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The Facilities on LV-223

The Facilities on LV-223

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ChestbursterMember935 XPNov-05-2017 8:44 AM

To me, it seems as the facilities on LV-223 is the centre around which all this evolves? What happened there? How many facilities were there on LV-223? What kind of experiments did they do? Did they create the pathogen/mutagen there? Which of the facilities did the Prometheus crew enter? What was in the other facilities? How old were they? Did some engineers set out from Planet 4 long ago to build them, or did they come from some other part of the galaxy? What was the mural all about?

Will we return there in Alien: Awakening?

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ChestbursterMember935 XPNov-14-2017 10:35 AM


Yes, if HAL hadn't been given a contradictory programming he wouldn't be malfunctioning? Maybe a human (but do we have a soul?) would have coped with it better? On the other hand, they give HAL's behaviour a human interpretation: He breaks down "mentally" and gets “paranoid”. And he becomes dangerous, just like David . . .


I have a feeling that there will be only one more prequel which ties the whole shebang to Alien (6 was perhaps an example of hubris?).


DeaconMember10416 XPNov-15-2017 4:24 PM

Well it was interesting to see Ridley Scotts comments,  after Prometheus he said there would be a sequel, this soon changed to maybe needing TWO... 

Then we get to AC and RS informs us he intends to do a new Trilogy and it appears he meant this was Alien Covenant and TWO sequels before we get to the Back Door of ALIEN, and RS even a number of times confirmed it would be TWO more movies before we connect to Alien.

The concern for me was when he said he could do another 6 movies and he wanted to take this into a War of the Worlds kind of Scenario.....   I feel this would be hard to do unless every aspect of Production and Casting and Shooting was Near Perfect.... especially if the Xenomorph plays a role in each one as how can we have 6 more Xenomorph movies without the Beast Getting Cooked.

However... Prometheus opened up the Universe, the back ground to the other movies we often overlook because we associate them with Xenomorphs and Ripley, also open up the Franchise. You only need to look at Call from Alien Resurrection to know there is a bit of History on Earth etc with Synthetic Rebellions and Synthetics creating Synthetics and a host of Philosophical Questions, and who knows if these are things that Ridley Scott had taken on board when working on Prometheus, because this touched upon Creation, Sub-Creation Synthetic Rebellion and Synthetic Sub Creating (AC), Call was Religious yet she was a Synthetic with no Soul.... certainly see a bit of Dr Shaw with her.

So yes the ALIEN Franchise has the Potential to expand many movies, we have Weylands History, and Agenda, we have a History of the Synthetics and Flaws and Problems they caused, we have the Rivalry and then Merger of Weyland and Yutani Companies...   Never mind the Engineers Plot as Creators of Mankind etc and how this opens up the Franchise to explore and wonder how many other Worlds have been seeded with Intelligent life, who created the Engineers, where does the Sacrificial Goo and Black Goo come from.. Never mind the other Creations that could come from this... which are not limited to Davids experiments and what the Engineers had been doing on LV-223.

So yes another 6 Movies, potential War of the Worlds... YES.. i could see this, but these have to explore some of the other things as i put in the previous Paragraph and not the Xenomorph... not for 6 movies.

The Problem is contradictions and Plot Holes as far as the Alien Franchise, and so Ridley Scotts 6 movie Plan could come unstuck... because most of Mankind in the Alien Franchise were completely oblivious to who the Engineers are, and most of the stuff Prometheus and Alien Covenant opened up.


Ridley Scotts Plans are a Re-boot where his Prequels and Alien are the RS Canon and allows him to create a Alternative Story set after Alien, in effect maybe removing Aliens as Canon, just as Blomkamps Alien 5 would have done with Alien 3 and Alien R.

Thats the only way that makes sense to me.....  as to keep all those as Canon, and then bring in another 6 movies could well lead to some conflicts.


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


XenomorphMember1330 XPNov-15-2017 6:04 PM

"....because most of Mankind in the Alien Franchise were completely oblivious to who the Engineers are, and most of the stuff Prometheus and Alien Covenant opened up."

I think most of this can be explained by the AI controlling what humans know. Returning false positives and faulty info from planet surveys. Basically lying to humans to protect them.

Besides, 95% of humans want to sit in a hot tub, drinking beer and eating pizza.

Pretend your dog is human and you are AI.............Your dog is running around crapping everywhere, getting in fights, being lazy..sleeping all day...bark, bark, BARK!....THIS is what AI must think of humans?


DeaconMember10416 XPNov-15-2017 7:09 PM

Indeed, this is something that i have mentioned before, i wonder why i never put it in the replies, or did i?

So yes the only way it could make a bit of sense, is if RS is going the whole, Matrix kind of angle and Mankind is not in the know to what is happening and the AI is pulling the strings. Which is something the Source i had kind of hinted a bit at, but then the Matrix stuff could been regarding the Engineers.

My Prometheus 2 daft i abandoned did touch upon the AI, and was leading up to the actual reason for David 8 was that Peter Weyland was attempting to Perfect Synthetics, and then attempting to upload his own Memories and Experiences to a AI and Transfer this to a Synthetic... Weyland would then have conquered Death.

This was to be called operation Rook, (Chess Piece) but the AI had flaws and a uploaded Human Mind in the form of a AI had glitches and Weylands AI would become unstable even showing symptoms like Hal from 2001 but much worse until, the AI Weyland Program would just go completely Mental and break down.

So Weyland was at a bust... and turned to Dr Shaws findings in the hope of meeting the Real Gods.

The idea i was toying for in a 3rd movie would be to introduce how a Corrupt Weyland AI would spread around and infect the AI of the company, but that in the End perhaps Davids AI would upload itself to the System.

My Prometheus sequel plans would have required 3 movies to actually cover all the bases, as far as Weylands Agenda, Davids, the Engineers, their creators and the Company Merger and who is running it.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


XenomorphMember1330 XPNov-16-2017 5:42 AM

BigDave I like Alien:Covenant....But I'd rather have watched your Prometheus 2.

I'd also like to think David told the Prometheus crew and Shaw that he sent a warning signal, with all the LV223 info back to Earth....But he probably lied and didn't......Humanity getting hold of the black goo would be a disaster on many levels! Not that he would mind if humans wiped themselves out....It's the fact they might actually use it in the correct way.


DeaconMember10416 XPNov-16-2017 6:20 AM

I think as David is more superior to Mankind, and he apparently is Perfectly Safe in handling the Black Goo, he may feel this TOOL was and is way more too powerful for Humans to use, and even the Engineers.  It would be likely that he would see his creation, and then the discovery of LV-223 and the Pathogen that the Engineers could not control and fell foul to... where as David would not... as being some kind of Destiny for David.

I think one of the things RS will be exploring more in the Sequel would indeed been Davids Psychology and how David is evolving emotionally to see himself as some kind of God, having a Divine Right to this Substance, and i feel we will see him indeed getting that Wanna-be God Complex that we see Weyland had.

David has grown Sentient, he knows he is Superior to Humans, he knows the Engineers are Mortal after all and its their Knowledge and Technology that gives them Power, apart from those on LV-223 being Physically Stronger, David would see himself as Superior to the Engineers.   And knowing that the Black Goo is a Powerful tool of the Engineers that they could not control, yet David has no worries about being infected by it, would make David no doubt think that it was his Destiny to gain this Power.... 

I think the whole set up for David now, could be that he would aspire to be the NEW King.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


ChestbursterMember935 XPNov-17-2017 8:36 AM

Something else: Have you noticed the snowy mountain in the distance (second image)? Doesn't that imply an earthlike climate? We know that the crew of Prometheus couldn't breathe outside the ship, but they could inside the temple. The engineers had some kind of terra-forming device inside the temple, but it was open towards the climate outside (the outer door was open).


FacehuggerMember299 XPNov-17-2017 8:40 AM

I just at this point really think Ridley will get funding for one film and that film will feel even more rushed than AC with a lackluster connection to Alien 1. I think we keep getting our hopes up that Ridley still has Alien 1 quality up his sleeve but I don't think he does. I think Awakening will be more of the same. 


DeaconMember10416 XPNov-22-2017 2:45 PM

Indeed chli

The place was Terra-formed to some degree, the Atmosphere outside was Hostile to Humans but not the Engineers, thats if we take this unused Scene as Canon.

A Question to ask if we take this image as Canon, would be CAN those Engineer/Beings on Planet 4 had survived on LV-223.

The Answer to this would be interesting as it would certainly be a good reason why the Temple Complexes had been Terra-formed.

The other Logical Reason would be so Humanoid Creations or any other Creations the Engineers Experiment on (that require a Earth like Atmosphere) would be able to Survive.   It is why for a long time, my conclusion in regards to LV-223 was a Watchers Outpost/Nursery aka Greenhouse where they Evolved and Tested their Creations (included Mankind).

But this was way way prior to AC, and after AC this can still apply, but also it could now be that LV-223 is where the Engineers Hierarchy would come and collect those beings on Planet 4 and maybe take them to LV-223 to be Sacrificed.


Indeed it would seem that to get from AC to Alien with just one Movie would mean things would have to become very contrived (Forced) into a single movie, much like all the Things AC was trying to cover simply was too much to do justice in a under 2hr 45 min Movie.

But then going for a TWO movie route where the next one deviates from the Plan too much, which is if David Creates the Xenomorphs, we have yet to see how they end up in Thousands (Eggs) on the Derelict.

Then should the next movie disappoint, it could leave the Franchise Dead in the Water without us arriving at a conclusion.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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