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Resemblance of the stone-faces to Prometheus?

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jdvyne

MemberOvomorphJul-12-2017 2:35 PM

Hey there guys, I may be up to something, maybe not.

A few days back I watched AC again (don't know where this screenshot comes from *cough*) I noticed something when they were in the hall of heads. I looked at every head that was filmed and i wondered if one of these faces may be familiar to us. RS said a few years ago, regarding the sacrificial engineer, that that planet doesn't have to be earth, it could be anywhere. So a few of us came up with the theory, that maybe the planet at the beginning of Prometheus is in fact Planet 4. In that case it could be, that one of the faces in the hall of heads or one of the faces engraved in the mountains may be the face of the sacrificial engineer.

We do see two more engineers in Prometheus, the beheaded and the one at the end. And I thought maybe one of the faces in the hall of heads or on one of the mountains may be the face of one of those two engineers.

Or if one of the faces resembles the giant stone/metall-head in the head-room in Prometheus. The left head in the pic above has some resemblance.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-agF2angW1c4/V3OFIwVAWHI/AAAAAAAAaFQ/toTQJ_vyZuAuIvEqdJ4iFKVsd-HITZkJACLcB/s1600/prometheus001f-730x365.jpg

What do you think?

Below the link to another topic of mine where I spotted another face in the mountain.

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45861

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Dark Nebula

StaffXenomorphJul-12-2017 3:00 PM

I did a little research about those stone faces, and according to the art book, these stone faces are Engineers' way of celebrating themselves.

 

"We all have our time machines, don't we. Those that take us back are memories...And those that carry us forward, are dreams."

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-12-2017 4:11 PM

I think these Statues are all a bit different, some looked like the Elder Engineer, some looked more like the Sacrificial and some looked kind of Middle Aged.

I think indeed we could speculate if this place was where the Sacrificial Scene took place, thats something we cant rule out.

I think the interesting thing from the Art Book, which i have to purchase is this part,  "This ground-level architecture in the city interiors is a break from the classic, curved, biomechanical, Giger-esque set design; there is a classicism that has more in common wit the European religious artefact, with the FACES OF THESE FALSE GODS watching over everything."

So those who wrote this book claim these beings are False-Gods, so that can mean they did not create Mankind but it could just merely be that these beings are not GOD's at all, which i think Prometheus kind of hinted to anyway..  I think this is a interesting point.. because it could mean there are another Hierarchy of Creation above these beings who created them, it could mean they stole the Technology to Create (Sacrificial Goo) or Found it and so did not Create this.

We do not know if we will be shown a direct Hierarchy of creation above the Engineers and if these beings or what ever had created the Sacrificial Goo, or if these Engineers have a unknown Origin and came across the Sacrificial Goo that allowed them to create and Play GOD's.

Ridley Scott had said these Hall of Heads are the Wise Men, the Apostles and someone from Production (cant remember who) said these Statues are the Engineers Hierarchy.

And so it will be interesting to see the Layers of Hierarchy as far as the Engineers, these Statues, the Elders, and those beings on Planet 4 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ati

MemberPraetorianJul-12-2017 6:01 PM

Good questions!

'So a few of us came up with the theory, that maybe the planet at the beginning of Prometheus is in fact Planet 4.'

One thing is for sure, if we see Planet 4 at the beginning of Prometheus, then Peter Weyland knew that planet when David was born:

Still from Prometheus:

Still from Alien Covenant:

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-12-2017 6:13 PM

It does look a bit the same... but if Paradise was the opening Scene, i think its just Coincidence as far as Weylands back drop in the opening Scene.

This Scene is likely set in the year 2025, David 1 and so i cant see how Weyland would have knowledge of what Paradise looked like back then.

I think its RS putting some visual clues that we can maybe read into too much... we dont yet know where the Sacrificial Scene took place.. RS had said it did not have to be Earth,  but this does not mean its not Earth, so it could be Paradise or it could have taken place anywhere else in the Galaxy.

I am not sure if RS will ever confirm where the Sacrificial Scene Took place.. i think his comments are just to inform us that these kinds of Sacrifices take place on many Earth like Worlds.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ati

MemberPraetorianJul-12-2017 6:24 PM

'It does look a bit the same...' - No, BigDave, no! Not a bit. We see the same environment in the two stills. I don't claim that Planet 4 is the planet at the beginning of Prometheus, but the two scenes show the same planet:

Prometheus:

Alien Covenant:

auximenes

MemberFacehuggerJul-12-2017 11:44 PM

That is definitely the same scene. How did Weyland get an image from the planet surface before the events in Prometheus?

sherris

MemberChestbursterJul-13-2017 3:23 AM

Im not certain on this but I did read an Alien timeline which stated that Prometheus seeding was 93 AD. (I just checked)

If this is true it would mean that The Engineers were still seeding planets up until at least 2000 years ago.

 EDIT: YES it does look the same scene now I have looked a little closer. 

Im not sure which is correct now. The timeline OR the Planet being the same. Cant be both.

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-13-2017 7:31 AM

It certainly looks the same, and i am never going to dispute that and i would say with 99.9% accuracy the shooting location is the same.

However i think its just like a Easter Egg and i dont think it in anyway is to show us that Weyland Company knew of where the Sacrificial Scene took place.

The Scene did take place on Earth, and well Planet 4 was also on Earth.. hell even LV-426 is on Earth lol... but joking aside yes the Sacrificial Scene had taken place on Earth in the drafts, but RS had said it did not have to be Earth as a way to suggest that this kind of Sacrificial Event is not a One Off and has been done on other Worlds.

Is this Paradise/Planet 4... is open for debate, there is no Proof that it is, but it could be likely that the same kind of Sacrificial Scene had been done on Paradise, or even maybe Originally.

So the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus could be the first time they did this,  5th time or even 1000th time we really cant be sure.

I think if RS ever suggests the Scene was on Paradise, we need to then not read into the Weyland/David Prologue Background as being that the company has been to Paradise.. i mean think of the Plot Holes and Questions this raises if this was the case.

@Sherris

Which Alien Timeline was this from?

If the seeding in Prometheus was 93AD then it cant be Earth lol, and it may be unlikely to had been Paradise too, unless Paradise had Primates or other Humanoids and then a Sacrificial Scene like this meant Engineer DNA then contaminated Humanoids to then make them mutate to more Engineer looking.

There is never been to my knowledge any official confirmation of the Sacrificial Scene so i would have to check that time line out... i think the reason for it is because RS sees this Scene as just showing how these Space Gardeners go about their business.

Spaights Alien: Engineers the Sacrificial Scene would have taken place  a FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND years ago maybe even Millions as it may be to show Primates Evolving into earlier ancestors, or earlier ancestors evolving into Homo-Sapiens we dont know how many times this process had occurred before in Spaights Draft.

Lindeoffs was to show case either the start of Life on Earth, which it could not have been due to Plant Life... or likely the Catalyst that caused Basic Life to Evolve to Complex Life and so like a Billion years or so.... but i am sure Lindeloff said the event was to explain the Cambrian explosion and thus over 500M years ago.

As far as what the Engineers are doing now... it depends on what was the Purpose for Seeding Worlds and did they Bare Sufficient Fruits of their Labor so they did not need to continue seeding worlds after a certain point?

We dont know how Far Spread the Engineers and their Hierarchies Seeding goes, for a Race that must be over a Billion years old, certainly Over Half a Billion... and a Race who have Maps to other Galaxies... we can not really comprehend just how far and vast their Genetic Space Gardening is.

Certainly is not limited to the close Sector of Space we live in and so its  ok to assume they have seeded and interacted on Worlds Thousands of Light years away too.  If not further.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

sherris

MemberChestbursterJul-13-2017 8:15 AM

BigDave - 

A couple of months ago I did a search for an Aien Timeline and it was on there. Again im not sure if it is correct or official or even where the information is from. I just wrote it in my notebook.

I just searched again and there is one at:

http://alienanthology.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Universe_Timeline

Again I dont know if its correct or where that info is originally from.

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-13-2017 9:01 AM

Thanks for the Link....

I am not 100% sure this can be taken as Accurate though, i dont recall if RS or any other connected people ever confirmed or mentioned the Sacrificial Date....   Its a pity SM is not around here no more.. as i am sure they would maybe be able to confirm this.

I think the key thing is what RS said though, and that is the Sacrificial Scene could be any place at any time, it just shows how the Engineers Seed Worlds.   They could have started doing this Millions, or Hundreds of Millions of years ago.. maybe over  a Billion.

And they could have been doing it even as far as the Alien Covenant Timeline, we really dont know when the First or Last time they did this was... i think its open to debate but shows us this is a event they partake in over a vast length of their History.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

drucea

MemberFacehuggerJul-14-2017 10:51 AM

I'd say that without a doubt, the two scenes are identical. I was under the impression that backdrop in the white Weyland room was a window. I took this to mean that Prometheus was the seeding of earth and Weyland's building was also on earth.

Or even better, maybe it was just to relate the sacrifice scene of Engineers being creators of life at this location, with the Weyland scene being in the same location the seeding took place, but now it is Weyland who is the creator. Since the scene is has to do with him being the creator of David.

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-15-2017 8:24 AM

@drucea

Agreed this is exactly the reason for these Scenes,  they have replicated the look of the Sacrificial Location because this was to show us the CREATION of Mankind...  And so the David and Weyland Scene is to show the CREATION of David

Its to show us the Creator/Creation Metaphor, and i dont think we should read into it too much as regards to this means Weyland knew about the Sacrificial Scene and where it took place.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

jdvyne

MemberOvomorphJul-15-2017 12:39 PM

Well ati very good! I dont know if it was you who has spotted this but this is very big!

I think it should be obvious that the weyland-david scene is on earth. And the background landscape looks 100% like the landscape from the prometheus oprning. So this is proof that the sacrificial scene indeed took place on earth. What ridley meant by saying "it doesn't have to be earth, it could be anywhere" was, we now know, that indeed THIS scene was on earth but it doesn't mean they did it only on earth. This scene merely stands for something the engineers did on a regular basis. But the sacrififial scene in prometheus plays on earth. The landscape is proof of this.

Ati

MemberPraetorianJul-15-2017 1:50 PM

jdvyne - I'm glad that you find my lines informative. Once again, I would like to stress that I have not stated in any of my comments that the two stills show Planet 4, and I do not state that Weyland knew about the Sacrificial Scene and where it took place. Every word of my comments should be taken into consideration when reading, the word 'if' as well.

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