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So Alien Covenant Is for those who love the Star Wars prequels after all

So Alien Covenant Is for those who love the Star Wars prequels after all

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joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-26-2017 4:18 PM

Ridley Scott himself admitted it in an interview with IGN: George Lucas' origin story trilogy and sequels were the model for his own Alien prequels. And he doesn't dismiss the idea of a cross over with Blade Runner “I think that, you know what, George has always proved that. Of course there’s always something. George Lucas, you know, and the way he’s handled Star Wars has been spectacular. It’s what I’ve been trying to do to really evolve Alien, because in those days I wasn’t into making sequels, but now suddenly you realize, ‘Well, that’s stupid.’ I’ll use the word ‘duh’ again, right? You’d better get into sequels, duh. So that’s in a way what I’ve been doing.Scott was also asked about the possibility of Alien and Blade Runner existing in the same universe, responding that: “Well, I think if Alien is in the air, Blade Runner is on Earth. And probably is a very good reason why you wanna leave Earth.” Do you think Ridley Scott has any artistic aspirations for these new projects or is he just after the money? Can anything good come out of a Alien/Blade Runner combo?

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/06/ridley-scott-planning-more-blade-runner-sequels/

29 Responses to So Alien Covenant Is for those who love the Star Wars prequels after all

BigDave

TrilobiteMember9911 XPJun-26-2017 4:51 PM

I think if handled correct the cross-over loosely could work... thats if its handled correct

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sherris

ChestbursterMember516 XPJun-27-2017 2:19 AM

I honestly dont think they would put in the theory to make them plausible.

I was wondering because Sony have Blade Runner and Fox got Alien franchise. 

Would it even be possible or are the 2 companies owned by the same corporation?

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Woolson

FacehuggerMember127 XPJun-27-2017 3:40 AM

sherris

Warner Bros owns Blade Runner... Sony is just onboard to distribute internationally because Alcon made a deal for them .Sony has been rebooting a lot of franchises

Cleaner than Earth Actually

Im Durp

FacehuggerMember478 XPJun-27-2017 4:27 AM

I hope they don't do a Blade Runner Alien cross over, they're best doing their own thing even if they take place in the same universe keep them separate.

IndyFront

FacehuggerMember129 XPJun-27-2017 4:40 AM

I'm with Durp. If they do a crossover, the prequels should be considered part of RS' sci-fi universe exclusively (similar to the AVP/Alien relationship).

Thoughts_Dreams

XenomorphMember1493 XPJun-27-2017 7:35 AM

Oh, I see that they got a picture of Elisabeth Shaw! ;)

Lawrence of Arabia

ChestbursterMember936 XPJun-27-2017 8:44 AM

I'm not sure if I'm up for a Blade Runner crossover but if it's done well I'm good. Prometheus was really a marriage between Alien and Blade Runner so... 
Also I feel like you're trying to insult those who like the Alien Prequels simply cuz Ridley admires George and is trying to pull off something similar. The Star Wars prequels weren't bad imo but I'm indifferent and what Ridley's doing is better.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

laperouse

OvomorphMember23 XPJun-27-2017 12:50 PM

I am really not that much enthusiastic about that crossover. And I was not enthusiastic about Star Wars prequels as well. ;-)

All those... moments... will be lost, in time, like tears... in... rain.

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 1:02 PM

It is obvious that Ridley Scott admires George Lucas the business man, not the director, since his style is very different. He is also probably is attracted to the idea of becoming a brandname like lucasfilms. Covenant is simply a cash grabbing operation gone terribly wrong, a total miscalculation that failed to read the both the fanbase and the movie going market in general. And many of those who liked it would just embrace anything Ridley would throw at them because he is their guru, they convince themselves that anything coming from his mind has to be brilliant.

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 1:05 PM

laperouse I am with you. I think Blade Runner needs sequels as much as Citizen Kane needs them. And a crossover with Alien would be plain blasphemy!

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPJun-27-2017 2:16 PM

Lawrence of Arabia

ChestbursterMember936 XPJun-27-2017 2:17 PM

@Ati

XD

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPJun-27-2017 2:27 PM

Lawrence of Arabia - Ha! Nonsense and provocative topic, it is impossible to react with written words. :)

Im Durp

FacehuggerMember478 XPJun-27-2017 2:32 PM

The title is definitely condescending but the actual topic has little to do with it, mostly focusing on an Alien Bladerunner crossover than the similarities, if any, the Alien and Star Wars prequels have.

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 2:45 PM

Im Durp Exactly. They don't have many similarities. Just the business model. It's just Ridley sounds crazy thesedays, and I really resent those who blindly encourage that craziness. All those statements about making several Alien prequels (when Covenant is so flimsy it seems they struggled to come up with any ideas at all) And I am very sad about it, because he is one of my favorite directors ever, he shouldn't be trying  so hard to tarnish his legacy.

Lawrence of Arabia

ChestbursterMember936 XPJun-27-2017 2:52 PM

joylitt

I would take your opinion more seriously if you didn't sound so condescending. Cuz apparently since those who enjoyed Covenant and found it very interesting and wants to know more are just a mindless sheep who eats whatever garbage that's thrown their way. Because you feel indifferent. I'm not down for a Blade Runner crossover but if done right isn't necessarily bad, if that's the topic you are wanting to engage in. I don't see anything wrong with what Ridley's saying, Alien kick started his career and he only wants to nurture its potential and make it bigger. Sounds like he cares a lot for the franchise.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Im Durp

FacehuggerMember478 XPJun-27-2017 2:54 PM

TBH I would say both had a vision it's just Lucas had the power to do what he wanted, and Ridley had to cave to the studio. Announcing an Alien prequel trilogy was a little hamfisted to me, one movie would have done it, but it's clear from what he originally said and what we got that his original prequel trilogy was going to be much different than what we have, and it's hard to judge it now that we'll never see what could have been

Gavin

TrilobiteAdmin9516 XPJun-27-2017 3:02 PM

When they were marketing Prometheus back in 2011/2012 they stated that it was a prequel to Alien. As such many general audiences that didn't spend their days on forums such as these assumed that Prometheus would tie directly into Alien. What Scott, Fox, and the marketing should have said was that Prometheus is to Alien what the Phantom Menace is to "A New Hope" - A preceding chapter but not the one that will tie directly into Alien. Had they done that many of these "how Prometheus should've ended" YouTube videos wouldn't have surfaced.

And while the Star Wars prequels to generate a lot of hatred they do achieve what they ultimately set out to do (other than making money), which is to flesh out the character of Anakin Skywalker and the cir***stances that led to his fall from grace and the Sith's rise to power.

What Ridley is doing is the same, he is fleshing out the Xenomorph with a grander mythology. Unfortunately, the way he has done it thus far has led many fans astray, while infuriating others.

RZA

OvomorphMember38 XPJun-27-2017 3:20 PM

@Gavin

Oh I despise those "How Prometheus should have ended" videos.

Yes, Prometheus had its flaws. Not enough to warrant the hate it gets I feel.

 People should put their money where their mouth is and go make the films they want to see...

Everyone's a director these days lol

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 3:22 PM

Lawrence of Arabia With all due respect, I think Ridley Scott would be better off if he made just one more good original sci fi movie instead of sequels and prequels. Covenant is not worthy of him. And I wish I could pull the trick of"not minding that it hurts", but watching Covenant hurts me and how!

RZA

OvomorphMember38 XPJun-27-2017 3:26 PM

@Joylitt

What about AC for you makes it hurt to watch?

Genuinely asking. I've seen it 4 times and wish more people had enjoyed it like I have. 

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 3:36 PM

RZA Well, I would say it is not "alien" enough. I think in the original movie from 1979 there were many things apart from the titular monster that were "alien", like the planet, even the Nostromo was eerie. "Prometheus" was mysterious, even though it ultimately failed to deliver on its promise. Covenant lacks the "awe" factor to me; the plot is perfunctory, and it made the Alien universe shrink.

RZA

OvomorphMember38 XPJun-27-2017 4:28 PM

joylitt, I see all your points and yea I can see how one might feel that way.

I think for me, while I love and praise the Alien'79 I dont hold myself to it where each movie from the franchise needs the "Alien" formula or else it wont feel Alien enough like you say.

 Funny thing is while I love AC a lot and have no real complaints... now that I think about it, my only gripe would be that is TOO much like Alien'79 and doesn't feel enough like Prometheus! LOL AC didn't feel all that original.

Aside from all the horrific moments and tension...

What I love most about Alien Covenant I think are the moments of exposition. Davids prologue scene with Shaw, his conversations with Weyland, Walter and Oram. These moments are what really bring me into the movie and this universe Ridley is creating.

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 5:55 PM

RZA I don't like formulaic concepts neither. Prometheus was a step in the right direction... but I think the franchise is drifting away from sci-fi and delving into fantasy territory now. I don't think Ridley Scott ever actually read a science fiction book, and that is ok, but be needs to surround himself by real sci fi writers.  

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 5:55 PM

The Chariots of the Gods and Paradise Lost are not Sci fi. As far as the Blade Runner sequel is concerned, I really have my doubts that they bothered to go back to Philip K. Dick's work.

RZA

OvomorphMember38 XPJun-27-2017 6:11 PM

joylitt I wonder how different AC would have been had Lindelof and Spaights worked on it.

Lawrence of Arabia

ChestbursterMember936 XPJun-27-2017 6:22 PM

For the religious aspect of Covenant, books like The Chariots of the Gods and Paradise Lost, I feel were concepts from Prometheus which was half the merge that resulted in Covenant. Besides, since Alien 3, religion has a part in the Alien lore so it fits imo.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPJun-27-2017 6:28 PM

Lawrence of Arabia A bit OT but you made an interesting point that I had not considered. Alien 3 is hated by many yet ironically brought religion into the franchise for the first time and has been part of it since Prometheus.

joylitt

NeomorphMember1541 XPJun-27-2017 6:29 PM

RZA you know what? I actually think Covenant would have been much better with Lindelof on board

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