Alien Covenant sequel joining the dots

Babylonxeno

well, if you havent been to see it yet, dont read on.

assuming origae - 6 is eventually LV-426, and there is a crashed juggernaut with a jockey/engineer onboard, we have to get the engineer to lv426 somehow.

there could be engineers who find davids eggs, then modify them/clone them and decide to bomb origae - 6 to stop humans colonising it. An egg must hatch to kill the jockey or maybe it just crashes? The xenomorph could be the next gen from whats in covenant.

this would explain a lot about how the ship gets there. 

My other theory is that david/weyland have been in contact with the engineers All along (weylands chair at the beginning of covenant) and david, walter, the crews are all meant to be offerings or what the engineers have aked for. After all, david is immune to goo and xenomorphs, hes the perfect black goo manipulator. The space jockey may be bound for earth after getting david to make more xeno eggs and somehow it crashes?

poochies

But if they're originally on the way to colonize Origae 6 since it's supposed to be perfect for humans, wasn't LV426 atmosphere not suitable for humans until it was terraformed? It definitely wasn't in Alien...

Starlogger

@poochies they were planning to terraform Origae 6...I think waterston's character was the "terraforming lead" or something like that.

poochies

lol haven't seen movie yet so I should be quiet ;-)

BigDave

For sure its interesting to speculate..  i however can almost Guarantee Origae - 6 if its is then i will eat my Hat (have to get one first)... seriously though if i am Wrong then it will just show FOX/Ridley and Logan have no clue what they are doing as far as the dots because it would be a massive contradiction/Plot Hole (but there are plenty of them already).

If we assume LV-223 and LV-426 are in the same System and even around the Same Planet... then LV-426 has no Life or Ability to Support life even to the minor level of LV-223. This is because Holloway said in his briefing about the Star Maps that they pointed to just One System, that had a Sun that had a Planet that had ONE Moon that could support life.. and they arrived there that morning.

So if LV-426 supports Life then Holloway made a massive mistake.

The Covenant Ship is 7 years away from Origae - 6 before they (Oram) decides to re-direct it to the Transmission they picked up.   We dont know when the Covenant left Earth System, but the Weyland-Yutani Merger had not happened until the year 2099 i Believe?

So we dont know how far away the Covenant is from Earth, we can assume its been gone for at least 2 years before Alien Covenant because i am sure they have to Re-charge the Ship every 2 years.. if i remember right?  Every 18 months to 2 years.  So the Covenant's mission to Origae - 6 is at least 9 years Long.

Now the Covenant while it is 7 years away from Origae - 6  heads to Paradise which takes it 7 Weeks.... for this ship to travel to Paradise from its current location within 7 weeks, means its not that close to our System when it intercepts the signal.

The Covenant has another 7 years to reach Origae - 6 yet the Prometheus reached LV-223 (39LY) in about 2 years...  The refitted Nostromo (in 2116) can cover that distance to LV-426 within 10 Months....  

If we even assume the Covenant is restricted to the same speeds as the Prometheus (upto 20X Speed of Light) the Fact Origae - 6  will take a further 7 years, having been away from Earth for at least 2 years.. means that Origae - 6 can not be LV-426

Unless it takes the Covenant like 9 years to get to LV-426, but then on the way so either Half Way or even 20% of the way it can be re-directed to Paradise within 7 weeks means thats a Plot Hole as Paradise would surely had been detected before the Prometheus Mission or indeed after... as this means Paradise would be a lot closer to Earth than 39LY

BigDave

But i dont mean to come across like i am trying to disrespect your theories... i certainly feel at the very Least David will go back to LV-223.

Rick

BD - You forgot you were on discipline (1 paragraph only please)....LOL

David

Im kind of bored

Its time to realese the kraken or smth ;*

Blackwinter-witch

As much as I trust R. Scott, I don't have a lot of trust in the scriptwriters or FOX.

The scriptwriters seem to think the fanbase of this franchise are idiots and FOX just loves to kibbitz and meddle when they should just be 'hands-off' and let R. Scott do what he does.

BigDave

I made this point on the Predator Movie Plot...

FOX sees other Studios making Huge Money with  their Franchises, especially Marvel and Star Wars.  With Avatar and Star Treks also being Money Makers.

FOX held TWO Epic Sci-Fi Classics...  Alien and Predator, TWO Franchises whos first movies are Amazing... where the Sequels tried to take away the Danger and Horror and bring in Action.

Fox right now are looking at what can make money, and Action Orientated movies like Marvel Ones and Star Wars, are what are making the $$$$$$

And so we can kind of see the direction FOX are taking with these Movies.  As the Fanbase who like Action, with that Super Hero Vibe... are what are making the $$$$

My point being if we look at how say Independence Day 2 deals with the Alien threat.. is this kind of writing and Plot that seems to be putting more Bums on Seats.

You get alternative attempts like Prometheus did, or the Movies Life and Arrival...   Arrival could be seen as a Prometheus meets Independence Day if you would... 

But as far as making $$$$ a More Super Hero kind of writing/plot that gave us a Independence Day 2 is what seems to be making more Money than a different take like The Arrival

Rick

 Well then let's go the route of Xeno's on Earth and not retarded AvP series or say they find the queen at the bottom of the ocean that fell off with the water tank attached to it.....and they decide to try and thaw her out and sh*t goes awry at Area 51 or Wright Patterson AB.  WP would be a blast that's 20 miles down the road from me.

K-Theory

Big Dave, didn't Ridley Scott say the eventual goal of the series was to get something like War of the Worlds? 

If so will there be some type of war between the Engineers and ... us? Or at least David and company. 

BigDave

Indeed he did, but he also said they have big plans... many sequels but they wont be doing Parallel or Spin Offs, you have to keep it to One Tread,  one thing and thats HIM  (Xenomorph)

His comments seem to hint to me they are only interesting in explaining the Xenomorph Origin, and they what happens after Alien... so i expect a complete Re-boot of the Alien Franchise after Alien, that eventually will bring the threat to Earth.

He also seems more interesting in AI than Engineers.

so expect.... ALIENS VS ANDROIDS.... who ever wins.. we lose.

Babylonxeno

A war of the worlds type film would be interesting, especially if humans are equipped to deal with xenos and engineers. 

Jonesy

In AC, Daniels says the Covenant crew spent a decade to do the research of Origae 6. My bet is that they could have also discovered LV223 (if Origae-6 is indeed LV426) during the time of research , given that those two moons are on the same system. In this sense, the Covenant crew must have already learned about Prometheus mission before they embarked the journey, right? I also tend to believe Origae-6 is not LV426.

sherris

the place the covenant detour to was only found after the neutrino burst. after the burst (which david set maybe?) it was only then that the planet was detected.

so....

maybe the planet wasnt detected before because a superior race maybe the elders could have the technology to hide planets from long range scans.  it is rumoured they can affect climate and the tear drop ship appears that it is more advanced than the engineers 223s jugganaut craft. (and dreadnaut)

why would they hide that planet?

it is/was either a place where they seeded life (as in prometheus intro) and wanted to protect it as they go there for sacrificial offerings or religious events etc..

or it was their homeworld

or paradise / a heaven of sorts 

so that could be why the planet wasnt found.

maybe all the planets that the elders have had seeded by engineers 223 are hidden to long range scans to protect their worlds in case of war with pother beings.

this scenario would open up possibilities and links in a whole other way?

FP

We should stop talk about Predator and Focusing on what these stories delivers

LV 233 (same system of LV 426 ZETA RETICULI) Dead bodies and wrecks, and some hammerpedes and a Deacon

Planet 4 a temple with some eggs,Walter?,a sort of beacon throw by Daniels, black goo spores transforming everybody in to a Neomorph and a Juggernaut that could fly...

Covenat Ship, 2 Facehugger Embryos , Insane David more than 2000 souls and I hope somewhere a supply Walter with AI wrote by some mother backups...

SpellboundSynapses

Aren't LV-223 and LV-426 supposed to be in the same system? I don't know what happens to Origae-6, but Walter should still be alive. David might've managed to incapacitate him, but given his self-repair abilities he should be back up. Maybe he pilots the crashed Juggernaut somewhere else.

Jaymib

The ship already on LV-426. It crashed there after the xeno outbrack on LV-223, the engineer was effected by a facehugger, got to his ship, took off once, but the chestbuster came out and he crashed landed on a near by moon of LV-426. Am i the only one who pick up that back story from prometheus?

El Dude

I was thinking, the Engineers are essentially doing the same thing the humans are doing seeding life (their own) on other planets. They use the black goo on the earth or other planets and they get a variation of themselves as they seed. Essentially they stole the black good from the "Gods." But as we saw in Prometheus they didnt fully realize what they did and it blew up in their face. They were attempting to create perfect beings in their own likeness. Which if you think about is what AI is to humans; we are creating in our own likeness. But seems like in AC that also blew up in our face, instead of black goo it was our creation (David). So their attempts at playing God and our attempts at playing God are now paired together and is primed to be able to wipe all of us out. Evolution as it were.

I think the planet we saw at the start of Promethus was the world that David ended up bombing in AC LV223. I also think that the planet they are heading to in AC but didnt make will end up being LV426. OR crashed heading back to earth to bomb us like David did. 

Either way...I think the next films having earth, variety of aliens, black goo, engineers, and lots of gore/action is where its heading. 

BigDave

"A war of the worlds type film would be interesting, especially if humans are equipped to deal with xenos and engineers. "

This depends really, for some maybe for others maybe not...  it has the whole Independence Day 2 about it...  However these kinds of movies make $$$$$$$ and i think its something FOX would be willing to do.

@El Dude

The first part of your post indeed, could be what we are looking at.... those beings on Paradise are Engineers, who was used as Sacrifices, they rebelled and used the Sacrificial Goo to create there own life.. be that Humans, or other things. Which a attempt at the Deacon was also one..

BigDave

I will now try and cover a lot of other stuff, and Please dont take this in any offense, its only my opinion based on how i see the clues.... and so does not mean i am in any shape or form Right.. and its still interesting to debate other things even if i feel clues contradict it... as well a lot of Alien Covenant contradicts a lot of clues anyway lol and who am i to say Ridley Scott/Logan got it wrong ;)

Origae 6 i believe is not LV-426 unless RS and Logan did less homework....  The Journey time to Origae 6 as of December 4th 2104 is 7 years, and so the Covenant would have arrived in about the year 2121 (bit close to Alien Date so maybe they will go the LV-426 route lol).

The Covenant Ship has to Re-charge with its Sails every 1.5 to 2 years, the ship did this in Alien Covenant and so we can assume the Ship has already been in Space for 1.5 to 2 years.  The Ship is a Weyland-Yutani Ship which means it has to be a mission after the year 2099.

Prometheus took 2 years to get to LV-223 (39LY) the 2116 Refitted Nostromo would take 10 Months to cover the same distance. The Covenant looked more Advanced than that TUG... and it had some Pretty Huge Engines compared to Prometheus.. but if we assume its only as fast as Prometheus... then Origae 6 would still be another 140 Light Years away... Thus its unlikely it would be LV-426

The Covenant has Left Earth.... we dont know what time but the longest would have to been leaving in the year say 2100 so 4 years... the least i would say would be about 18 months into its journey...   (at the End of Covenant the Synthetic mentions it will be another 1.6 years to the next Charging Time).

For the Covenant to be say 1.5 to 4 years into its journey and having another 7 years to go, if its Destination is LV-426 means the Covenant is traveling at say between 3.6 to 4.6X Speed of Light (Prometheus was nearly 20X and Nostromo 47X)

And yet the detour to Paradise takes 7 weeks... and so thus means Paradise is 0.45 to 0.6 Light Years away from where the Neutrino Blast Happened... if we assume its 7 more years to LV-426

Which raises one massive Plot Hole as it would have to mean Paradise is so close to Earth... 10-15 LY average that how come Mankind has never found it before?

I would rather assume the Covenant has been gone for say 2-3 years and traveled 120-180 Light years before they detect the Signal... maybe further... as we dont know a few things.

1) Covenants Departure Date

2) Covenants average Speed

But i think it its likely that Origae 6 is not LV-426

BigDave

The Covenant Crew do not know nothing about Prometheus, Ridley Scott confirmed this... but Walter knows a bit about the mission, but it seems only that it contained the Founder of the Weyland Company and it was deemed Lost.

We cant rule out if Walter is alive or not... i would however assume the Juggernaught is out of commission as we have to ask Why David did not take the ship, it appears he was stranded.

It would be a big ask for Walter to Repair the Ship.

But we cant rule out Walter Repairing himself... and maybe even then being infected by the Eggs.... either before or after a Engineer Ship arrives and finds out whats gone down... then decides to head off to Earth or LV-223.

"The ship already on LV-426."

Indeed all clues point to this, Prometheus hints to this, and Ridley Confirmed it.... however we just dont know how much of a U-Turn they have made now.. Sadly...

Xibalba

 Unfortunaly It seems to me that R.Scott Is done with Engineers.Covenant Is the sad burial to Prometheus.He's admited to feel frustration with fans reaction to Prometheus and his answer has been following the easy path:more aliens,less deep questions,and more industrial films.

Coherence Is Lost.There are two origins for the alien eggs:as David's handcraft and the Alien Queen.