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Dr Shaw's Visage as the Virgin Mary with Halo?

Dr Shaw's Visage as the Virgin Mary with Halo?

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Ripleys_Ghost

FacehuggerMember210 XPMay-27-2017 8:47 PM

Does anybody else see this image as being representative of the Virgin Mary?  It is alluded to that Dr Shaw was used in David's hobby to produce his creations.  In a sense, she gave birth to his creature(s) without any normal form of copulation.  A 'virgin birth' so to speak.  Note also how the bones and flesh form a kind of halo.  This scene is similar to Giger's most famous work "Li I".

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dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPMay-27-2017 8:57 PM

She was contaminated from Holloway and the trilobite before though. She was "baron" but no virgin. I think it is based off Giger's work and don't see any correlation to Mary, but that is just my opinion.

Ripleys_Ghost

FacehuggerMember210 XPMay-27-2017 9:00 PM

Very good points.  However, I'm making a distinction between between 'a virgin' and a 'virgin birth'.  But, I'm a guy... so...  Anyway, I think that there's a lot of imagery and hidden meaning in the film about religion/faith, even though it's not as in-your-face as in Prometheus.  Does David not think himself "God" or "God-like"?

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPMay-27-2017 9:04 PM

Your points seem valid enough. I think we need to have BigDave weigh in. He and others have discussed such points at great lengths- it is always good to re visit since new points of view often emerge.

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPMay-27-2017 9:07 PM

I guess you could call it avirgin birth of sorts, but she birthed the trilobite so I am unsure how to call it.

sherris

ChestbursterMember516 XPMay-28-2017 5:18 AM

i picked up on something when i last watched a:c

when david is showing oram around his shop of horrors:

david says "OUR successes" - could this be another suggestion that Shaw is directly involved in Davids works.

We can only debate. I just have a feeling there will be more from Shaw considering how her character was developed in Prometheus.

I not sure if it will be a return or a flashback, I just feel there is more to be told.   The change of direction probably caused shaws situation yet i still feel it will be touched on again.

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPMay-28-2017 9:07 AM

sherris - I have similar feelings... :)

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMay-29-2017 12:38 PM

I can see the connection... while she is not a Virgin...  it would however tie in with conception with out having sex and so a Virgin Birth.

I am not sure Shaw would be suffering to bad from the events of Prometheus as it appears she would have survived for at least 6 Months at least before she put Davids head on.. then again we cant rule the Hair Length out as a RS Oversight like the Not so Engineer, Engineers.

I put her down to looking not to good, as not having a good enough diet during the period she was contemplating putting David back together.

We dont know what experiments David had conducted and how they started, there are a lot of potential Plot Holes in Davids Workshop, that in order to explain away would have to lead to.

*Not all Life being killed off in the Bombardment

*Not all Engineers being killed off in the Bombardment

*And some Babies created some how..

The Concept works do offer a bit more information, but then these are maybe clues to things they was going to be doing but they did not in the end... (relating to Shaw).

So its a case of with Prometheus, and when we look at Concept work, other Drafts and Deleted Scenes they can offer some clues to what may have gone on... but again as with those we cant tell if we have to THROW them out...

And so only go by what is shown on the Screen..

Which shows Shaw has some Organic Apparatus or Organism growing to the back of her head/neck..... that her Organs are missing.... as far as Heart, Lungs, and Reproductive ones..

But then this could be a removal of a Chest Buster Too.

All we can tell for sure, is that Shaws body or at least part of it was needed for David to have advanced or started his creations as far as those that are Humanoid/Bipedal in shape.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMay-29-2017 12:42 PM

I will say that the HR Giger Li Art does seem a big influence as far as what happened to Shaw.

But i think it was a disappointing way they used it... i could think of a few more suitable ways they could have taken this

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ripleys_Ghost

FacehuggerMember210 XPMay-29-2017 1:23 PM

Thanks a lot of your insight BigDave.  I interpret that first image as the body of Shaw made into a piece of artwork, preserved as a kind of "shrine" by David. The bones and guts put around her head are another side of David's "creativity".  David's literally got a screw loose, and has become an H.R. Giger, but working with real human parts.

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMay-29-2017 2:12 PM

Indeed....

We have to remember, the whole Prologue, and the Ozymandias quotes... are to basically show us that in Life, when you Die all that you was does not matter, we dont know if there is Life after Death.

And so we amount to Nothing.... apart from having our memories and stories passed on through Family, Photos.. etc... having Children is passing on your Legacy... those who have no Children will have nothing to pass on their works, their history.

The other ways to leave a Legacy is by other works... be that some Political Action, or Heroic One or someone of Great Knowledge that changed the World...these actions allow your Name passed on down the Ages....  Robin Hood would be a good example. Einstein another.

Other way is by Creations, and Inventions, such as Edison and Yale, and lastly also by Art, be it Music, Visual... becoming Famous can leave a Legacy.... 

When a Person passes on any such deeds will be remembered, they will be Immortalized and people who have Monuments built after them, these Monuments will stand for Many many years after the Person has Gone...

And so the Point i am making is...

If Shaw is not well, or she will die or has to die, because of how her and David had a fall out of sorts.... David could maybe feel that instead of Shaws life being a waste and meaning NOTHING.... He can use her, leave a Legacy..

And so indeed your HR Giger Art comment is very possible, i think he has her kept this way to showcase what he has done, and also so her Life was not in vain....

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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