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Question about Jon Spaihts/Prometheus

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Phallic Jaw

FacehuggerMember265 XPMay-13-2017 12:17 PM

I just got done watching the movie Passengers, which I thought was bad. I noticed in the credits it was written solely by John Spaihts, who we all should know was the writer of Prometheus before Lindelof took over.  I also looked online and see that Spaihts has only co-wrote one other movie between Prometheus and Passengers, which was Doctor Strange (which I haven't seen yet).  So my question is (if you agree with me that Passengers was NOT a good movie), could Spaihts be the reason for some of Prometheus' flaws?  I know this was likely already discussed over and over around the release of Prometheus, but after just seeing how bad (in my opinion) Passengers was (and let's be fair, overall reception of it judging by Rotten Tomatoes etc does also tend to agree with me), it just made me wonder if Spaihts was to blame (for Passengers and/or Prometheus) Thoughts?  Thanks in advance!  Looking forward to some good conversation.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

9 Responses to Question about Jon Spaihts/Prometheus

Lone

PraetorianMember2674 XPMay-13-2017 12:44 PM

BigDave the floor is yours..... ;)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Phallic Jaw

FacehuggerMember265 XPMay-13-2017 7:52 PM

Well, Big Dave?

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMay-13-2017 9:46 PM

I dont know if we can blame either it depends on what is deemed to be a failure with the movie..

The basic Concepts are the same between Spaights, Lindeloffs and Prometheus.

*Space Jockey = Space Suit of a Humanoid Race

*This Humanoid Race the Engineers play a role in our creation and also our evolution and they gave us knowledge and are also who Ancient Mankind saw and worshiped as Gods and who Religions was based off.

*These Engineers, had left clues on Earth to a Outpost in the Zeta 2 System, where these Engineers had been conducting experiments relating to Bio-Weapons that are related to the Xenomorph.

*These Engineers intended to use their Bio-Weapons on Earth 2000 years ago but their Bio-Weapons got out of hand and infected them.

*They use a Sacrificial Goo/Scarabs to Seed their DNA, and then have a Xeno DNA Goo/Scarabs stored in Urns.

The only differences really are Spaights Alien Engineers, has Aliens of various kinds in it, it showed the Engineers had created these Weapons, ambiguously as either from scratch or via experiments on some related Organism.

Alien Engineers was also set on LV-426

The characters seem to come across better, but feel a bit Robotic, and Boring... Lindeloffs was smoothed out to be less Robotic and Boring but at the cost of being underdeveloped Goofy and also more Super Hero Movie, rather than Serious Characters like in Alien.  

Spaights Characters are more closer to Alien and Alien 3, where as Lindeloffs more closer to Aliens and Alien Resurrection.. IN FACT i would say similarities are... Alien 3/Alien Engineers and Alien Resurrection/Paradise.

The only way Spaights can be blamed is if the Fundamental Flaws of Prometheus are as follows.

*Space Jockey = Giant Humanoids who created Mankind and are who all our Gods come from...

*Who then created the Xenomorph/Bio Weapons for the use on Mankind because of some event were we had upset them or proved a failure 2000 years ago.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMay-13-2017 9:50 PM

Spaights may have made some disappointing Drafts for Movies, but then every writer can make such mistakes...  I am really interested in how much of Alien Covenant is the result of Ridley, FOX, Paglen/Green..

Or John Logan... Logan and Ridley put the Final Polish and so both or one of them, have produced a bit of a mess in Alien Covenant.

I would say actually Spaights Alien Engineers is not to blame for Prometheus, it would appear if more of his Draft was in the Movie then it would have Pleased more Fans and made more Alien movie connections..

However yes.... It was a Stinker in a way because well Watts (Shaw) does most of the killing of the Aliens in this Draft...and in some really silly ways (Ultramorph).   But then Daniels is very much the same in AC

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPMay-13-2017 9:51 PM

As for Passengers i have not seen it so i cant comment

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPMay-13-2017 10:04 PM

I've read Spaights's script and it's pretty good, however NOT perfect, and kinda tries to compress too much into a movie length.
But there were some really great ideas in it.

 

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Phallic Jaw

FacehuggerMember265 XPMay-13-2017 10:15 PM

Great responses so far, thanks guys!  Keep em coming. I would also (even though I know this is really not the place for it) be interested (even just briefly) in what anybody thought of Passengers, and if maybe Spaihts was to blame for its flaws (he was the SOLE writer on that one).

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

Starlogger

ChestbursterMember907 XPMay-14-2017 1:29 PM

Dr strange is surprisingly good, and I hate comic book movies in general. Passengers was not. Even my wife thought it was absolutely absurd and not ever worth a second watch, although the acting and sfx were top notch.

Phallic Jaw

FacehuggerMember265 XPMay-14-2017 1:35 PM

Thanks Starlogger.  I was really disappointed by Passengers and I thought the trailer was misleading (and actually made the movie look a whole lot better). 

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

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