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David created the xenomorph and the Derelict isn't old.

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ChestbursterMember554 XPMay-18-2017 4:54 PM

For this theory, it does not hinge on observations from the films. It simply is based on one thing. Ridley seems easily frustrated when his films are criticized by people making appeals to reason about continuity. As time has gone on he seems more apt to listen to figures. $$$

Realizing epic visions that span several movies and come full circle is a rarity these days. And for someone like Ridley, I think he'll gladly introduce minor continuity errors to complete whatever path he takes his projects down if it increases box office sales. It looks more and more like he has truly switched tracks with this concept of David as the xeno creator. I could be wrong, but judging by Ridley's past behavior, I think there's a fair chance he has decided to eliminate the concept of the ancient xenomorph.

And if this is his heart's desire, I don't think he cares if it upsets a few fans. A handful of followers is nothing in the face of a large general audience. Ridley will choose the general audiences. And if the general audiences like David as the originator, I don't see Ridley making a point to distinguish between David's xeno and an ancient one

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FacehuggerMember357 XPMay-18-2017 5:09 PM

There was a review I came across this week which got me thinking, and it raised the question of whether Ridley could re-make Alien. If continuity errors are anything to go by, then as much as I do not like the idea of Alien ever being remade, with the current obsession of Hollywood to travel over old ground again and again I would not totally rule it out.


OvomorphMember86 XPMay-18-2017 5:12 PM

if that's truly how he's handling this property i feel iv lost quite a lot of respect for him as a director and artist in film and iv loved his work for years and have been a fan of his work for some time. i'm not losing respect for him because i disagree with the direction he may be going even though that does bother me it doesn't affect my judgment of his character. my judgment stems more from how he's handling things as if he's taking revenge on the people who showed criticism for his other film. 

additionally if he's doing it for the most money and not because he's trying to produce a genuinely well made and developed story, at this point that's even more annoying. 

As a writer myself i value the criticism i get and while money doesn't hurt, its not why i write stories. its for the art and the realization of a vision. 

i would hope Ridley shares a similar opinion when it comes to why he's making film. a film or story without soul won't last long in history especially if its just a cash grab.


OvomorphMember88 XPMay-18-2017 5:36 PM

Forget about whether David created the Xenomorphs, the real question is.............What's up with David's huge shoes in the final scene of the movie, where he's walking down the cryo-sleep corridor?!

Those boats are way too big!!  :-0


DeaconMember10325 XPMay-18-2017 5:56 PM

Anyone Remember Lindeloff?   When he surely had to be to blame for Prometheus?  Yet he actually did so little and no matter what changes was made he is not the one who sits behind the Camera?

We also have to remember FOX voted to change the Plot and take out the Eggs, Face Hugger and Xeno Type Monsters... Lindeloff was just tasked to do a draft that excluded them.

So we dont know whos ideas Alien Covenant was, how much ideas where Logans, how many was Ridleys and what FOX wanted, we do know that FOX most likely felt a Prometheus 2 that would distance itself from Alien was not what was needed and instead to do what is a U-Turn.

Ridley claimed they listened to the Fans, and we can hope that maybe they will take on board any criticisms with this movie and maybe it can influence the direction they are taking?

But i feel this is not the case.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10325 XPMay-18-2017 5:58 PM

"Those boats are way too big"

When you have spent the last 10 years with no Shoes or Socks, i guess you wont be fussy what size the shoes you get are LOL

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


PraetorianMember2861 XPMay-18-2017 6:40 PM

The franchise is gonna do what the franchise is gonna do...

I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do...

in the end we'll see which path the fanbase prefers.






FacehuggerMember190 XPMay-18-2017 6:50 PM

I just saw it. Good movie.


FacehuggerMember380 XPMay-18-2017 7:48 PM

I do not think that is the derelict on LV-426.  I rate Ridley's 1979 movie the best; the last two he made, he lost his juju.  Perhaps, is the screenplay and the DP.  Its not on the same level and qualities as the first films in the series.

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPMay-18-2017 10:06 PM

Alien: Covenant is barely a step up from Poopmetheus. @colonialsoldier you are right, Ridley has lost it completely. Let's show the severed head a handful of times, yeah that's brilliant. Who would of thought Ridley Scott would stoop to horror movie clichés. The neomorph sneaks up behind woman, stupid guy, Billy Crudup, sticks his face in front of facehugger. Let's do it in the shower after all kinds of crazy **** happens, Alien kills them in shower. Can't hear the call cause they have the music up loud, I thought Ridley was better than this but then again he did make Prometheus. No more Ridley, no more please.


ChestbursterMember554 XPMay-21-2017 7:28 AM

Dr. Curt Connors

"Who would of thought Ridley Scott would stoop to horror movie clichés. The neomorph sneaks up behind woman, stupid guy, Billy Crudup, sticks his face in front of facehugger. Let's do it in the shower after all kinds of crazy **** happens, Alien kills them in shower. Can't hear the call cause they have the music up loud"

Well said.  In Alien the death scenes were intimate, mysterious, and didn't rely on characters doing anything stupid or cliche. The neomorph sneaking up with Rosenthal doing the slow turn about while the neo patiently waits, the floating head, the call being drowned out by the music, etc. are not things I would have expected from an RS Alien film

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMay-24-2017 6:42 AM

R.. R.. Ridley... Failed Us....

The "Fans", The Money, The corruption.

I'm Heartbroken :(

But I still Have hope for Ridley :)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

Jurassic Park Fan For LIFE

OvomorphMember76 XPMay-24-2017 6:56 AM

IMO he's mostly making these new films for himself and of course money too. Prometheus, Covenant, and the future films are his visions of the backstory and he doesn't care what the fans, critics, and general audiences say.

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMay-24-2017 7:44 AM

If Ridley was making these films for himself, he would have stuck to the Prometheus route.

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)


FacehuggerMember139 XPMay-24-2017 7:48 AM

I dont think he initially created them but re-created with the knowledge of the Engineers.

Cerulean Blue

FacehuggerMember446 XPMay-24-2017 8:15 AM

I wonder what movie Sir Ridley would do, if he did not need to rely upon funding from a large studio to do it?

Jurassic Park Fan For LIFE

OvomorphMember76 XPMay-24-2017 8:17 AM

I think Ridley just decided to retcon the Xenomorph origin in Covenant. 

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