Hicks/Hudson
MemberFacehuggerJun-08-2017 11:41 AMOK, so if I were writing this stuff, with Prometheus as my guideline as the origin, here's what my explanations for things would be.
Elizabeth Shaw had intercourse with an infected Holloway. He inadvertently passed along some of his infection to her. The Trilobite that she later removed was a product of her reproductive system being manipulated by the black goo, causing the normal egg/fetus to become that mess.
After escaping with David and re-attaching his head and bonding and having a jolly good time, David places her in hyper-sleep, knowing full well she is infected to a different degree than Holloway (Holloway ingested the substance, fully mutating his DNA on a circulatory system level, Shaw's exposure was through intercourse, altering her at a slower/different rate?)
He kills the Engineers out of spite, because he had indeed fallen in love with Shaw, proceeds to have the ship crash onto the planet. The "goo bomb" that decimated the Engineers goes airborne, infecting the planet and changing the flora and fauna. David, being able to read their language, discovers their history, their experiments, and their culture. He discovers that the Engineers were on a path to create something of a perfect design, one of which he discovers requires beings that resemble humanity in order to create (the mural from Prometheus explained). He leaves Shaw asleep because he knows her, she would be angry at him for destroying them before she could get her answers.
Now knowing that the Engineers created humanity and then wishing to destroy them for reasons unclear (they possibly felt that their creations would one day want to rise up against their makers?), David fully understands humanity's distaste for himself and synthetics (same thing, humanity made them, may one day wish to destroy them for fear of synthetics replacing humans).
He proceeds to manipulate the goo to his own desires, playing a sort of God because if the Engineers creations (humanity) can create things (himself and all synthetics), what could he create? He uses the parasite laying wasp as a starter. He then moves on to the plant life. Then he remember's good old Elizabeth, with a mini goo factory already working inside of her, still asleep. He brings her out of hyper-sleep, lies to her that the Engineers are all dead, she discovers he is lying, sends the "John Denver" distress call, then he incapacitates her.
He then experiments using her reproductive system, mutating her eggs into the larger Ovomorphs we end up seeing (makes sense if you think about it. Human eggs are produced in ovaries, inside those eggs is the genetic material that becomes a fetus. Ovomorphs house facehuggers or possibly trilobites?) She is in essence, the first "queen".
The process is too much for her frail human body, and she succumbs to the experimentation's. David performs an autopsy, learns of how the goo works deep within a human host. He then realizes he needs more human hosts to continue what the Engineers left off on...the perfect organism. To his luck, he'll be able to continue on with it in around 10 years or so.....
Sci-fi fans, what do you think!?
K-Theory
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2017 12:14 PMNo, he is not homosexual, Tdby. He is a narcissist, which is why he kissed Walter.
suwhited
MemberFacehuggerJun-08-2017 12:19 PM@Tdby. I know you mean well...
but "homo" in the vernicular that you are using is going to offend some folks.
Anyways, David kissed him not because he was attracted to same sex, (As if Robots have erotic feelings one way or the other), but because he was trying to express his superior ability to emotionialize to Walter
cryofodder
MemberOvomorphJun-08-2017 12:47 PMThis storyline seems plausible enough to me. Shaw is just a human - might as well experiment.
Barf The Mog
MemberFacehuggerJun-08-2017 1:15 PM@Hicks/Hudson
Yep, well done! and that's similar to my hypothesis as well.
Although, David's love for Shaw was like a son loving a mother, since he only knew of his father, mean Mr. Weyland, David had never felt true human compassion before.
Didn't David refer to Charlize Theron's character as "mother?" but with great disdain due to his servant duties.
One thing I picked up on, and I'm sure others did as well - AI's in the ALIEN universe seem to react when their mistreated, you can tell Oram was annoying Walter on the ship, as if his supreme intelligence was being undermined by Oram's request to further understand the random neutrino blast.
@Tdby - David, not "Davit" does not have a sexual preference unless programmed to, and as a robot, he does not have a gender other than what we perceive "David" to be from his lifelike attributes. The use of that word is derogatory and unacceptable.
Ranting Xeno
MemberFacehuggerJun-08-2017 3:44 PMUse a laptop/keyboard, bud. You clearly don't know how to write meaningful text into a phone. Assuming that drivel was due to phone typing...
If it was keyboard typed, I hope you have stayed clear of poisoning the gene pool and plan to continue doing so.
Back on topic:
I still maintain David didn't kill Shaw. She died, yes. He cut her to shit, undeniable. Did he kill her in cold blood? I sincerely doubt it. Those that read my review will know what I think.
Ripleys_Ghost
MemberFacehuggerJun-08-2017 4:35 PMLOL. People flipping out about sexual orientation and/or gender assignment of a robot. What is this? Reddit?
dk
MemberTrilobiteJun-08-2017 4:41 PMRemember when the Prologue came out and some were accusing Hollywood of pushing a gay agenda based on the gay couple kissing? That made for some interesting posts to read.
Ripleys_Ghost
MemberFacehuggerJun-09-2017 11:19 AMNice to see that David finally came out of the closet though. Michael ASSbender did a great job in the role.
Hicks/Hudson
MemberFacehuggerJun-09-2017 11:50 AMOy.
I could care less about who he falls in love with. And that's my point. The movies, this thread, and to be honest this site has lost focus. I may go into hibernation or just delete my account altogether at this point.
colonialsoldier
MemberFacehuggerJun-09-2017 11:58 AM@DK, that is the new normal since gay marriage was passed in the US. Every show now has to have a gay character to satisfy the LGBT community. Most have rolled with the punches and many have been turned off by it and that does affect the box office. It happened with the Last Trek and changing the cast of Ghostbusters to all-female. If it is for gratuitous sake, then it serves no purpose whatsoever.
Ranting Xeno
MemberFacehuggerJun-09-2017 3:57 PM@Tdby. Apologies for my post last night. It was uncharacteristically personal. I'm usually fairly blunt but it's unusual for me to rant at anyone. At things, at movies, at society in general - often. At people, not so much.
I made an assumption, I thought you well trolling...I was wrong. I'm not too proud to admit it. I apologise if I caused offense or distress. I realise now there is simply a language barrier...and feel bad for not checking your profile and historical posts before commenting.
Again, apologies.
Take care,
RX
Blackwinter-witch
MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 4:15 PMQUOTE
@DK, that is the new normal since gay marriage was passed in the US. Every show now has to have a gay character to satisfy the LGBT community. Most have rolled with the punches and many have been turned off by it and that does affect the box office. It happened with the Last Trek and changing the cast of Ghostbusters to all-female. If it is for gratuitous sake, then it serves no purpose whatsoever.
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Speaking as a Bisexual woman I agree with you completely.
Also, it's really damned unlikely any of my works will ever feature any characters created solely to satisfy the LGBT shriekers (whom are a bunch of shameless hypocrites I cannot stand and who are setting the cause regarding Equality back every damned time they open their mouths, they're as bad or worse than Nazis).
Reason? I won't be bullied, by anyone or anything on this planet, and especially not by some bunch of shrieking, discriminatory, hypocritical klowntards.
NO I have nothing nice to say about the LGBT 'community' and it's doubtful I ever will. I get attacked quite often for being Bisexual and OMG, married to a *gasp* MAN!!
I don't yield to nor appease bullies, I never will and especially will not be bullied into what to write.
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
Tiwaz
MemberChestbursterJun-09-2017 4:22 PMSpeaking as a german. Jeez, such a fuss bout gays and what not. Is it really that bad "over there"?
Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.
Blackwinter-witch
MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 4:35 PMIt wouldn't be so bad if the Nazi-esque LGBT bunch would start behaving like mature adults and respect people's choices.
They claim to do so, yet I experiance MANY attacks (some physical) for being Bisexual and married to a man.
Basically, the LGBT bunch is the Problem. They're fascist bullies who think they have a free license to act as they please and get EXTREMELY vicious when defied.
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
colonialsoldier
MemberFacehuggerJun-09-2017 4:42 PM@Blackwinter, I appreciate the response and respect that you are honest with your sexual orientation. I been married for 22 years and my wife is a die-hard catholic. She has nothing against LGBT but she just gets turned off that every sitcom and TV show has to make a reference to it. I have two daughters and taught them how the world is and about tolerance and acceptance (even though its not shown from both conservatives and liberals) and told them to live their lives as they please.
Tiwaz
MemberChestbursterJun-09-2017 4:45 PMWe even had a gay foreign minister, couple of years ago. Whats the big deal? Sure we also have these "agressive minority representatives" but those usually shoot their own foot by tearing down walls that don't even exist. *chuckles* Was für'n Schwachsinn...
Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.
Blackwinter-witch
MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 4:50 PMI know how your wife feels, as it's an aspect of the bullying nature of the LGBT bully-mob and how they insist on meddling and wedging their agenda into people's faces, I just can not call them a 'community' as they truly are not such, by definition. They are discriminatory, and absolutely IGNORE the plight of LGBT people in overseas nations facing persecution by their governments and religious authorities.
GOOD advice to your daughters!! That's how I live my life, I refuse to bend to anyone's pressure tactics.
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
Blackwinter-witch
MemberPraetorianJun-09-2017 4:55 PMOver here the 'aggressive minority representatives' are quite dangerous and have significant impact on things in government at all levels.
In short, they're a bunch of power-hungry asstards using the LBGT agenda fo their own ends.
If they TRULY cared about LBGT people, then why do they never speak up about the LBGT people overseas being persecuted and killed by their governments and religious authorities??
Ask the LBGT 'community' that and you ignite a hate-fest complete with torches and pitchforks.
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
Tiwaz
MemberChestbursterJun-09-2017 5:11 PMTrue in some countries your "orientation" can be a problem.
But from sound of what you just said its a problem over there too, just kinda "the other way 'round". One would assume that "North America" had a more "level headed" approach in this matter.
But let us not derail this thread any further. ;)
Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.
K-Theory
MemberOvomorphJun-09-2017 5:29 PMNazi redneck xenophobes ... Hmm, very interesting combinations you can find on Stormfront ...
WARNING: YOU WILL LOSE 50-100K NEURONS UPON VISITING THE SITE.
Tiwaz
MemberChestbursterJun-09-2017 5:34 PMTdby, I know you're turkish and am well aware of the difference.
And I did not mean you or your country when I said "True in some countries your "orientation" can be a problem".
And i believe neither did BlackwinterWitch.
Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.
Tiwaz
MemberChestbursterJun-09-2017 5:39 PM@K-Theory
Hehe XD
Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.
BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-09-2017 5:54 PMTo the OP...
I think indeed in part if not more this is a good Analysis i am not sure if Shaw was suffering any infection problems as she had long hair which seems to show at least 6 Months Growth from Prometheus and so i think she looked unwell (Crossing Prologue) due to limited Nutrition, i do think her Eggs may have been a big part in the Xenomorph Eggs (Movie shows, not the Novel) and i think she may have at some point been infected by the Spores and then David then used her body for experiments, which may include a Face Hugger and Removal of a Xenomorph and then Harvested her Eggs.
"Davit cant fall in lowe with shaw because he is homo if im not wrong"
I beg to differ, i think David did indeed Love Shaw, that went to being more than Platonic.. and he made Sexual Advances on to her and she rejected him and he then took this rejection wrong and this situation went bad fast... to the point Shaw may have tried to escape... and David either did something to her to injure/harm her or she got infected by the Spores.
I think he has developed Emotions and indeed has become a bit Sexually Curious... he did try it on with Daniels too and so by all accounts the Term Bisexual well Sexually confused comes to play.... and not straight up a Gay Robot...
I also am not sure where this Thread is going as far as to Religion, and Sexual Orientation and Preference, i think everyone has their own opinions and to be respectful to each others and hope this is what we shall see...
As i dont want to have to LOCK THIS THREAD DOWN As the OT raises some Good Points.
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