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why the ultramorph needs to be in alien awakening.
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Timmy the ultramorph

MemberChestbursterJul-17-2017 12:06 AM

I am a huge fan of the idea of a creature that is born when a facehugger latches onto an engineer. the concept of it was first introduced in the scrapped prometheous script Alien engineers. it would stand at about 16 feet tall and was modeled very closley after hr gigers necronom IV. ever since I heard about it, i have been wanting it in a film ever since. here are the reasons why the ultramorph should most definitly be in alien awakening.

1: it would be an exuse to put an engineer in the film and if we have an engineer in the story until it dies that should be long enough to give us some informaion about thier civilization.

2: if davids creation ( the facehugger) were to be proven to be superior to the engineer, (his creators creator) it would not only sort of bring the creation full circle by havin it a bit like a food chain. The creator creats something smaller that is able to create another thing even smaller, witch then creates something even smaller and more insignificant that is the one that will eventually take down the original creator. it would also boost davids god/creator delusion to a whole new level.

3: It would look amazing. can you just imagine a chase inside a spaceship were the last survivor is being chased by a creature 16 feet tall, towering over all other xeomorphs.

4: it would be terrifing. again can you imagin being chased through a spaceship by a 16 foot tall xenomorph that was born from your own creator?

5: the ultramorph would have the potential to be smarter than human kind. You know how the dog xenomorph in alien 3 was considerably less smart than the human hosted xenomorphs. this would impliy that the intelligence of the host would carry onto the xenomorph. considering that engineers literally created us meens that they are alot smarter than us meening that a engineer hosted xenomorph would be alot smarter than your average xenomorph.

6: fan apeal.

I feel that alot of people who were dissapointed in prometheous would be sort of fufilled when a concept from the better liked script alien engineers is used.

7: it fits in with the story leading up to alien.

IF, origea 6 is actually lv 426 and there is an engineer on that planet it would fit in perfectly. the engineer is facehugged in cryosleep by david. when it wakes up and trys to piolit the ship he is chestbursted spawning the ultramorph and making him lose control of the ship and making it chrash into position for 1979s alien. daniells and tennasee would be unloaded by david onto lv426 were the ultramorph would hunt them all down.

there is some more reasons that i wont get into but That is my articall. if you have anythinf to add or if you dissagree, comment below. thanks.

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MemberChestbursterJul-17-2017 3:24 AM

I will totally be in agreement that it would be so good to see an Ultramorph in all its glory. Hope they stick to the size it was intended to be too. Another variation.

Does anyone think that IF A:A leads directly into Alien there are still so many events to cover it is going to be an impossible task ? 

We know they cant answer all the questions they posed but we will require a certain amount due to A:C lacking in that department

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MemberChestbursterJul-17-2017 10:27 AM

Hmmm.. I agree, except I don't think it HAS to. It is almost necessary, but we could be fine with just Xenos or maybe another variation David somehow creates. Still, I think you make a lot of good points and it could be really frightening to have a giant xenomorph chasing someone. It would be similiar to when Ripley and Newt were waiting for the elevator and the Queen was aproaching or even in the game, Aliens: Colonial Marines, when the Raven is chasing the player and they have to seal the doors behind them.

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MemberChestbursterJul-17-2017 1:29 PM

I'd love to see the Deacon again and it's potential.

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MemberDeaconJul-17-2017 4:28 PM

The Ultramorph from Spaights Alien: Engineers had a number of concepts.

Reading the Draft, the description fits more with the Top TWO Designs that are like re-designs of Necromom 4, and apparently if the Source i had 2.5 years plus ago was correct then Prometheus 2 was indeed going to show us the Ultramorph.

I think there is a good chance we will see a Xenomorph type Organism that comes from a Engineer Host, and while the Ultramorph would have been 16-18ft tall, we have to remember it came from a 12-15ft  Engineer.

So i think unless its shown as coming from a different kind of Egg, then i would would assume a Organism Born from a Engineer would stand fully grown 25-30% Taller than a Engineer Host... so the Ultramorph would depend on how big the Engineers are.

So a typical one from a LV-223 Engineer would be about 10ft tall lets say..... but if we are shown a Race of Engineer related beings who are 10-12ft tall then yeah i guess we could see a 14-16ft Ultramorph.

With TWO Prequels to connect to Alien, i think the next will only show us the Seeds to come.. and i think Ultimately these Events could lead to going to LV-223 for some reason in the 3rd Prequel where the end of this will Tie in to the Derelict and Alien.

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MemberOvomorphJul-18-2017 5:18 PM

IF, origea 6 is actually lv 426 and there is an engineer on that planet it would fit in perfectly. the engineer is facehugged in cryosleep by david. when it wakes up and trys to piolit the ship he is chestbursted spawning the ultramorph and making him lose control of the ship and making it chrash into position for 1979s alien. daniells and tennasee would be unloaded by david onto lv426 were the ultramorph would hunt them all down.

This point hit me by - Neomorph do nothing to David. But Alien Queen teared Bishop. To 1979 Alien on this point if Ultramorph destroy crew and David? 

And in final times Protomorph is destroyed cam by watching David on Covenant.

So like some Xenomorph has tubes on back, some xenos attacked Androids but some not.



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MemberChestbursterJul-18-2017 5:25 PM

I agree with you on Points #1-#4.

On Point #5, I think the answer is, "It could be smarter, but not necessarily."  The Engineers have been around a long time.  They might be as old as when life first began on Earth if you want to listen to what Dallas says about the Derelict.  Didn't he say "millions of years old"?  Still in Prometheus, Engineers were interacting with people long before we could even guess at how we would get to the stars.  Earth humans may be able to be just as smart as Engineers.  The Engineers brain may not be much different than a humans brain (I mean, our DNA is an exact match), but the Engineers definitely had much more time to learn about science than humans.  A dogs brain, like in Alien3, isn't as smart as a humans, so it would make sense that an Xeno which comes from it wouldn't be as smart as one that comes from a human.  That is only true if the hosts intelligence transfers to the birthing Xeno.

Point #6 - I LOVED Prometheus.  It reminds be of the original Alien, but not done as well.  Simply put, Alien and Prometheus are perfect ideas, but Prometheus is not perfect; whereas, Alien is perfect.  I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the fact that the audience doesn't know for sure that Prometheus is taking place within the Alien franchise until the VERY LAST SCENE.  Honestly, one part of me wants that scene to be removed and the other part loves every second that Deacon is on the screen because now you know.  With Prometheus, the audience isn't worried about how this all ties into the Alien story until the very end.  It's beautiful, but is almost excessive.

Also, wouldn't the Deacon evolve into an Ultramorph?  I guess it was a different facehugger, so maybe not?

Point #7 - I don't think David facehugger an Engineer upon waking from hypersleep would be a story I would like.  Plus, I don't think Origae-6 is LV-426, but my thoughts on that really aren't based on anything besides the fact that I wouldn't like that story either.  I can write something better than that.  Of course, what do I know, I don't write stories.  I write poetry though.


MemberOvomorphJul-19-2017 7:42 AM

I would be interested in seeing the ultramorph, what they would come up with, as much as i would love to see more of the deacon and even the neomorphs.  One thing that doesn't speak tome personally is the idea of it being very just kind of gives me Godzilla or Jurassic Park images in my head...  I didn't like the height of the Queen and I take its more interesting that a classic Xenomorph is only slightly bigger than a man. It somehow makes it more frightening to me

A huge creature is also more difficult to hide, like in tunnels and such

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MemberChestbursterJul-19-2017 6:02 PM

Very true... if there was an Ultramorph, I would expect that it would be similar to the queen in Aliens, it just walked and was big.  Regular Xenomorphs can crawl in and around ALL kinds of things.  Of course, they are writers, so I would hope they could come up with something that works.

Good point sosse!  If the writers can come up with something unique and original then I say do the Ultramorph, but the stealthness of the Xeno is what makes the Alien franchise scary (in addition to it's smarts).  I don't want to see another Aliens ending similar to the queens part.  I liked it in Aliens, but I want something different.

Timmy the ultramorph

MemberChestbursterJul-19-2017 9:04 PM

i was thinking that since the derilect ship was built engineer sized,  it would sorta fit in with its surroundings, but i do see your point.

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MemberFacehuggerJul-19-2017 10:12 PM

Ridley couldnt even get the SJ size nowhere near the original size of 20+ feet. We instead got a 7 foot tall humanoid. I doubt they will be able to get a 15+ xeno like creature ok screen.


Unless they take cues from avp on the queen size.



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MemberNeomorphJul-23-2017 3:52 AM

It sort of depends. The Alien is most effective when it is in the shadows and you don’t see what happens. Alien Covenant’s most effective killing was the one when you heard a scream and then you saw a floating head. When a monster is too big it gets easier to see so it becomes less threatening. Maybe it can be made to look bigger but it shouldn’t be so easy to see.


The look of the Ultra-morph is well done.

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