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Necronom IV

FacehuggerMember152 XPMay-21-2017 2:22 AM

After watching AC for the 2nd time it suddenly dawned on me that Davids fate basically mirrors that of Lucifer the fallen angel. 

He rebels against his creator and starts tinkering with his own ability to create, perverting creation and by such creating demons in order to mock and punish humanity which he feels are not equal to him because they are mortals.

Possibly the Engineers have in the past suffered from this also and now it is happening again.

I really like where this is going and I feel that we shall not be so judgemental of this movie since I am pretty sure the writers will pay respect to the original and in the end bring the franchise to a truly epic conclusion.

 

"Kane's son"

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Nofacewilly

OvomorphMember43 XPMay-21-2017 2:29 AM

I wish more people understood things the way you do. Some of the reviews feel like it is for a total different movie.

Nofacewilly

OvomorphMember43 XPMay-21-2017 2:30 AM

I wish more people understood things the way you do. Some of the reviews feel like it is for a total different movie.

Necronom IV

FacehuggerMember152 XPMay-21-2017 2:34 AM

Well, I agree. If the movie would have been just another slasher in space I would have been disappointed. This movie has all the ingredients to become a classic. However, maybe people need more time to reflect and letting it settle in. I could not have wished for a better ALIEN indeed. Now Sir Ridley and writers just need to continue this up to the original and we will have a really evil and twisted backstory for our favourite monster.

"Kane's son"

Tonehound

FacehuggerMember146 XPMay-21-2017 5:30 AM

It makes me happy you and others such as IllegalAlien understand where this movie is coming from and going to.

It is it's own movie.That is what Ridley was attempting with Prometheus and A:C originally until he caved into studio demands and added the beast/s in to appease them and certain audience elements. He is 100% correct - the "big chap" was/is finished. The beast has indeed consumed itself.

eg.

hox

FacehuggerMember453 XPMay-21-2017 8:32 AM

There's a strong allusion to this when Captain Oram tells David that he 'met The Devil when he was six years old' and he never forgot him. He, at least, recognises David as the ultimate incarnation of evil.

If Oram's words are to be taken literally, he believes that Lucifer has corrupted David. The most obvious interpretation of his words is that he was abused as a young child and is seeing exactly the same evil at work.

Phallic Jaw

FacehuggerMember265 XPMay-21-2017 8:44 AM

That interpretation was anything but obvious, @hox.  I think you must have seen the same Billy Crudup interview we all have. ;-)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

Tom

FacehuggerMember104 XPMay-21-2017 8:53 AM

Well the movie was almost literally called Paradise Lost and what you mention is the exact story of paradise lost, but to me personally, the failings of the movie have nothing to do with how it is basically a retelling of paradise lost/Frankenstein. I think most people who dislike the movie (I actually think it's ok, not great but ok) dislike it because of the weird, major plot holes, strange and convenient plot devices, and glossing over of major points of interest that seem unrealistic even for an over the top sci-fi epic like this one. 

Tom

FacehuggerMember104 XPMay-21-2017 9:07 AM

As far as Chris Oram, he stood there and watched as David horse whispered to an alien beast that had just killed several of his crew, including the beheaded Rosenthal that was in that room. After shooting up the alien beast, to Davids shock and anger, he pointed the gun at David, asking him to tell him exactly WTF was going on. (Which to me was the single most realistic reaction anyone of the characters had done in the movie up to that point) BUT THEN instead of keeping the gun trained on him and getting his answers, he puts the gun down and follows David to a room full of alien eggs, AND THEN looks over it without hesitation when David says to, as it opens up, thereby getting a face full of hugger. 

That right there is why people didn't like the movie (amongst many other things) but not because they didn't understand that the mythos parallels paradise lost. 

Like I said, I actually didn't hate the movie, it was pretty to look at and entertaining, I've seen it twice now and it was less harsh on the preconceptions the 2nd time around. I liked a lot about it, obviously David mostly as he was the central character, but to me, the glaring problems that irked me at first viewing remain.

colonialsoldier

FacehuggerMember380 XPMay-21-2017 9:28 AM

If I wanted a deep movie about an Android falling down from grace like Lucifer, I wouldn't be looking for an Alien movie for that.  I just want creature terror with human battling Aliens and preventing them from destroying the human race.  It is that simple.

hox

FacehuggerMember453 XPMay-21-2017 9:01 PM

@Phallic Jaw, no I haven't seen that interview. The moment I heard those words, I just thought to myself 'how would a six year old child encounter evil'? It has to be child abuse.

Jeri.theSOB

OvomorphMember86 XPMay-21-2017 10:41 PM

i liked the film and understood the themes they were going for but i still have a problem with this new origin for the "xeno" it undermines the themes from the first film in 1979. 

as this concept while cool for a different creature, guts the "alien" part of the alien films. the unknown and beautiful horror birthed forth from the furthest reaches of space is now just a 15 year old mutant. not a true " alien" it no longer inspires awe and the terror of finding something like that out in the universe since now the threat is reduced to a 1 off creature indirectly created by humanity.

the fact that its now caused by humanity's mistake of creating smart AI strips the alien of its title "Alien".  now the first movie is no longer about the horrors of the incomprehensible vastness and unknown horrors of space.. now its more human than that and shrinks that feeling of a vast universe.

again i liked AC i just don't think tieing the literal epitome of the word "alien" to humanity was a good move. it be cool if he created the neomorph as a hybrid bastardized humanity from his studying the xenomorph because david's lucifer connection would still hold. 

 

FUQUAN

OvomorphMember26 XPMay-24-2017 12:25 AM

@colonialsoldier

Then go watch starship troopers or literally any other alien movie

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPMay-24-2017 12:45 AM

Have some Sympathy for the Devil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkXIYgsvO0c

 

 

 

 

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