (being able to support life) to happen... where is the BIG GUY and he also mentioned about if the Big Bang is a Accident too.

So in Ridley Scotts mind he was thinking and pondering that its no Coincidence or Random Circumstance that Certain Worlds can support Life and so suggesting that there is some Power/Race that is making all this possible and even the Big Bang/Creation of Galaxies.

This was always interesting to ponder what Forces/Power is at play when we consider this higher aspect of Creation in regards to many different cultures and creation Mythos...    And when looking at the EGG in the Alien Poster and how we never see this Egg in any movie it got me thinking about the Cosmic Egg Theory in some Mythos.

I also could not ignore the Turtle Creation Mythos and some (Indian) have a World held up by Elephants standing on the back of a Turtle, and well if you kind of Mix a Turtles Head with a Elephant we can Vision something not far off the Space Jockey suits.

But indeed these levels are way way up the scale and far away from the events of ALIEN but in exploring some World/Race above the Engineers could bring us to a place where we could see Murals, and Tablets that Describe the Cosmic Egg and Turtle Ships...  And so we dont have to actually go and meet GOD or go that far back to the Birth of the Universe.

The Machine/Beings or what ever that is responsible could be LONG gone now or just so far away in the Universe they are out of reach.

My Prometheus 3 idea i was pondering to explore something that connected more to HR Gigers ideas.... where i would have had a Ship much larger than the Juggernaughts or even a World where there would be shown places where Sacrifices would be Captured and attached to a Bio-Mechanical Wall, where something is extracted from them and this travels along some Bio-Mechanical HR Giger Pipes and connects to Pregnant like Bellies with a Vaginal Opening where Eggs are then Produced.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-26-2018 7:55 AM

Great angle BigDave regarding the "egg". 

"mixing the Cosmic Egg/Turtle Idea, with HR Giger Twist could be a way to get the Origins of the Universe to something VERY Alien and HR Giger we could then Propose a Horrific Agenda for all of this.... one which could see a Hierarchy of Creations where at least we would see some Alien Beings  a use of the Starbeast Civilization idea working for a Higher Power"

Biomechanical Factories

This concept described above certainly fits in regards to the mural seen in Prometheus (below) and the turtle-shell-shaped "pyramids" seen on LV-223. I know that you wrote that the biomechanical ships might be miles across but I'm just citing the function of the LV-223 structures seen in the comics and early Giger artwork.

Elden, below.

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dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-27-2018 1:22 AM

where is the BIG GUY?

That might be part of the point- the big guy is mortal in this case and for different reasons, humanity has convinced itself there is some kind of life after death. Basically as advanced as we think we are, there is a need to believe in a here after and we couldn't stand to imagine just blinking out. In this scenario, we created everything- the cyborgs, the deities and mapped out an after life. The brain and its ability to imagine can be a powerful thing...and savvy individuals have learned to capitalize on it and control/influence thoughts/actions.............next up is Tom with sports and weather!

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-27-2018 6:46 AM

@Ingeniero

Certainly, i think it would be a great idea to eventually lead us to something more ALIEN more Bio-Mechanical and HR Giger believed the Derelict was GROWN and his ideas also involve how the Egg Chamber had these Bio-Mechanical Devices that Produced the Eggs that looked like Pregnant Bellies.  His Mural which was to be placed above each Cache of Eggs and above these Pregnant Belly Type Devices, shows us a relation between Derelict and Xenomorph and hints the Derelict Produces the Eggs... and Bald Humanoids Sacrifice themselves for the Procreation.

I would love to go back to those kind of ideas, but apply the Creation/Gods Mythos to them.... and so WHILE our Xenomorph may be shown now to be a Creation by DAVID....  This still leaves it open to explore other More Ancient Organisms/Eggs that via the Black Goo became the Ancestors to the Xenomorphs.

@DK

We dont know what is OUT THERE... its a Big Mystery and i think RS with Prometheus was trying to show us that this is a Question we should not be trying to ask and find our Answers..  And i think as RS is merging the Creation Themes with the Space Jockey Race/Mystery then i think it would be interesting to Discover that the Higher we go up the Ladder of Creation the More Disturbing and Alien the Answers are and Revealing some Sinister Agenda... 

A All Loving, All Powerful God who creates Mankind because he wishes to Create Perfection to Serve him, is a bit ONE-DIMENSIONAL especially if we are to have this concept within the Alien Universe and i would just LOVE to see what HR Giger would have SAID/DESIGNED if he was still alive and Ridley Scott asked him....

So now we have explored the Creation/Gods Angle with the Prequels, where Mr Giger would you take us as far as What/Who is GOD?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-27-2018 2:34 PM

"Chambers where Organisms are Sacrificed by being connected to Bio-Mechanical Walls and their DNA Extracted and this then is used to Produce Alien Eggs that Hatch Organisms that are Similar to Xenomorphs, well the Xenomorph traces its Ancestry to it maybe the Organism from the Prometheus Fresco?"

That above describes a what I would like to see...industrial biomechanical production BigDave. Great description.

Terraforming

I loved the Project Genesis scene in Star Trek 2. 

The biomechanical growth is directed by someone/thing (Engineer's superior?) to produce ships and the formations seen on LV-223.

If they are able to produce the Engineer ships and architecture we have seen, then it is easy to assume that they could scale up production to larger products or introduce their biomechanical mutagen to a planet to terraform from the existing resources.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianApr-27-2018 2:36 PM

Funny coincidence. 

SpecialOrder937.com

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-27-2018 4:04 PM

BigDave 

 What/Who is GOD?

Some have said that those posing the question see it when looking into a mirror.

dk

MemberTrilobiteApr-27-2018 4:11 PM

Ingeniero I haven't seen ST 2 in a long time. Yes, Project Genesis becomes even a more interesting concept when thinking about terraforming and black goo as well.

BigDave

MemberDeaconApr-28-2018 8:29 AM

Indeed i can see your point DK...

The Mystery of where we go, what is our purpose and is there a GOD, may have been what RS had been hinting at with his Prometheus Project.....

But some things maybe have to be left to Mystery....

No soon as you make a Movie and Introduce GOD or similar, then its tricky as it may backfire on you and become something a bit rubbish or something that some Fans would be like that was a LAME way to cover that... i mean we saw GOD in Star Trek and it was a bit Lame lol

I do think its interesting to Explore Layers above the Engineers however, and give us something more ALIEN.. we DONT need to reveal that this is GOD, it could leave the Mystery to Ponder "what made those beings or those ships" regarding however high we go up the Creation Ladder to leave some Mystery.

The Level i was going to explore would be that there are these HUGE Bio-Mechanical Space Craft Stationed in Each Galaxy or between Galaxies.  These Craft Produce Eggs like the POSTER one in various sizes and forms and they can be Manipulated to Perform Certain Tasks.

Some of these can be used to Cause a Event that Can Create a Black Hole/Super Nova....  be used to Create Stars....      the smaller ones can be used to Terra-form Worlds much like the Genesis Project in Star Trek but these Same Eggs can be used by Modifying/Programing it to completely Decimate a World... Turning a Earth into a Baron Waste Ground like Mars as the Ultimate Reset Tool.

The reason for this is i had it that David would obtain one of these and USE it to Destroy LV-223 so that NOTHING remains on this World... leaving ONLY the Derelict as the Source of the Xenomorph.

The Blast... Sends the Derelict out of control and so a Face Hugger Escapes and Infects the Space Jockey, who then Returns to his Pilot Chair and Sets Course to LV-426.....      This PLOT could even show the Explosion Causes a TEMPORARY Tear in Space/Time Sending the Derelict Back Thousands of Years.  Where the Space Jockey has no choice but to ATTEMPT to Land his Cargo and Quarantine it on LV-426

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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