examining another ridley scott interview.1,945 Views11 RepliesAdd A Reply
in the recent interview with ridley scott, he said this:
“I would like to [continue]; they’re crazy if they don’t. David is a fantastic villain. I love what (Michael Fassbender) did in Covenant. But it’s ****ing hard, dude. We lifted Alien out of a ditch and made Prometheus… There’s no reason why Alien should now not be on the same level for fans as Star Trekand Star Wars. So I think the next step as to where we go is, do we sustain the Alien (series) with the evolution of the beast or do we reinvent something else? I think you need to have an evolution on this famous beast because he’s the best monster ever, really.”
what I found interesting was that dispite saying that he was going to gradually drift away from the alien stuff and that the xenomorph was cokked, he is now saying that he is going to try to evolve the beast because it is the best monster ever. All of this should probably be taken with a grain of salt bt it seems to me that since he said, he would "gradually" drift away from the alien stuff, and then this interview saying he wants to evolve the beast, i think that alien awakening (if it even happens) will still focus on the xenomorphs.
what do you guys think of this? let me know in the comments.
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I am not sure he knows what to do anymore.
I would like to know why its not appropriate to let your kids watch Alien films even though they are now technically Disney films....lol.
It was worth a try anyway
He has made other comments that go against this too though....
He is right about it being hard, you cant set up a ALIEN Prequel to connect to ALIEN and ignore the Xenomorph, but you cant have TWO movies with Xenomorphs running around Terrorizing Colonist, the Xenomorph has to be handled with CARE, there is more chance of Overcooking it if your are not Careful.
Only Fanboys who well would like Popcorn Avatar, Power Rangers type Flicks would be pleased about seeing Xenomorph after Xenomorph, and seeing basically TWO movies that are like a Alien Resurrection and Aliens... There are other Fans who felt the way the Xenomorph was in ALIEN was unique and different and once we decided to showcase him off too much it lost its appeal... its COOL, but its not Scary anymore.
so you have to try something else, but then as your doing a Prequel, you cant ignore the Xenomorph, it has to be used well.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I covered this before....
Star Trek, and Star Wars?
Star Trek is about exploration of the Cosmos, going to place never visited before, Strange New Worlds, meeting various Alien Species, some Hostile.... Star Trek pits Humans against other Alien Races, sometimes working with other Alien Races.
Star Wars, was more a Story about the Force and Skywalkers... it did however introduce many Alien Races, and the Main Antagonist in the Franchise was the Sith and the Empire/New Order as far as Storm Troopers and this Empires Agenda for Domination, but it started from Clones, a Defensive Weapon Created to deal with the AI threat of the Separatist Droid Army
The Alien Franchise CAN NEVER match these, not just based on following only the Xenomorph, Mankind facing the Threat of Rogue AI Synthetics and Xenomorphs would not make a Star Trek or Star Wars, following Ripley is kind of like a Star Wars, but i think making the Franchise about Ripley like Star Wars was about Skywalkers to me would not really work.
PROMETHEUS.... however opened the Door to HUGE Scope... The whole Creation and Engineers ARC offers Endless possibilities, So did the Engineers just appear as a Ancient Race who Created Mankind, then Created the Bio-Weapon Vases that David then created the Xenomorph from?
Do we have...
Humans (from/on Earth)
Engineers (from Planet 4/LV-223)
Synthetics created by the Company
Xenomorph created by Synthetics..
Do these make a Star Trek/Star Wars Universe?
NOPE.... but do we know if Earth was the only Place the Engineers Created Life, do we know if Planet 4 and LV-223 are the only places the Engineers are? What other Horrors can the Black Goo Create and what Horrors went into its Creation?
So indeed if the Engineers are Genetic Space Gardeners, and if we wonder who created them, the Scope for many Humanoid Races in the Alien Franchise becomes HUGE and so indeed could be like a Star Trek/Star Wars.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Lets hope DISNEY realizes it needs content to compete with Netflix and Amazon etc, and Alien and Predator offer them something more different more Adult, than the Superhero and Family Popcorn flicks they have... I think Star Wars was DIFFERENT it was a Family Movie but quite a Serious Adventure... if was after the DVD versions came out when they added extra CGI and stuff they added what i feel was too many Goofy, elements that you expect from a Shrek Movie, but made Star Wars less Serious.
The above some unnecessary changes, and Sadly this continues with the Prequels, with Ja Ja etc...
And The Last Jedi again takes this even further to the realms of Shrek!!!!
So Alien and Predator gives Disney some different content, and they need to NOT make changes to the Franchise to make it more Kiddy Friendly, IF Disney realize this Alien Content offers them something different then they could do well with it.
I think a Problem is and this is what RS will agree, we have a NEW Generation, the Golden 60's, 70's and 80's has gone... a lot of writers seem to be stuck from the 90's and Power Rangers Era... these younger Generation cant Write Serious Movies for £$%"£%^£ or some older ones now Cater for this Younger Post Dawn of Every Home Internet Generation.
What i mean is a lot of Franchises are just becoming a bit Cheesy, Goofy etc... the JJ Abrahams Star Treks i felt was a Farce to a degree..... I have heard someone complain about The Predator and they claim if The Last Jedi upset Fans of Star Wars, you wait until you see The Predator.
Its Rare we get something serious now.... it appears Movie Companies think everyone wants more Guardians of the Galaxy and Spider Man... instead of X-Men and Iron Man.
I hope Disney try to keep any ALIEN movie it makes which it will eventually make, lets hope they keep it more serious.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I will add Peter Jackson can explore the Fantasy Genre but keep it more serious, i would hands down love to see a Peter Jackson and Tarantino do a Alien Movie
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Why not Del Toro? He has the interest in lovecraftian nightmares and he cares about his work. Instead I'm curious how the Cameron produced Alita Battle Angel will perform in July, but if it is a big hit as an AI movie will surely influence the Covenant sequel.
He seems to want to evolve the Xeno to be a result of an android, that is how he will evolve it it is just that it is boring. To me it seems confused and I agree with DK here.
They don't need to do another movie with a Xeno running around and killing people but they need better human characters and stop having it being about a mad robot. As far as over-cooking the Xeno they have over-cooked David, he was better in Prometheus but they ruined him in Covenant. I don't want another movie with androids playing flute and discussing what ever it is even though I liked to see the differences in their viewpoints.
We don't even need to focus on the Xeno, we need better human characters. To me they did this right in Alien 1-3 so there is no reason why they can not do that again. By the way, the monster wasn't seen in many scenes in Alien, I think that is an important thing to remember. One reason why AC failed is that we did not get any connection to the humans because they were not well-written, an explanation to that is that Scott's interest is with the robots. I don't want another movie where the robots are given most of the attention.
As far as goofiness is concerned they got to keep alien serious. The closest to a goofy alien movie that we have gotten this far is AR and it is not very good. AC and Prometheus are flawed but at least they
are not goofy.
I would like the next movie to be:
About the humans and how they handle situations that they are not mentally or materially prepared for
Less about androids
Very Good Points....
I have to say David is getting Cooked, the Xenomorph is Cooked but both are necessary to the Plot now we are going to directly connect to ALIEN and there is a Larger Story behind all of this, there is a History about the Engineers, there has to be a reason/history for their role with Mankind. Prometheus opened up the Door to this.... the Xenomorph just being a Weapon Created to use against Mankind,
This is the reason for Prometheus going the route to move away from ALIEN, but this was not a path many Fans wanted and FOX felt that they had to make Prometheus now connect to Alien, and hence the Prequel Series with the ALIEN: Prefix.... going this route maybe they could have had Flash Back Scenes or even a Movie set Thousands of Years ago, showing how LV-223 connects to the Xenomorph and how the Xenomorph connects to the Engineers, but would a movie set around Engineers where they would have to Spoon Feed the events that lead to the Derelict Work?
They would either have to have Engineers Speaking English to each other, or give us Subtitles. How does this connect to Humans though, we need Humans and so would having Human Characters from Thousands of Years ago work?
They could have set the sequel after Prometheus where Narration by David or a Engineer would have gave us clues or even showed us HOW/WHEN the Xenomorph was created, this route could even had not needed to Spoon Feed every single moment of the Space Jockey event. It appeared Prometheus 2 would have set this up, well provided enough clues. Without being set Thousands of Years ago, but by giving Narration and Flash Backs.
But instead they decided to move directly to Alien, where we can see the Xenomorphs created and unleashed on Humans within our Time-Frame, again they could have indicated David found the Eggs or Re-Created what the Engineers had once done.... It could appear maybe this was the plan? But it Evolved to having David Create it, because it now leads a Direct Series of Events from Xenomorph Origin and WHY to Xenomorph Evolution and HOW and then ending up on the Derelict. But all done as a series of Events Set after Prometheus using the Black Goo.
What AC has done is somewhat maybe shown us how the Xenomorph was created or intended to had been but by not just Re-creating it, but showing us the ORIGIN of the 1979 Xenomorph is a result of Experiments on the Black Goo in the Time-line of after Prometheus...
Sadly by going this route, it makes it harder to bring back the focus and expansion on what Prometheus 2 may have set up..... instead we are on the path to Spoon Feed the Derelict event and give Fans Xenomorphs and Xenomorphs..
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
This is WHY they are in a very hard place now as far as to move the Story on.
*Fanboys may like to see Eggs and Queens and Xenomorphs, but would doing and showing the Xenomorph too much over the next TWO movies be too much?
*Some like the David Arc, but some dont and i think many are disappointed with the David Creates the Xenomorph route, how do they handle this? Change it? or have Davids Creation needing to Evolve at the hands of someone else other than him? The fans are Split on David and so how they handle a David and how they handle a Queen are things that no matter what they do, will not please every fan.
*Some fans want more of the Engineers, but some feel there story is just not awe inspiring its not ALIEN enough, yet some find it very interesting... so how they introduce the Engineers and reveal more about them has to be done careful and no matter which way they go, its not going to please every fan.
*GOOD Human Characters are a Must, no more Humans just to drive the Plot along... but this is hard due to the set up... The Ending of AC does not bold well for Daniels and Tennessee, do we see David awaken and toy with them? A movie about David, Daniels and Tennessee may not be too interesting not now Daniels knows who Walter is..
*The Set Up, is Davids Creations will end up becoming the Cargo on the Derelict, but David is off to what we can assume Origae-6 with Thousands of Colonist, but only TWO Face Huggers, HOW does all this leads to Thousands of Eggs? And then THESE Eggs have to end up on a ENGINEER Ship that eventually ends up crashing on LV-426 that is very close to LV-223 and yet is some distance from Origae-6
This means the movie has to revolve around David, because the Biggest Question is DAVIDS Agenda... what does he plan next? where does he want to go Next... because if David wants Mankind Dead, or David wants to change those Thousands of Colonist into Eggs... then he really does not need to wake them up and interact with them.
He can use them ONE by ONE which means no great use of Human Characters.... unless some of the Humans Escape and then contain David, and are able to then try and SAVE the rest while then having to deal with the Xenomorphs.
But we still need a Engineer Ship, a Pilot and Thousands of Davids Eggs... so this kind of Plot wont really add up...
I think i have a idea where RS is taking this, and its similar to the Plot/Idea i have...
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Thanks, I am glad that we agree of the cooked-ness of David. Alright so they are necessary to the plot but they don't need to be in every scene (I am mostly thinking about David since that was the case of AC). To me the engineers should be in more scenes at least as a counterweight to David.
I agree that we don't need Xenos in every scene but we don't need David either. Yes the Engineers are interesting so I hope that they will be featured more in the next movie and make sense. There could be some smart explanation to them but they got to think about it. Prometheus was a step too far from the Xeno yes but then the Engineers are more interesting than David since they are more … alien with David being a result of human activity. Some people might like the idea of David but he is too close to humans if you ask me.
Yes they need something new and I like that aspect of Prometheus but it was ruined by crappy characters. They should have re-written them before they started to make the movie.
Subtitles to the Engineers should have been better because it fees more realistic. You do not think that a life form from far away in the universe would speak English, right?
A story from the Engineer's point of view could have worked. The clues should have been handled better in that way than what they were in Prometheus.
Everyone have their own reasons for watching alien movies, so yeah it will be difficult to make a movie that everyone likes. They tried to have different parts in AC, right? Unfortunately the movie was not that good but it could have been better. Having the Xeno jumping into a crane just to be killed by that was lame, I blame it on Scott. Yes if you show it too much you sort of get another Aliens or AR, that has already been done.
The alien queen should not even be in these films I believe. It is to early for that in how the Xeno evolves, a queen should come later on. Maybe it was not necessary at all since egg-morphing is more interesting/odd and fits the tone of the franchise better since it seems more gruesome to me at least.
Yup there are different parts of this so it is difficult to meet even somewhere in the middle.
Having David finding the eggs and evolving them would have been better. I am not sure why they rooted for this mes of version that we saw in AC. They should really have made this different than what we got on screen. To me it does not matter if it is a direct series of events if the result is underwhelming. Maybe they can still avoid spoon-feeding us how the derelict happened, they got to think about it though. I would like it to be that David did his version in AC but in the next movie he finds other eggs that they let us know we are older than what his version. By doing this they can avoid the fiasco of David being the creator of the original at least.
My idea of the Engineers as almost some Mayan society with priests, scientists and so on is a road that I think can be interesting. They got to be made menacing and a real threat. I think that this could be done if they get it right, they just got to think a lot about how they portray it. Perhaps they used the goo, got their own monsters, which laid eggs, and David took one of the eggs through some DNA-tampering and got his own version. This is how I would do it if I was the writer being in the position that they are now.
I like the idea of the Engineers more so than that about David. This could work but they got to get it right.
Sure it is difficult because of the set-up but it is not impossible. F the plot if the human characters are not done right. Evolving Daniels and Tennesee is difficult so that is why they got to get new and good characters in the next movie.
David's agenda is something that I am not very interested in. They can let it be a part of the next movie but not be the total sum of it so to speak. Less David scenes would be to prefer to compensate for Alien Covenant. Perhaps it is not the eggs that David do that end up on the Derelict, it could be made from somewhere else, I would like that o be the case. For some reason the Engineers have the original eggs with David re-creating them so he thinks that he did the original while he actually did a copy (the hubris theme that you mention). I think that his can be done but it will probably be crap.
"... unless some of the Humans Escape and then contain David…"
That would be nice, they kill him off and then they got to deal with the chaos that David created.
"I think i have a idea where RS is taking this, and its similar to the Plot/Idea i have…"
Which in short is? Maybe I have read it before but I have forgotten if so.