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FOX Planning NEW Alien Franchise After Alien: Covenant Fallout

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joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJul-26-2017 4:29 PM

Nick from Youtube Hybrid Network analyzes what's next after the prequels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2N-pSMZ3_M

21 Responses to FOX Planning NEW Alien Franchise After Alien: Covenant Fallout

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPJul-26-2017 5:00 PM

But now we have Alien: Covenant so don't forget that you can own the movie on Digital HD from August 1 / on Blu-ray and DVD from August 15.

Enjoy the ride! :)

Lawrence of Arabia

ChestbursterMember936 XPJul-26-2017 5:15 PM

I highly doubt they are gonna reboot/soft-reboot after Covenant. I can't wait for Awakening!

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

BigDave

DeaconMember10196 XPJul-26-2017 6:21 PM

Here is my Reply from this similar Topic

Right i will try and contribute to this Topic, but this could be a mess because i am like a Brainless Zombie at the Moment :( So i cant concentrate much and feel drained all the time, hence lack of activity for a week.  But Zombie Meds are Drs Orders :(

I know there has been a few Topics and News about regarding the Future of the Franchise, and some are pointing to FOX having to rethink the Future..  I think this does not mean they will not make another movie.. i think they are assessing do they MAKE THE NEXT ONE... Tie up most of the Lose Ends to Alien.

They do not want to end up going a 2 sequel route to get to Alien and then have the next Stage Alien Awakening  Bomb Badly or even disappoint as much as Alien Covenant did, this is in terms of reception and amount of Profit made.

Making a AA that leads open to another sequel just as how AC is leaving it open for another Sequel... Puts FOX in a difficult postion.

They surely can not ignore AC and Proceed with a different Prometheus Sequel, or even a Rebooted Prequel that ignores Prometheus and Alien Covenant... But this approach is not totally out of the Question.  But its likely they cant leave the end of AC how it is and how it has shown David and the Black Goo from Prometheus has lead to the Start of the Xenomorph and that David and his Creation are hinted to link to Alien.

They cant just by-pass a direct Alien Covenant Sequel that follows what happened to David and the Colony Ship Covenant...  But then again they can pull a AC... in that they can have AA set after David has set up shop on Origae-6 or where ever they are going and not cover the 7 year events between.

But they simply cant just ignore AC, and give us a movie that does little or nothing to cover David, the Covenant, the Colonist and Davids Experiments.....

BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM...

with the Reception AC got, and some complaints for various things, FOX are surely now re-assessing how to take the Franchise to connect to ALIEN if the journey from AC to Alien means that AA has to cover David and the Covenant and his Creation but would still need a 3rd MOVIE to tie to Alien..

The Problem is if this next movie Alien Awakening Fails to do well and even worse if it fails to match Alien Covenant as far as how disappointing it did... Then it SIMPLY leaves them DEAD AND BURIED...   The only options then would be Avoid the Franchise and Re-boot it down the road which would be a bit Silly, as they have to Stick to their Guns with the Journey they wish to now take... otherwise the other TWO Options are to again,  Have Faith, try and learn from mistakes and invest again in another Potential 3rd movie FLOP.  Which if AA fairs no better than AC, then the risk is that the 3rd and Final Jigsaw to Piece it all together to Alien, will likely not succeed either and FOX would have Wasted Years and $$$ Millions on a Flop Alien Prequel.

so continuing the Story from AC to AA that then needs another movie is a bit of a gamble considering how disappointing AC was.

The Other Option would be to cover a Movie next that directly Ties to ALIEN and so covers a lot of the ideas they would have for the 3rd Alien Prequel movie, but in a way that leaves it open for a 3rd movie to actually cover the events after AC

This ^^^ could seem a more logical step, but if this Movie Flops then depending what its showed as far as the lead up to Alien, and any Questions relating to David, Engineers, and LV-223 and Paradise etc... if there are Questions left that seemed they needed a movie set Prior to Answer them  (i.e what Alien Awakening maybe is intended to be) then we get again a bit of a disappointment of missing any Gaps.   Should they decide to Pull the Plug after going a more direct Alien Tie in movie that leaves Questions remaining from Prometheus, AC and what happens a lot between 2104 and 2122.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10196 XPJul-26-2017 6:48 PM

Hopefully indeed they need something NEW...

But i feel FOX and RS now think that Ripley needs to be brought back, the only way this would work would be to go Blomkamps Route of a Alternative Sequel Timeline to Aliens, but have it set 30 years after Aliens... where Miss Weaver does not have a massive Role and have her Pass the Torch onto maybe a Newt Character....

However, i would like to see them cover a sequel to the Alien Franchise set after Alien Resurrection, or a Parallel Movie within the Franchise that can do something Fresh...

I feel doing Sequels that cover Xenomorphs and Queens will appeal for one Nostalgia movie the same goes for Blomkamps Alien 5, but then a follow up that shows the Xenomorphs and Queen etc would just loose its Charm... the Beast is Sadly Cooked and now gets a risk over Over Cooking.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10196 XPJul-26-2017 7:20 PM

Its a shame my Medical/Health Condition effects my motivation and energy and concentration to work on Projects anymore.

As i had TWO Alien Movies that were different...

One Movie was a Parallel story set around the same time of Alien-Aliens, where a Mining colony was set up on a far away Moon, and a incoming Haulage Ship is on the way to bring more Equipment to be able to Mine a Thick Rock/Metal like area the Mining Company can not breach.

This ship introduces us to a new Crew, they arrive and set up the new Machinery that breaks though the Tough Wall of a Cave, and uncovers a Nest of Cocoon like things hanging from the Ceiling.   Some of the Crew get infected, and this leads to a different kind of Organism that i intended to look a bit more like the Fresco from Prometheus.....  The crew also discover a Dead Engineer.  Latter they blow up the Cave, that then reveals behind it a Juggernaught  where they awaken a Engineer, who gets infected and kills a few Humans, and gets Chest Busted with a slightly different Organism.

In the end the few survivors decide to Nuke the Place that causes a Volcano, and this covers the area of the Cave and Juggernaught.

The Working Title for this was  ALIEN: ASCENSION  and so was a tease at maybe where the Engineers discovered the first Origins to the Xenomorphs.

======================

The other Project i started work on was a Parallel Movie to Alien Resurrection.

where the Failed Ripley 7 Queen is sent to another Outpost with Successful Ripley 8 DNA

This Outpost was a Weapons Facility where they was creating Super Soldiers by using Genetic Engineering making 6ft6" 280LB  Humanoid Killing Machines, these experiments had problems.  This outpost then receives the dead Failed Queen 7 and Engineer its DNA to produce a Cloned Hybrid, Part Queen and Part Human.  This Procreates some more different Organisms, that i envisioned not to different to how the Neomorphs ended up like. 

This causes a Outbreak as these can mutate Humans into like Fifield Mutant Zombies, that battle the Companies own Hybrid Human Zombies,  but the Marines and the companies Super Soldiers proved to be no Match for the other Xenomorph Organisms.

At the same time they used early on cloning of Ripley 8 but i left it open to debate do i bring back Ripley 8 but then how do you explain the Age?   a Mutation occurs? so her Skin is not fully formed?

Or i was going to have them use Ripley 8 DNA with Human Genome to create another Super Solider, and its this that takes care of the Xenomorph and Queen... when i say Queen it was more like the alternative New Born

Its off spring being a fresh take on these Alien R concepts

But also incorporate color and some style from the Alien R Newborn... the idea that was in my head was not to far from what a Neomorph was like.

These would be born directly from Egg Sacks the Cloned Failed Queen 7 would give birth too.... and quickly grow..

These off spring would inject hosts with a Proboscis that mutated Males into like Fifield Monsters, and Females would instead Mutate but also start to give birth to the same Organisms the Failed Queen 7 clone did.

so it introduced a New Life Cycle.

The working Title was ALIEN: RESURGENCE

I only had a broad set of a ideas for these, no more than 5-6 Pages Each... which i was going to then Evolve into a Draft of some kind.

I posted about these about 2 years or more ago, on here as that was when i was working on the ideas.... i think indeed these provide something more Fresh.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10196 XPJul-26-2017 7:23 PM

But indeed the Franchise has opened doors...

We have the Xenomorph for sure..

But we also have the Engineers, their History, Agenda and Hierarchy and what else have they created.

We have the company and what else do they get up to, and we could explore the history and conflict between Weyland-Yutani.

We have the Androids and could tie these in with Tyrell if we wanted a cross over.

And we have the Colonial Marines, as surely going around doing Xenomorph Bug Hunts is the only thing they ever do or have ever done.

So indeed plenty to explore and expand that does not have to be Alien Eggs, Queens and Ripley.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJul-26-2017 7:26 PM

BigDave whatever is going on with you, it doesn't seem to affect your creativity and analytic mind :-) I hope you feel better soon.

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPJul-26-2017 8:12 PM

I would not mind a soft re boot whatever that is. What I would not want to see is the original movie redone with a new cast with new actors portraying Ripley, Dallas, Brett etc. That would be utter blasphemy. 

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJul-26-2017 8:16 PM

Agree: that would be crazy.

Walter

OvomorphMember85 XPJul-27-2017 2:48 AM

No.Covenant is part of a new trilogy and Ridley was planning 6 more alien movies.I think from this day there must not be any sequels.Cameron ruined everything.The queen and all that.Forget about everything after Alien.

 

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPJul-27-2017 2:53 AM

Nick Burkardt RS changes his mind more than his underwear. 6 Alien movies? RS would likely be dead before that imho- I could be wrong. Source?

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJul-27-2017 2:55 AM

dk Your prayers have been answered. Start saving your money for the 6-volume prequel collection.

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPJul-27-2017 3:13 AM

Source please. Seeing is believing. 

Speaking of which- I am about to rip a new ass and go to my bank for my undelivered A Box. 

Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1540 XPJul-27-2017 3:43 AM

Maybe it could work since Prometheus and Alien Covenant are disappointments.

 

Fox and Ridley made a mess of this and it started with Prometheus. AC isn’t as bad but it still as some of the same problem namely bad characters. It could have been interesting but they messed up the human characters and the SJ.

 

If they will make another prequel movie they really have to step it up a lot.

 

  • Much better human characters (look at what Alien and Aliens did right)
  • Less AI, keep them as a part of it but do not have them as the main focus.
  • Do not make David the creator of the Xenos!!!
  • Show less of the monsters/keep them in the shadows
  • Better tempo, AC was too slow but this doesn’t mean that they have to rush things just let more things happen

 

They focused too much on David at the expense of the human characters. Fassbender did a good job (even though he was better in Prometheus) but shouldn’t be the main focus.

 

As far as the next movie is concerned I am afraid that given the reaction to Covenant and Prometheus, well they have a problem.

 

Sure they have wasted money but Fox and Ridley sold know better. I listened to a podcast from AvP Galaxy where they said that the studio seemed to think that the problem with Prometheus was the lack of Alien, to me it wasn’t the main thing. The main thing to me was bad human characters.

 

One problem was the trailers, they were misleading and explained the characters better than the movie did. If that is the case then the movie has failed at something important, namely to get us to sympathize with the characters.

 

To do a re-make of Alien would suck, I agree with DK on this one. Some movies simply don’t need to be re-made.

 

Nick: I have heard that Scott plans more Alien prequels but six of them seems too mc so I doubt that they plan for so many. What is your source for that claim?

 

Get well soon BD

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPJul-27-2017 10:17 AM

Yes, it's true, the 6-film-plan was mentioned some months ago, if I remember well, it was discussed in the scified news section as well, but not all of them were named as prequels - some members said some of them can be spin-offs or direct sequels to Alien: Alien 2 and Alien 3 without Ripley. Ahh, those movies would be huge!

Capt Torgo

FacehuggerMember176 XPJul-27-2017 3:59 PM

Hope you get feeling better BigDave, we need you strong to carry us forward. Trying not to lose faith in Fox but how they didn't see some of these problems coming with AC is beyond me. They could lower budget and finish the prequels without paying Scott big money or Fassbinder if he requires it. Just throw in a few answers that linger about Prometheus and deal with the leftovers + tie in from Covenant to A1. The hardcore fans will show for opening weekend and if it uses smart writing and believable dialogue like the first 3 films and is generally entertaining = word of mouth will help make the box office a success for the following weeks. Why cant the studio go back to its roots of picking first time directors to carry each new installment. Why is RS the self appointed king of the alien sandbox. Very disappointed in everybody involved with AC. Really could have been special. Hope your facehugger in your a-box gets delivered dk. Its a bummer paying for something only to never recieve it as they are usually experts at taking your ! money. That would make such a charming stuffed companion for all occasions and fashions!

 

BigDave

DeaconMember10196 XPJul-27-2017 6:07 PM

Indeed i think they need to be careful...

A Reboot i feel would be bad.... even if its RS doing a different Alien Sequel as if Aliens on wards did not exist, the same way Blomkamps Alien 5 was to do with Alien 3 and Alien R

IMO if they do a movie after the Prequels, they would be better off having it as a Parallel story to Aliens ==> Alien R, the Franchise seemed to be about Ripley, and the Xenomorph that seemed to only originate from the Derelict and after Hadleys Hope was Destroyed there was no more Xenomorph apart from the Eggs that got onto the Sulaco.

But the Prequels have gave us the route that their could be a number of different related Xenomorphs and other creations from the Black Goo... so there is something to explore there.

But i think FOX feel the Movies have to mainly be about the XENOMORPH i just dont think they have the Balls to try something different, because they did so with Prometheus and that never did was well as Planned.... so Alien Covenant has done worse...  I do worry FOX now feel maybe its because it relied on David and Engineers and Prometheus still... and not Alien and Ripley and the Queen etc.

If they go the route of a sequel and have Ripley back, then i think potentially it could SUCK especially visually as lets say they do a Movie with Ripley in it, and make it within 5 years

while Miss Weaver looks good for 67... its likely she would be 70+ by the time they Shoot a Movie with her in it, within the Alien Franchise and i cant see how they can make a 70 year old Miss Weaver look in her 30's

So the only route would be a Blomkamps and Pitch a Aliens Sequel that takes out Alien 3 and Alien R as Canon, and is set some 30+ years after Aliens and not the 20 that Blomkamp intended.  And so set it in the year 2210... or even 2222 and so 100 years after Alien i think 2205-2210 be better but 2222 could work if we assume Ripley spends some time in Cryo-sleep as remember in Aliens she was afloat in Space for over 50 years and looked like she had not really Aged.

But i would hope they have something more Original in store, but i Fear FOX will cave in and think the Franchise needs the Queen and Ripley.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPJul-27-2017 6:12 PM

6 movies........I will be a senior citizen and not GAF about it at that point FFS!

BigDave

DeaconMember10196 XPJul-27-2017 6:13 PM

Thanks for the Get Well Wishes..... i have TWO Weddings to attend the Weekend and so i have come off the Meds, as i cant be a Zombie Saturday and Sunday....  But Drs want me to stick to them for a Month before they will consider other options...  Oh well its stick to Meds that are not fixing none of the Problems but cause more then lol

Oh as far as the 6 Movies, indeed RS had said he planned to do 2-3 more Prequels before he announced Alien Covenant and after Alien Covenant was announced he said they will do 1-2 more before they get to the Rear End of Alien... But then he also said they could make another 5-6 Alien movies.

His comments about how you could digitally De-age Miss Weaver are maybe a hint he could be tempted to TAKE HIS BABY..... Which is 1979 ALIEN throw in 2-3 Prequels set after Prometheus but before Alien, and then maybe tempted to throw in his own 2-3 Sequels to Alien or maybe Aliens... This is what i think he could be intending and i think FOX may indeed feel Ripley and Xenomorphs is what the Franchise is about and not Creation, Androids and Engineers.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Jay Johns

OvomorphMember39 XPJul-28-2017 3:00 AM

Everyone need to remember that there is an alien and queen floating in space. They can breath in space thanks to the ridiculous ending in aliens where ripley fights the queen. the queen hitched a ride to the main ship. And of course the alien from the 1st movie is floating around also. Those 2 creatures can be used for a reboot. Its been pretty much established that the company knows all through transmissions. No more Ripley and no Blomkamp. And AA needs to have the continuing story but there needs to be more horror and suspence

MU/TH/UR 9000

OvomorphMember69 XPJul-28-2017 3:26 AM

Fox has to stop pressuring Ridley to put things into his movies that weren't part of the plan, it mucks things up and leaves a whole lot of people upset and it's dividing the franchise.

I hope they give us more information on the engineers and there's some sort of flash back to give some of us fans some closure on David x Shaw.

I really disliked Alien: Covenant the movie but I found the book wholly satisfying I have it in 4 formats, I have re-read it probably more times than I have watched Prometheus.

I think what they did, has a lot of long time fans wanting to leave the franchise and a bunch of new blood being pulled into the fandom. In the end that makes them more money because those new fans will want to watch the Alien-Alien:Resurrection and probably buy the new anthology to catch up.

Everyone is regaling stories of doom and gloom for the franchise but I think that's just missing what they were familiar with. Prometheus was starkly different yet had all the ideas that were previously not used in other alien films and same with Alien: Covenant.

Prometheus was about creation, Lawrence of Arabia in space. And Alien: Covenant was about couples, Frankenstein in space. My guess is Alien: Awakening may be about the engineers because of the Origae=Waggoner=Wagner=Charioteer=Space Jockey=Chariot of the Gods.

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