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THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY IN THE ALIEN UNIVERSE

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Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 5:40 PM

Okay, so we know that the Engineers are a galaxy-spanning people, and their influence extends beyond our one galaxy.
That said, it's a safe bet that the Engineers David bombed were just an isolated settlement, perhaps a colony established to support and supply the outpost on LV-223.

The differences in Engineer physical appearance can be easily explained by hypothesizing a Genetic-based Caste system. However, I am more inclined to whitewash the SfX budget limitations that gave rise to the 'different-looking' Engineers seen in ALIEN: Covenant and simply assume them to be the same as the ones seen in PROMETHEUS. Now, some points I am filling in by logic and assumption as movies are pretty hemmed-in by time and budget.

Humanity has mucked around on LV-223, and it's a safe assumption that some degree of automation like an alarm system or simple environmental monitoring-alert systems took note of the Prometheus crew's arrival and explorations, possibly sending a signal to the appropriate authorities in the Engineer Hegemony.
It's logical to assume this given how volatile the Pathogen is, and how much of it is kept on LV-223.
Some time later, one of their outlying colonies goes 'dark', and again we can presume some kind of automated catastrophe-alert system sent off a message. We have such things today in the real world and our technology is very primitive compared to the Engineers.

Also, having such in-place makes sense, same as it does on our world.

Sooner or later, the Engineers are going to be very invested in getting some answers, and they will likely consider themselves to be on a 'war' footing, however everything that has transpired thus far simply adds fuel to their reason and decision to exterminate Humanity, and hunt down David.
Humanity's future in the ALIEN universe must by definition involve a stand-up civilization- to-civilization contact with the Engineers and if Humanity thinks it can even begin to fight a war vs them, that's just absolute foolishness.

Humanity will have to accept any and all limitations imposed on it by the Engineers, or face extermination. If Humanity wants a future, it will have to fight, but do so very cleverly, and it will take generations as the Engineers are a truly vast enemy with all the advantages on their side. The only way Humanity can 'win' (survive) is by playing quiet, stealthy, clever strategies for generations until it has achieved the means to decapitate Engineer civilization in a single and annihilative stroke where the Engineers have no chance for a last-act deathblow.

What do you think?

This line of thought Inspired by this Thread and posts found on it:
Where we are at heading into the next instalment. (Some Novelisation content)

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Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 8:29 PM

dk

Tdby is just another troll, out looking for a fight and picked the wrong forum to wander into.

He probably expected the usual rage-behaviour found in other forums, which is quite different in how things are handled here.

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dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 8:32 PM

To paraphrase Wonka- the tension is mounting- I hope it continues!

dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 8:34 PM

Tdby If it is "np" why bother defending yourself? Guilty about something?

I.Raptus

ModeratorPraetorianJun-09-2017 8:37 PM

Blackwinter-witch

"There's a whole forum of folks here as witnesses that I never once referenced Turkey, in any way or form."

Yes, know we have your back on that. 

I still cant decide if this dude is legit, or just taking the piss. His story and mannerism's are all over the shop

dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 8:43 PM

IRaptus I could be wrong, but sometimes the ones who brag the most have done the least.

dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 8:49 PM

Tdby Report me to Admin.

dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 8:57 PM

Tdby You already called me out publicly. Report me as well. What makes you assume my gender?

dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 9:08 PM

Tdby For all you know for your stated 15 years of age, I or anyone here could be more woman than you could handle or more man you could ever hope to be.

dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 9:20 PM

Tdby Pinky promise?

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 9:44 PM

IRaptus

TY for saying!!

Yeah I'm kinda confused by this Tdby also. He attacks me, and quite viciously in PMs, then backs off....I think he realized he was in error??

I dunno, I'm just checking in on a freak from getting some kittieh-free work done on ALIEN: Manticore.

I LOVE our kittiehz, but they are NOT as much 'help' as they think they are in writing or editing. :D

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I.Raptus

ModeratorPraetorianJun-09-2017 9:51 PM

No worries Blackwinter-witch

dk that goes for you too, supposedly threatening him. We got your back.

Yeah im still confused. His story changes every 5 minutes its hard to keep up lol. But his posts have a way of quickly derailing threads. 

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 9:51 PM

Tdby

It would be best if you withdrew from this Thread.

You've attacked me, you've attacked my friends and supporters of my writing efforts...and you've ended up on the wrong side of more people than just on this Thread, I have found out.

If you want to fight, go somewhere else, that's not what this thread or forum or website is about.

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Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 9:55 PM

IRaptus

I've invited him to leave this thread, and he should stay off my other threads because I am getting really tired of how he derails topics and attacks people for whatever reason is rattling around inside his head.

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dk

MemberTrilobiteJun-09-2017 9:56 PM

IRaptus No worries. There was no threat- only facts and observations. Those tend to make the guilty feel threatened- that is their problem. Just look at the posts.

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 10:00 PM

Tdby

Yes I did reference Iran and Arabia, as they are well-known nations for persecuting LBGT people.

You said you're Turkish, yet you get REALLY upset I mentioned Iran and Arabia...so maybe you're lying about being Turkish?

Whatever, I don't care.

If you cannot understand what I said, that's YOUR damn problem, and as for you telling me what to do and telling me to shut-up and such??

Yeah, NOT YOUR PLACE to do so!!

DON'T make me have to remind you again!

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Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 10:11 PM

Tdby

Whatever.

You attack me repeatedly, NOW you finally admit you misunderstood what I said, and aren't courteous enough to apologize?

Well, considering how you've treated me, you won't be getting an apology from me, though I was prepared to offer one in the spirit of moving past the misunderstanding.

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Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 10:41 PM

Tdby

Very well, then.

Apology accepted.

I give you my sincere apology in return for the misunderstanding between us. :)

I'm very glad things are better now between us. :)

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I.Raptus

ModeratorPraetorianJun-10-2017 2:59 PM

So, after a marathon band practice then coming home straight to bed I haven't been on here for close to 18 hours. I see the average online users have dropped by 30........??

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-10-2017 3:23 PM

IRaptus

More than that I'm afraid, but that would be normal post-release lull. as I write this i'm looking at 148 now online.

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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerJun-10-2017 4:32 PM

Hmm that was different... Yes i think people have lost interest due to the whole situation... pity...anyway back to the thread...

Well yes one of the biggest problems with these film's has been the lack of realistic scale. Imagine what we could be doing in only 200 years say. As long as no disaster happens our weapons would be devastating. So if engineers are millions of years ahead then why almost no change. From what i have seen so far i would put the Prometheus black engineer at possibly 250 or so years ahead of us technologically if we had no disasters of course.  And the ones in AC ... well the same but they look like they had a disaster or something to set them back. 

 

And are we sure the engineers have been to other galaxies? I mean our galaxy is 100000 light years across is pretty big and yes there are small dwarf galaxies near us at  26000 light years up to hundreds of thousands of light years away but the nearest large galaxy is Andromeda at 2.54 million light years away :O and is over twice as big as our milky way.  The universe is huge and we are still unsure how big it is in total... some life forms could be billions of years ahead evolutionary and look at us like we do to bacteria. The scale could be enormous... millions of different stages of evolution... etc.... but none of it seems to appeared even with Ridley talking about it... :(

 

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-10-2017 5:54 PM

djamelameziane

All really good points you brought up, and I've been thinking a lot about them myself. There's some huge holes in the fabric of the ALIENverse storyline and narrative, too much is left unsubstantiated or supported and leaves the whole franchise looking off-balance.

That said, the Engineers might not be as gifted with rapid technological development as we (Earth Humanity) are, which would explain some things, partially.

From a writing perspective, it makes things pretty tough, as one has to extrapolate a LOT with as best logic as one can muster to try to build supports off what there is for telling a decent story. Canon is seriously messed-up in this franchise now, and there's glaring illogical inconsistencies that give people like me serious headaches in trying to work around.

That all said, the future of Humanity in the ALIENverse must logically at some point mean a time of conflict versus the Engineers, because if all that's happened in PROMETHEUS and ALIEN: Covenant thus far had occured to Human-owned worlds, imagine how we'd react?
Someone broke in to a biohazard-marked R&D site?
They stole a ship from that facility loaded with WHAT??
What happened to the colony on 'paradise'? We get a high-level Biohazard Incident alert then it went dark!!

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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerJun-10-2017 11:55 PM

Yes many questions :) . And with 100 to 400 billion estimates on number of stars in our galaxy and way more planets it's a good chance they haven't visited them all. Especially if there are other races out there. 

Ai / robots even biological alteration is theorized / already speeding up evolution changes taking days / months instead of hundreds of thousands / millions of years.

So yes the engineers must have a reversal of progress in place.  Religion? Elders? Disasters? Anyway I've been disappointed so far but also impressed and it's very interesting if done well so I'm hoping for more even so...

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-11-2017 12:03 AM

djamelameziane

Well, with my little story, I'm attempting to undo the damage done to the franchise and give fans some cool things to think about.

And as you say, the Immensity is there, an open tableau that the scriptwriters FOX keeps hiring just ignores.
I am so sick of everything always revolving around Zeta II Reticuli and Earth...there's a LOT of other places to go and find cool, scary stuff at.

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djamelameziane

MemberFacehuggerJun-11-2017 12:25 AM

Yes I've been tempted to do a basic graphic novel version but where to start just using alien as canon maybe hmm... just got too much on right now...

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-11-2017 12:29 AM

djamelameziane

Writing, is something you have to Make time for, I've learned.

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I.Raptus

ModeratorPraetorianJun-11-2017 1:47 AM

Blackwinter-witch & djamelameziane agreed, even if its just a little a day to keep things ticking over or keep the skills sharp.

I squeeze writing in every moment i get between work, covers band (also work) and an inquisitive 1 year old daughter...its not easy, but its worth pursuing. My wife is very accommodating too :)  

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-11-2017 2:16 AM

IRaptus

Yeppers, that's what Life and Writing is like. :)

I get all the housework and errands done in the mornings, then have the afternoons for writing, and evenings-ish, depending on many and varied variables.

Hubby well, when we got married he told me that it was entirely my choice if I wanted to be a stay in housewife to work on my writing, and he's supported and encouraged since the start.

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Svanya

AdminPraetorianJun-20-2017 7:29 AM

I know this is over a week old but i'm just seeing it now.

I just want to make sure everyone knows if there's any drama or problems to please PM me, it's what i'm here for. No need to have good posts derailed and members upset here, PM me and i'll listen. 

 

Blackwinter-witch

MemberPraetorianJun-20-2017 10:22 PM

Lilly (Svanya)

Thank-you, Lilly!! Always nice to know there's someone watching our backs! :)

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