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David Uploaded His Programming into Walter

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Ripleys_Ghost

MemberFacehuggerMay-28-2017 8:53 PM

David Uploaded His Programming into Walter...

You will recall that Daniels stabs David in the chin with the nail pendant that she wears.  Note that the android that is aboard the ship at the end of the movie bears no such scar, indicating that the android chassis is that of Walter.  However, it is clear that David's A.I. now resides in the chassis of Walter once they are back on board the Covenant.

David's programming was either uploaded into Walter, or Walter's programming was "rolled back" to that of David, in a similar way that you can roll back MS Windows to a prior state after a software upgrade.

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianJun-01-2017 4:14 PM

You're most welcome Ripleys_Ghost.

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BigDave

MemberDeaconJun-01-2017 5:01 PM

Ridley Scott said that David had simply killed Walter and then just swapped clothes and cut his hand off...

The Mind Transfer would be hard to explain, as to how this would happen... i do think however the next movie would have David Rebuild a Walter from Parts on the Covenant and maybe then Transfer his Mind to it.

@Ingeniero

I dont think we can consider the book as Canon 100% because it offers a lot of things we dont see in the movie... but the Novel Certainly is interesting.

But i think a few things in the Novel will not apply to the Movie and how we are meant to interpret it.. still interesting though.

As this Scene would seem to imply that David transferred to Walter at a prior scene, unless the Fight Scene is placed at a different time-frame.  

Unless my memory of the movie fails me.. lol i have only seen it Twice So Far, the Person i was going to see it with a 3rd time decided to not bother...

I may go and see it again on my OWN.. Next Wednesday or Monday as i can get my Local Cinema for £4.50 a Ticket

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ripleys_Ghost

MemberFacehuggerJun-01-2017 9:34 PM

"You're most welcome Ripleys_Ghost."

Sorry that I didn't express my thanks for the research that you did and the effort that you put in explaining it, Ingeniero.   I didn't mean to be rude.  I was trying to get my head around the fact that the movie and book seem to come from different universes, and it's hard to connect the threads in the book to the strands of the film.

Ripleys_Ghost

MemberFacehuggerJun-01-2017 9:38 PM

"Ridley Scott said that David had simply killed Walter and then just swapped clothes and cut his hand off..."

Thanks a lot for the info, BigDave.  However, the android aboard the ship doesn't even look like David.  Walter's hair is darker; he has more lines on his face (he looks like a more realistic "human"), and again he's missing an injury to his face that David suffered.  Would David really have time to fix his voice box and dye his hair?

It's very, very difficult to argue a reference made by Sir Ridley himself.  However, he sometimes contradicts himself and reinterprets what happened in the film.  I sometimes wonder if he's a bit too stuck on in "retcon" mode.  In practical terms, the fans would be better served by an explanation of what they saw in the film, rather than his personal interpretation of it which is just his opinion.  But, again, it's hard to argue with Ridley's opinion... but, how do you get past what you actually saw, and what Ridley says that you saw?

We have four different continuities:

- The book
- The screenplay
- The movie
- Ridley's interpretations

 
"The Mind Transfer would be hard to explain, as to how this would happen... i do think however the next movie would have David Rebuild a Walter from Parts on the Covenant and maybe then Transfer his Mind to it."

Well, it's not a "mind" residing in the heads of those androids.  It's a compputer program.  It may have been no less hard than you or I moving a computer application onto a dongle; the androids aren't human, after all.

ali81

MemberNeomorphJun-01-2017 10:34 PM

I believe the point of the hair was that davids initial plan was to take walters place but knowing he may fail with plan A, appealing to walter to join the dark side and download david would be his fall back plan. either way david has won. regardless of body, david has left the planet and will continue his experiments

Gralen

MemberFacehuggerJun-02-2017 3:01 PM

The story is now so bended and forced, that i would not be surprised if RS says that David actually created the Engineers via time travel and eradicated the dinosaurs.

Spearfish

MemberFacehuggerJun-02-2017 4:34 PM

I didn't see a chin scar, but that wouldn't be the first oversight/plot hole in this film.  And his face, once on board was not healing in the same fashion as Walter's neck wounds did.  So I think that points to David being on board at the end.  How did Walter lose?  Did he choose to?  No, because he cared for Daniels and would know her fate.  One would think protocol would be for muther to report any non-crew on board, which would have picked up David and the xeno.  It's just a cluster-f of writing/editing.

Spearfish

MemberFacehuggerJun-02-2017 4:45 PM

In addition, there is a conflict in the portrayal of muthers intelligence.  Daniels is instructing muther to close certain doors to force it's path, and muther knew where it was at all times......so why not just tell muther to trap the damn thing in a corridor? 

Ripleys_Ghost

MemberFacehuggerJun-02-2017 4:58 PM

Gralen and Spearfish; thanks for your thoughts, and for pointing out that there are plotholes big enough to fly the Nostromo and it's attached refinery through.  It's unfortunate that the mystery of the David/Walter swap is created by the plot holes, and not through clever writing.

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianJun-02-2017 5:11 PM

"Sorry that I didn't express my thanks for the research that you did and the effort that you put in explaining it, Ingeniero.   I didn't mean to be rude."

I didn't take that as rude Ripleys_Ghost. I was sincere...We all are trying to tease out details from what "canon" content we have been given. Carry on with the good analysis.

BigDave, I can't argue too much about what is canon because the concept has been fluid mostly based on Ridley Scott quotes (beast, no beast "it's cooked"). I've got a theater near me too that I'll go alone to for $4.50 for my third watch this next week.

Pretty funny below Gralen.

"The story is now so bended and forced, that i would not be surprised if RS says that David actually created the Engineers via time travel and eradicated the dinosaurs."

Nice to see you back ali81.

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ali81

MemberNeomorphJun-03-2017 1:43 AM

thank u ingeniero, I was really having thoughts about deleting my profile but the best part about AC was the run up to the movie and spending time debating and theorising on here, so ur not rid of me just yet lol

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