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Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPJun-20-2017 7:57 AM

What if all of the answers we have for Sir Ridley could be summed up by David's conversation with Charlie Holloway?  Dr. Holloway tells David we made him 'Because we could.'  David asks him if that answer from the Engineer/His Creator would also be disappointing?

Why did you kill the Engineers, "Because we could."

Any other question I can come up with, "Because we could."

To be totally honest, that is disappointing to me, as well.

Anyway, feel free to expound/express disdain, etc.

That is why this site is not disappointing!!

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BigDave

DeaconMember10115 XPJun-20-2017 8:07 AM

Holloway claimed and well Mentioned we (Mankind) created David because we could but this is no 100% the Full Answer.

Here is why David was created

*His Creation was a Milestone Achievement for Peter Weyland, he had created Artificial Being in our likeness.  That would give Weyland a Legacy.

*This creation and achievement made him feel that he himself had now become a God because he has created Humanoid Life who is indistinguishable to a Human but also Far Superior in every way.  So Weyland would think he has even Surpassed Gods Creation.

*Ultimately the Androids were created to Serve Mankind, to perform Tasks and Duties, so that Mankind no longer has to do such tasks, which could include Tasks that would be Dangerous or Distressing for a Human.

These 3 i believe are the reasons for Davids creation it was never 100% because we could... but it does show that we could do it because we could.

If we look at those 3 Reasons.... i think in someway we can apply these to why the Engineers Created us, and indeed why those LV-223 Engineers were also created.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPJun-20-2017 8:14 AM

@BigDave - Thank-you for the additional thoughts!  I know we may never get the exact reason for this, but this is what I had hoped Shaw was going to find out for us in Prometheus 2?

These huge questions are why I am still talking about Prometheus to this day!

BigDave

DeaconMember10115 XPJun-20-2017 8:14 AM

I think Holloways Conversation sums up a lot, i think its a important point to consider....  You see if these David Androids and Walter prove to be not so ideal and somewhat a disappointment, flawed, showing signs they would not 100% Serve Mankind without any hesitation/question and have their own Agendas.

Would Mankind Pulling the Plug on the David Models and Destroying them be considered a Cruel Act? As to us they are just really TOOLS... they have no Soul and are insignificant and highly expendable.

So having Mankind decide to get rid of all those Androids, and maybe then REPLACE them with Improved ones/Start Again in order to Iron out the Flaws of the previous Models that proved to be a Risk/Threat or not Sub-servant as intended, is something we would certainly do with little remorse.

This Line of Thinking is maybe what the Engineers thought about Mankind.  For them wiping out a our whole Race on Earth would to them only be like us sending back a Brand of Toasters because they proved a Faulty Health Risk.

Maybe those beings on Paradise are our Replacements.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPJun-20-2017 8:19 AM

@BigDave - Now we are really getting somewhere with this!!  I think this is what David may have discovered about the Engineers when he spoke of 'Their ways' during 'The Crossing'?

Fantastic & Thank-you!!

BigDave

DeaconMember10115 XPJun-20-2017 8:41 AM

Indeed i can understand....  it was pretty evident why we was to be destroyed in Prometheus... that answer was basically covered.

But we did not 100% find out why we was created...  But Holloways Response to David was maybe a hint but it must be more than just that...

Jon Spaights however gives us Clues... he mentioned regarding his draft that the Engineers at one time had he ability to Procreate and Create Life, but they lost this ability over time and had to resort to other means to Seed/Pass on then Genetics.

The Deleted Prometheus Elder Scene was much longer and had more dialog which we have not seen apart from ONE Engineer Sentence, where the Elders says the following before handing over the Sacrificial Cup/Bowl

" Let your body become the dirt! Your blood become the waters. May your soul become their way back to us"

So there may have been a reason for our Creation to the greater Agenda of their kind.... i think if they at one point had evolved past the point of needing Procreation.. for Example had Advanced their Bodies to be able to heal/immune to most Diseases and illness and had Engineered themselves to live for Thousands if not Hundreds of Thousands of years... then maybe Evolution would take Hold and the Ability to Procreate could be Lost and they become Sterile.

If this happened on Earth, and then Millions of years down the line there was only a Single Sex or Males and could not Procreate Sexually... then Cloning would be a option but a Clone would be just a Copy and Cloning a Clone could lead to Problems.

So a Race of Men or Females who Evolved like this and lost the ability to Procreate or more important had lost FEMALES would certainly explain a need to Seed Worlds in the hope of Creating from Scratch Humanoids so that eventually we have FEMALES and if The Engineers are a Match to us... then maybe they could Harness Human Females to allow them to Procreate once again?

This fits in with Genesis 6:4

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown"

RS did refer to the Engineers as Fallen Angels.... he also mentioned when he announced Alien Paradise Lost (4 weeks before name change to Covenant) that "you had One Guy who was pretty Handsome, he went to all the Parties and got all the Girls"  in Reference to the Engineers, while "you had another not so Handsome Guy who stayed at home being boring"

The Engineer did look very interesting in Dr Shaw... in the deleted Scenes.

The choice of Entry of the Gods into Valhalla in connection to Das Rheingold Opera also has Female Connections.... The Dwarf Alberich lusted for Female Maidens..... The Giants in that Tale Lusted for Females, and Gods too.... for these Characters Gold/Power and Females was what they lusted for... in many Cultures and Tales its also what Man Desires but also Male Gods.

If we go to the Mural in Prometheus which celebrates the Deacon Type Organism.... we need to look at Baring a Chest Buster is a way that a Male can Grow inside of them Life and Give Birth to this Life..... in effect a form of Perverted and Horrific Child Birth...

I think for a Race who lost the Ability to Bare Children, because of No Females... then seeing them able to create Life via a Xeno-Life Cycle would be seen as very important to this Race.

But alas Paradise had Female Engineers, but these beings did not look 100% like our Prometheus Engineers and they was also only Human Height.....  maybe they are Hybrids...

I would think if these Engineers had obtained Females and then introduced them into their Civilization to Procreate with them over and over Generation by Generation those Engineers would become more Human than Engineers and this is what it appears we have on Paradise in AC.

Because if these beings are Engineers who are Millions of years old and had Females all this time, we have to wonder why they created and Seeded Humanoid Life?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

sherris

ChestbursterMember516 XPJun-20-2017 8:43 AM

BD - I love the idea that those beings on Paradise were our replacements!!

I never looked at it that way but the idea could open up the universe with its profound statement. 

This could mean we have to explore the possible reasons as to why the Elders thought we were a failed experiment and what their vision looks like.

My thoughts were that we were set for destruction due to our behaviour or "our ways", those being needless wars and constant death and cruelty around the planet due to our nature.

But i have to ask.....

Was it because we were too clever? or advancing too quickly?

I say this because the beings in Paradise are without their own technology and it is rumoured they dont have glass in the buildings

Now if the elders wanted them for something other than sacrifice, why are they not allowed or have advancements which could help them with medicine, disease etc..

If they wanted them for soldiers they would train and feed them, give them the tech.

Are they for experiment?

I just wonder of the conditions the Elders have them living in, is almost as if they are holding them back. It could be more than: religion is all we need to be happy.

 

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPJun-20-2017 8:56 AM

David may not have wanted them to use 'Their Ways' with his girlfriend, Elizabeth Shaw, so he killed them all!!

Ripleys_Ghost

FacehuggerMember210 XPJun-20-2017 9:46 AM

I think that the "because we could" answer is disappointing and a result of bad writing.  People only do things because there is some personal benefit to them.

Kethol

ChestbursterMember511 XPJun-20-2017 10:14 AM

People definitely do NOT only do things because there is a  personal benefit to them.

Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPJun-20-2017 11:38 AM

@Kethol - I totally agree with you! 

Peter Weyland only backed the trip to LV-223, because he hoped it would personally benefit him & he got what was coming to him!

Ellen Ripley saved Newt from the Queen, because she is a badass, who cares for someone more than herself!

*Altruism is still alive & well, despite the agenda-driven-attention-getter types constant desire to be in the headlines!*

Ripleys_Ghost

FacehuggerMember210 XPJun-20-2017 1:04 PM

...but they all got something out of it for themselves.  ...even if they helped others.  Again, implying that people do things based on no motivation is just bad writing ...it makes the characters lack depth.

Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPJun-20-2017 2:07 PM

@Ripleys_Ghost - Agreed!  Yes, people in the ALIEN character world are a bit self-motivated, to say the least!

BigDave

DeaconMember10115 XPJun-20-2017 3:31 PM

@sherris

Indeed there are a number of ways this can be explored, a number of ways it can tie into Ancient Mythos etc

We need to look at why Creation happened in Hierarchy of things in Religions and Mythos.... The Abrahamic Religions have it that Gods Creation was the Angels, but after these Angels proved to be a failed Creation due to the more Freedom Lucifer/Satan was given.. that caused Rebellion , God decided to Create Man and then give man companionship in a Female.... this proved to lead to a down fall... because the Female was tricked by Satan... and upon Eating the Forbidden Fruit, Adam was not so tricked... he knew that Eve was Forsaken... and he had grown to be Fond and Love her and could not live without her and so he also then Sinned so they can be together.... so Gods new creation had been granted via Satan again Forbidden Knowledge and proved to be in disobedience to GOD again.

So GOD created Mankind as a 2nd attempt after the Angels proved to have Flaws...

The Annunaki Mythos has a different view on the Hierarchy, where the lower caste Gods the Igigi (Angels) was created to Toil for the Gods in Mining for Gold... when they Rebelled, Mankind was created to replace them for this task.

in each case.. and the same can be said with other Mythos/Religions... we see the GOD/Gods create, that prove rebellious and then we se either... God creates a replacement that proves Rebellious or the Rebellious lower Castes overthrow the Hierarchy and Sub-Create and the Sub-create Rebels and we have in either case a constant Hierarchy of Creation/Rebellion.

We can see this theme Playing out in Prometheus/Alien Covenant.

It appears those Engineers/Beings on Paradise are kept within a similar Technology Level to Ancient Mankind at the times the Engineers visited and left the Star Maps... YES Paradise has some Technology but this is where the Ancient Astronaut theories can apply to Many Ancient Pyramids etc as being Ancient Places of Sacrifice and Docking Stations for our Alien Creators to Dwell and Drop down to Visit us.

I am not sure if we was too clever... but i do think they did Fear the Potential of us being Rebellious and Evolving and so i feel our Destruction in part was a Result of FEAR by those Engineers.

As for the Sacrificial Purpose... the Hanger in AC has Statues that look like the Buddha Offering Statues.. so i will draw you to this image i uploaded a few Months ago.

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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