Alien: Covenant

Why do they kill

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Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 5:09 PM

Why do the neo and proto kill?  Why engage?  Engagement gets you shot.  Are they primal and dumb, or extremely hungry or just violent like a feline (that kill for fun)?.   We saw a neo eat, but the proto just kills.    I wonder if this is why a cat is in the other films as killing for them is sport?

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Grinning & Dropping Linen

FacehuggerMember245 XPMay-19-2017 6:35 PM

In Alien Directors cut there were not bugs crawling on Dallas... Him and Brett were both in that room and both were being egg morphed is what was happening... This has been confirmed

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 6:36 PM

Blackwinter - that is fair, as we saw the Neo's in their infancy, whereas the proto aged off screen.

splatterpunk

FacehuggerMember190 XPMay-19-2017 6:37 PM

Looked like bugs to me. Hmm, fine I haven't seen it in awhile. Then going by that aliens queen is bunk and shouldn't be cannon since the Xenos can turn people into eggs and no queen is necessary. Or it was a scene that didn't work and out was cut. See this is why I want a box set of just Scott's movies. 

Counting the directors cut as cannon then all David needs is one alien and he can morph everyone into eggs. 

Something doesn't seem right...

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPMay-19-2017 6:54 PM

Spearfish

The nasty remarks about hunting and such, I'm trying not to pursue. I and hubby hunt exclusively with a bow, or slingbow for small game and birds. Neither hubby nor I use guns when hunting, a missed shot clears the area of game, and it just feels wrong to us...impersonal.
That said, we are both very experienced in the use and care of firearms.

Now, before anyone gets 'uppity', stupid and hippy-dippy on me...
I'm a Native American, Blackfoot Nation as is Husband. When I hunt, or when hubby does, we aren't hunting for trophies, we're doing so to provide for our family and for others outside our family who depend on us doing so. It is an integral part of our culture going back many millenia. We do our best to keep our people's culture and identity alive, as will our children and theirs.
And just to say, not a scrap is wasted. Most people shy from eating organ meats and such,we do not.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 7:03 PM

Thanks.  I was raised on the land as well.  Same type of folk who would have been on the Covenant!

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPMay-19-2017 7:03 PM

@Blackwinter-witch    That is hunting the way it is intended and I will never have a problem with that. You are Native American that is awesome. This is your land and you shall do with it what you like. Sorry for us terrible white people who came here and stole your people's land. It is something that never should be forgiven, even though we didn't do it some form of our ancestors did. It is unforgivable.

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 7:19 PM

Umm...?  Blackwinter - good for you and your family.  Hunting is an important factor to understanding the value of life, and to teach it as well.  But this isn't the place for that conversation, so if anyone can tell me  how to delete this topic that would be great LOL.


I still think it's curious that we don't see the xeno/proto eat.  They are the poacher/trophy hunters as discussed above.  But whatever.

splatterpunk

FacehuggerMember190 XPMay-19-2017 7:54 PM

Well they are engineered from black goo and countless mutations. So possibly they were cross gene mutations of very violent and aggressive killing machines or whatever. They have been referred to as the perfect organism. Maybe David used very aggressive creatures, DNA of creatures or whatever, or maybe it's from the black goo.

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPMay-19-2017 8:01 PM

Hunting is natural. All living things must eat another living thing to survive. Plants are just as much alive as the wolf that stalks the deer. Mankind was designed to kill and eat other creatures - it is the simple, baseline truth. Nature is, and always will be, red in tooth and claw.

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 8:06 PM

Beyond humans, sharks could be called "perfect predators", but they kill to eat - hence predate..  I would think a perfect "organism" would monitor the food supply and not kill everything asap.  That approach wouldn't be so perfect.  Are they calculating and killing resistors?  That is an option but I don't see this on film.

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPMay-19-2017 8:09 PM

SPEARFISH - Perhaps the Alien is designed specifically to "wipe the slate clean"? It could be that its sole function is to erradicate life. :)

splatterpunk

FacehuggerMember190 XPMay-19-2017 8:09 PM

@spear that perfect organism killing machine is from alien movie cannon or franchise.

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 8:15 PM

Good point from a cannon perspective.  It just flys in the face of "perfect".  Perfect includes durability. 

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 8:25 PM

So, maybe the beast has a short lifespan, that is something the movies should have explained.   If so, the beast is a short term assassine.  That is a different film/plot.

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPMay-19-2017 8:28 PM

SPEARFISH - It could very well be that the Alien is hardwired to kill wantonly - without reasoning behind its actions.

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 8:37 PM

@Something Real:. It seems you are correct.  But I would argue with Ash the the beast is perfect.  It's not durable.

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPMay-19-2017 8:46 PM

SPEARFISH - I understand and wholeheartedly respect your stance. Perhaps being a "Perfect Predator" can also mean being able to kill time and time again swiftly and without detection - thus eliminating the need for high durability? Somewhat like a military assassin?

Spearfish

FacehuggerMember164 XPMay-19-2017 8:55 PM

Fair enough.  If it has no sense of self then we can conclude once it has an advantagous relationship with it's environment it goes towards reproduction vs killing.  Is it to much to ask for a book/movie  to explain this???

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPMay-19-2017 8:59 PM

Dr. Curt Connors

Forgiveness has and will always be an important, key and vital element of Native Culture.
TY for what you said, I appreciate it, but that was the past and these days we try to look toward the future.

That said, and getting back to Xenological Nutrition Choices... :D

I've been pestering hubby, and a friend of mine who has relevant Degrees, in how (pseudo-realistically) anything can grow so insanely fast.
Well, to grow, they all need to eat. Energy and material/structural requirements cannot be met by breathing. :D
That's hard physics, universe-wide.

They would have to possess nearly 100% efficient digestive systems, and extremely efficient metabolisms as well.
Their appetites would be constant, and would explain their extremely high levels of aggression.
Ever seen how ferocious a hungry weasel is? Same idea, just bigger, and with more drool. :)

They would have quite little emitted body heat as such a creature wouldn't be able to afford to waste so much energy, so they'd be room-temperature on average owing from the super-efficient metabolism.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPMay-19-2017 9:13 PM

@Blackwinter-witch    You're welcome

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPMay-19-2017 9:27 PM

DR. CURT CONNORS - The brush with which you paint leaves a very large stroke.

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPMay-19-2017 9:31 PM

@Something Real    Thank you

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPMay-19-2017 9:33 PM

DR. CURT CONNORS - May statement was a negative observation, not a statement of praise.

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPMay-19-2017 9:36 PM

Oh well thanks, I don't like to paint so. You believe what you want to believe, I'll believe what I believe. You think what you think is right, I think what I think is right. You have your opinion, I have mine. That's what this site is about, people's opinions. Some you're gonna like, some you're not. The world is far from perfect, it's actually pretty awful, full of a lot of awful people. **** I got a long way to go but I see the world through my eyes and through the people I love's eyes. And nothing is gonna change the way I see it, when I think something isn't right or I don't agree with something I am allowed to say what I think. So watch out for my large brush stroke I guess. I stayed off this site for over 2 months just came back on last night after I saw one of the most disappointing movies I have seen in a long time and am here to voice my displeasure. Stayed away cause a lot of people on here just can't take a different opinion than someone else and it turns into a dumb argument. I'll probably be gone from here soon for a long time so don't worry you won't have to put up with me for that long.

BigChap72

OvomorphMember38 XPMay-19-2017 9:36 PM

Hey guys and gals, didn't Dan O' Bannon's original script hint that the Big Chap had been plundering food from the ship's galley? Also, there was supposed to be a scene where the character named Faust sees the beast knawing on a bone from a fresh kill. I realize that this never made it into the finished film, but I could've sworn I'd read that. I remember the script stating somewhere that when the beast was "hidden" on the Narcissus, that it had stowed into the background machinery to die peacefully, but this was removed from the script so as not to make the beast appear weak. 

 

Wasn't the original idea that it only had around a 72-hour lifespan? If so, this would explain it's need to secure hosts for egg morphing (Brett in the deleted cocoon scene) and to have a viable host ready for the newly formed facehugger (Dallas in the same scene). 

 

I do recall the quadrupedal Alien from Alien 3 doing what looked a lot like eating/biting on one of it's fresh kills during the leadworks scene. Maybe it's eating habits/needs depend on what type of creature the host was? 

splatterpunk

FacehuggerMember190 XPMay-19-2017 10:58 PM

Specifically going from alien cannon and the prequels never got an answer but...

in alien as someone pointed out Dallas and the other guy were not stowed for food. They never showed the alien eat anything. It didn't live that long anyway.

in Prometheus there were no aliens save the deacon and whatever that was like ten seconds of screen time.

in covenant the neomorphs ate or at least it looked like it was eating the woman. The other alien never lived long enough to find out.

Thats what we know. Basically it could eat glue at this point or paint chips...

Bubba Zanetti

OvomorphMember67 XPMay-20-2017 2:25 AM

Outside of ideas discussed during filming or in the original script, the answer to the OP's question is in the first movie:

Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.

Lambert: You admire it.

Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor...unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

Pretty sure this is why Ripley and others in the series use weapons on the species instead of picking up a guitar and singing ***biya to the xenomorphs in the hopes they all will live in perfect harmony and buy each other a Coke.

This is seriously the weirdest thread on this forum...which is really saying something for this place LOL!

BZ 

JazzHands

OvomorphMember45 XPMay-20-2017 4:02 PM

I always presumed that as predators, the Xenos killed anything they perceived to be a threat. The face hugger and chestburster are both extraordinarily aggressive in their pursuit of survival and completing their instinctual goals of implantation and growth, so it stands to reason that the mature Xeno would be equally, if not more aggro... kind of like someone on steroids.

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