Alien Day AC New Footage: So What Happened to Shaw?7,839 Views33 RepliesAdd A Reply
The Alien Day Stream provided some incredible footage from AC. From what I saw, it seems that all theories of David maliciously mutating Shaw should be disregarded.
We hear David's monologue where he begins to tell of how he and Shaw escaped LV-223 on one of the engineer's ships. We then see Shaw reattach David's head to his body.
Possible evidence of a romantic connection:
Shaw and David worked together to set the vessel on course:
And finally, David puts Shaw into hyper-sleep:
So again, the main thing I took away from the footage is that Shaw and David were on very good terms when he put her into hyper-sleep. (Even adoration.) So what happened to Shaw once they arrived on Paradise?
What's the story, MUTHUR?
Guess is she found out what he did, and their relationship went downhill. After this maybe she becomes infected and mutates but manages to stay alive till the end of film.
I think David sends her off somewhere else and he uses another ship somehow.
A longshot, but what if she dies in hypersleep and David takes out revenge on the unsuspecting engineers? He then tries to remake her or revive her and the experimenting begins. After all, she showed such compassion putting hs head back on.
I think thats her in the earlier trailers hairless and hunched over running up the stairs.
I do remember the article in Empire says Shaw goes "missing" for reasons explained in the movie. Got a funny feeling she is still alive, but goes somewhere else? After David drops the urns, does the Juggernaut he is in crash? Causing Shaw to get hurt and die? so many things!!
Its funny how small things can blow theories discussed on the forum for a while now away. lol this changes everything...which is good!
@Shasta SO correct! It is good, and Unexpected!
That's what I'm thinking. Consider that the engineers may very well have designed their cryo-chambers to kill anything that tried to use them without the suit (or their DNA).
So the cryo-chamber kills her, David blames them, he drops the bombs, there is perhaps some sort of counter attack which brings about a crash, then he makes his home in the hall of heads and begins efforts to revive her with the pathogen. Perhaps he succeeds...at a price.
whats also interesting is how it seem's to bother Him (David ) being alone.
I do not think Shaw is asleep when they arrive since he tells her he will wake her up. So something must have happened to her whilst being in hypersleep. Also David learns about their ways whilst being alone, I wonder what is he learns about them.
This is very exciting indeed :)
Exactly, he probably begins his experimenting with a noble motif, but as time and his experimenting goes along it also becomes perverted and twisted. Maybe he looses his focus and along the way learns something about himself and with all that we end up withe the perfect organism.
Shaw's name tag which Daniel discovered (as shown in the trailer) makes me worried about her fate.
A strange scenario- over the course of the movie, David experiments on Shaw as QES said and she births a creature to his dismay. That creature face hugs David and he births the Xeno- sort of the "son" of David and Shaw. I doubt it but it is fun to think about.
There must be a twist, i think something might happen to her in hypersleep, like a mutation due to the sex with holloway, it just took longer due to the nano amounts in her body.
What if she retained all her sentience but had a mutant, xeno body, with telepathic connection with other types of xeno? She would then be the original mother of the xenos, who then becomes the target for the next weyland expedition, bring back the queen!
Really good points from everyone.
@Necronom IV, I think you may be onto something. By showing us small glimpses into David and Shaw's relationship, we can speculate that his attack on the humanoids is probably a direct result of something that happened to Shaw. I've also been thinking a lot about when he said "I learned of their ways, and awaited our arrival." Something about it tips me off. Almost as if he discovered something about the Engineers so intriguing that he turned against Shaw and humanity as a whole.
What's the story, MUTHUR?
Okay, so here's a loose theory based on the information we've gotten about David and Shaw's arrival so far. Some of it's far fetched - I just wanted to try to piece together a cohesive narrative from the hints we've gotten.
David is fixed, Shaw and David build their relationship and find a route to Paradise. Shaw is put into hypersleep.
David theorizes about the influence of the Black Goo, wanting to create his own creatures, being so fascinated by creation. Shaw, awakened as they approach Paradise, learns of his plans and tries to stop him. Some kind of conflict makes her lock herself in a room within the Juggernaut. David bombards the humanoid city upon arrival. Shaw, in an attempt to stop David, crashes the ship. She is infected by the black goo or the resulting spores, and she goes missing. David sets up camp and goes crazy, experimenting and researching for the following few years, trying to perfect the mutations he's created in the indigenous race.
Covenant crew arrive and find Shaw's dog tags inside the crashed ship. David/spores/xenos/neos/protos/whatever wreak havoc...
It might not be close to the actual story, but what do you guys think? Any other theories that take into account all the info we've gotten about their arrival?
Guys, if you watch the crossing video really closely. I think Shaw is dying from an illness. She looks really pale, profusely sweating (skin glistening in the light) even while covered up with a blanket from being cold. She stopped taking care of herself, hair is a mess, etc. She tells David she is trying...but I think it is edited and taken out of context for the video. I think they put her in hypersleep to stop/slow the progress until David can get a cure......which leads to his experimentation on Paradise.
Oh and I think Shaw's Death is the driving force behind killing everything. They are the ones that damaged him and killed the only thing that showed him compassion....Shaw
The name tags seen in the trailer don't worry me much, coz you can see them swinging over shaws head as she writes something at a "table" in the new footage..
"it seems that all theories of David maliciously mutating Shaw should be disregarded."
Maybe but i suspect this is not the case... The Covenant has to play at least one role and a Covenant Between David and Shaw has to be one of the uses....
Few things that seem prior to show Davids fondness, Prometheus after he said she has good Survival Instincts he seemed to grow a bit of respect for her, the ending of Prometheus seems to show a bit of this. But David knows he has to get on her Good Side or he is not going anywhere.
Fassbender referred to their Relationship like a Marriage and we know every Relationship like that has its ups and downs, and what happens after the Honey Moon Period.
The other information we have had in total paints David as more Sinister.... did a event change him this way?
We could indeed maybe look at the AURORA - Nature Boy
Lyrics, a key thing is
"And while we spoke of many things
Fools and kings
This he said to me
The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return
The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return"
This could apply to David feeling Loved and Respected by Shaw which i covered after the First Trailer came out, and it seems indeed now David comments on how Kind Shaw is and maybe he feels she treats him how he wanted to be treated. And so he would be fond of her.
And so a event that would lead to her Death could have a impact on a Emotionally Attached and Unstable Android..
Maybe yes Shaw dies or is ill before they arrive at Paradise? We cant be sure though..
Maybe he realizes this and wonders if there is something on Paradise that can help her... but then realizes that the only Creation Tool for Life these Engineers have can Create Life but it needs to Destroy first.
Maybe then attempts to study the Black Goo to try and Save her but maybe the only way to Save her is to Evolve her?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
A few things i will add to the above...
Ridley Scott said David can be Dangerous when his head is attached, but he is Persuasive and he will Persuade Shaw...
And so once this happens and Shaw is in that Cryo-sleep Pod then indeed David is free to do what ever he wants, which would include with her.
Another key thing is Ridley Scott said although Shaw will not appear long in the movie, the role she plays is important one to what David latter carries out in the movie.
To me this can only mean
1) Engineer Bombardment
2) Creation of those Experiments... there has to be a Basis
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Jonesy, check the :28 mark of the Prologue trailer. You can see Shaw looking at the Star Map and her "dog tag" is hanging in the background. At this point, it's hard to tell when/if things went wrong. Keep in mind that the whole video could be a clever misdirection as well. I'm guessing that David grows quite a fondness for Dr. Shaw (he even refers to her as Elizabeth rather than Dr. Shaw, which makes me believe he's quite smitten with her). I'm going out on a limb to say that what info he obtains about the Engineers while Dr. Shaw is in cryo is what leads him to drop the payload on the planet's surface.
EDIT: Skrapha beat me to the tags. ;-)
Interesting too that the Cryo-Pod is just the Perfect size for a 7ft 3" Engineer ;)
Lot of interesting things in this Footage..
This appears to be a Window? Or a Light but why would Dr Shaw be looking at the Light.
Again the Corridor here looks similar, with again a Light Source above.
Is this a part of the Ship we have never seen?
Does this ship differ slightly?
Are they in Space here?
Or on the surface of a Planet...
Lots of potential unanswered things maybe? That gives is cause for debates and this was one of the great things with Prometheus.. if it was so Spoon Fed, then it may appease some, but there would not be as much to debate about ;)
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
According to the most recent issue of Entertainment Weekly, COVENANT is "a cerebral puzzle, toying with the ideas of creation and human nature... The events of Covenant take place a decade [after Prometheus] (and 20 years before Ripley's first Alien encounter), and the whats and wheres and whys of David's actions are a twist we don't dare spoil."
And then we get this clip as a special ALIEN Day present.
Hm. This new clip is so damned intriguing--it answers NO questions, but creates a whole lot of new ones...
Interesting to see how David and Shaw's relationship *seems* to be progressing. The interplay between the two is one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen onscreen--despite being "incapable" of feeling, it's nonetheless apparent that David fancies Shaw. I've discussed it in detail before in a reply to this thread.
From this preview, it appears that David's infatuation with the human woman continues, although I have a feeling the development/results of it won't be as benign as it would appear from this clip, however. Just a hunch...
As I've mentioned before on some other threads, I've been intently watching Sir Ridley's four (so far) SF films--analyzing them and their common themes and motifs.
One common theme (for three of the films, at least) is the development of emotions and proto-emotions by supposedly emotionless AI beings. It begins with ALIEN, in a small but certainly malevolent way. Ash attempts simulated oral rape of Ripley. In BLADE RUNNER, Pris and Roy have developed affection for one another, as has Deckard (who I believe is a Replicant until/unless 2049 proves otherwise) and Rachel. Not only that, Roy is the most "humane" character, sparing Deckard when he could have killed the Blade Runner in a last act of vengeance before his own death. It's only after this display of empathy that Deckard is able to break free of his LAPD masters and flee with Rachel. And then on to PROMETHEUS, where David shows a creepy infatuation with Dr. Shaw. (I discussed this theme in more detail here).
Now we've got some footage teasing more of the interactions between Shaw and David. Considering David has been described as an anti-villain, and his actions are said to be the impetus of the upcoming film's events, I wonder what conspires between him and Shaw? Some ideas include:
1. Shaw and David reach Paradise, but the Engineers do something horrible to Shaw, causing David to wreak his horrible vengeance on them--bombing them with the Accelerant. (IF this is what occurred, it would likely be the plot of AWAKENING, which is said to occur between PROMETHEUS and COVENANT).
2. David and Shaw's friendship turns sour, causing him to go berserk because he lacks the proper emotional responses/capability to handle it. (This would make him similar to the Replicants in BLADE RUNNER--Zhora, Leon, and Pris all attack Deckard when he corners them; Roy on the other hand faces him down "man-to-man" and in the end proves himself the better of the two because of his empathy).
3. Shaw is ill when she goes into cryosleep (as someone mentioned above, she does appear sickly in this clip), and David begins experimenting with the Accelerant to save her. (This would make him similar to his own Creator, Weyland, who is dying and looking for a miraculous cure from the Engineers).
4. Shaw dies in cryosleep, and in an attempt to give her immortality and/or revive her, David begins experimenting with the Accelerant. (This would tie in with the theme of Mortality/Immortality that plays a big role in both BLADE RUNNER and PROMETHEUS).
5. My personal favorite idea is this: David was successful in saving/altering Shaw with the Accelerant. She's gone off to live her life on Paradise. (Or perhaps elsewhere? Presumably she'd be post-human). David, a mechanical being, remains behind doing his experiments. Perhaps his intention is not to just make new life, but to give himself life. (He did look a little hurt when Weyland said he'd never have a soul in PROMETHEUS). To make himself a biomechanical being. Walter, being a later-generation Weyland-Yutani android AND apparently somewhat biomechanical in design, is likely to have a role in David's work IF making himself "alive" proves to be his goal. Poor Walter! Again, this would tie in with the themes of BLADE RUNNER and PROMETHEUS.
Just some ideas. Won't be long now. Can't wait for 19 May!
Maybe the light source that Shaw is gazing intently at is intended to simulate a sun or starlight? Since Engineers are genetically similar to us, perhaps they also need sunlight to generate vitamin D? I have a feeling it's intended for health benefits. But it's alien technology, so I could be way off...
I'm guessing the part in the video where she asks, how long will it take, actually means how long will it take to find/create a cure.
As opposed to how long will it take to get to Paradise.
Prologue video is here btw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus
Robot Bro is in love yo
wow @BigChap72, you made a great found, thanks.
Glad she may still alive through the journey.
I think Shaw ends up dying due to some goo still being inside of her from that monster she had removed.
Not sure if anyone remembers, but she had an open wound across her abdomen and the embryonic sac that contained the alien, burst open and all that liquid, which was semi transparent/black, spilt all over her abdomen area.
So god knows what effect that had on her, she looks pale, sweaty and weak in the short video and I think her question of "How long will it take?" is in reference to David finding or making a cure.
I'm guessing David learns something about the bio weapon from the ship during the journey and/or something else that upsets him greatly (That Shaw can't be cured/healed) and he feels guilt for having done that to her and rage against those who created the bio weapon in the first place
When you see him in that ampule bombing area, he does have a tear in his right eye, I'm guessing because he knows Shaw is going to die. (The promotional Weyland website stuff only showed he was capable of crying in sad situations, rather than happy/sadistic, so who knows)
I don't think Shaw or David get to meet the engineers, as the bombing door opens as soon as that ship docks with the docking station.
David killed holloway and didnt seem to bothered about certain crew welfare in prometheus, would you really trust him? Wouldnt shaw question how she got contaminated and realise it was from sex, and holloway hadnt been exposed to the goo any other way beforehand? I cant see how david would really care that much about shaw, hes the one who had made her ill, if thats what happens to her.
also, look at davids body language at the end of the clip as he walks to the bomb bay, hes swinging his arms, he is very very angry. I really cant imagine what would do that to him, unless he wants revenge for prometheus, and boy, he seems to get it!