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NeomorphMember1984 XPApr-19-2017 4:15 PM


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TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-19-2017 4:19 PM

Unknown, but it is obvious he is unhappy when no one cares what he has to say and interrupt him.


PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-19-2017 4:24 PM

Yeah, I'll go with the possibility he kills Branson. We know Branson is VERY ill, so he could kill him and make it seem as though he died from complications of whatever illness was affecting Branson.






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PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-19-2017 4:30 PM

I wonder also if it's just 'jealousy' and all discussed above, or if he's also after Branson's wife? Professional/career jealousy and related elements often coincide with a personal interest of a romantic/sexual attraction in the mix also.






TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-19-2017 4:35 PM

I think those are possible except I wonder about him being an android since he was face hugged. Of course, that might be the birth of a xeno if he is.


NeomorphMember1984 XPApr-19-2017 4:35 PM




NeomorphMember1984 XPApr-19-2017 4:38 PM




ChestbursterMember907 XPApr-19-2017 4:39 PM

Interesting thoughts! 


Also, Crudrup was at his best in "Almost Famous", one of my favorite all time movies.


PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-19-2017 4:41 PM


YW! :)

I don't think a facehugger could work with an android, just a gut-feeling, but I don't think R. Scott would go that direction.

Oram's wife could well be cheating on him, OR possibly stayed on Earth, a last-minute seperation/divorce? That would factor heavily into killing Branson and possibly being inappropriately attracted/pursuant of Daniels.

He might do so, or he might well have set his capsule to open a few days after everyone else was in hypersleep, and then sabotaged Branson's capsule in a way that would slip by the suspicions of the ship's computer and Walter. Oram strikes me as being VERY intelligent, frighteningly-so if he's after something he wants very badly.






TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-19-2017 4:55 PM

Not to be a spoil sport, but crews going on big missions get screened pretty heavily before leaving. People seemed pretty casual about Branson being ill and fatigued. It seems Walter would have examined him before he went to sleep. A crew member with fatigue and cold/flu symptoms should be a red flag to the second in command and medical officer. Sorry, I am done now... for now lol!


PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-19-2017 4:57 PM

Facehuggers!, great question. 

Carter Burke was the best example of reptilian apathy we have seen next to Peter Weyland. Oram? Why not.

Oram could have ulterior motives.

We all have idiot moments when excited, embarrassed, jealous, or pouting (Dr. Holloway). In the Alien universe, the humans are as lethal as the aliens. I don't discount A.I. trimming the herd either, so Branson could have been done in by a number of contenders.

Vickers asked David 8 when the arrived off the edge of LV-223 if there were any "casualties". This could be a rare but not too rare occurrence of casualties (deaths) in hypersleep.

Jealousy cuts across millennia and I'm sure space as well so we have to be aware of human motivations.


ChestbursterMember805 XPApr-19-2017 5:05 PM

 For what purpose? Oram and Branson they are both captains, Oram captain mission and Branson of the ship, I do not think so, after all Oram will be betrayed by David. So in this playful clue probably 100%: Walter and MU-TH-UR.


FacehuggerMember225 XPApr-19-2017 5:07 PM

In the Last Supper prologue, it seems as though the crew as a whole is not too fond of Branson, although it could just be a general "captain buzzkill" situation. That may be why they don't seem too concerned about his poor health. And if Oram is the one to kill Branson, I'm sure he would easily be able to avoid taking blame. (Especially if he is an android.)

What's the story, MUTHUR?


TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-19-2017 5:12 PM

HappyXeno I can see your point about being a buzz kill but the red flag/concern would be more about making everyone else ill and possibly causing mission failure.


FacehuggerMember161 XPApr-19-2017 5:26 PM

I have thought this as a possibility also.   I don't think it has anything to do with an attraction to Daniels thought.  Oram's wife is on board.  (Carmen Ejogo's Character)


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-19-2017 5:47 PM

The movie with its Viral content is trying to tease us to Oram being up to no good.

First we have the Last Supper Viral which is named and done in a way to show some kind of tension between Oram and the rest of the crew he feels a bit of a outcast, yet he realizes he has vast amounts of experience.  

The whole Last Super Viral was done in a way to make us wonder... WHO IS THE JUDAS?

The Oram Name gets its origin from Old Norse and can mean Serpent and Dragon, which Satan is also referred to... and Satan does not have to mean the Devil, it is a word that can mean (opposer, adversary and deceiver).

So you could say its teasing those who look into things that Oram indeed has something behind the reasons for the loss of Captain Jacob.

But would he kill him?  Out right? Who knows..

Jacob seemed very ill before he went into Cryo-sleep and so can we question did Oram make him unwell... poison him?  Or knowing he was not well simply gave Oram time to manipulate the Cryo-sleep pod?  Make it look like he died from his illness.

But we dont know for sure what happens to Jacob (especially as far as the exact cause). To rule out Accident, Sabotage or something more sinister.

I have a feeling this movie is not being as vague as Prometheus, instead its throwing us some clues that could be potential Red Herrings that could lead to to conclude a few things.

*Is this LV-426 (nope as its a Planet with Moons)

*Is the Juggernaught the Derelict

*Does David create the Eggs that are on the Derelict

*Is David the Bad Guy

*Is Oram the Bad Guy

Etc as there are many more, and i feel a number will be Red Herrings that are a attempt to steer us away from a few Plot Twists so we are surprised.... But we wont be ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-19-2017 5:50 PM

Indeed Ryan_C

I forgot to mention that in my reply too... Indeed Orams Wife is Kareen (Ejogo)

Billy Cudrup has said that in some way his character was supposed to be a antagonist of sorts, but the character is pretty much someone who makes some really bad calls and judgements that put the rest of the crew in Danger.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


NeomorphMember1984 XPApr-19-2017 6:36 PM




ChestbursterMember805 XPApr-19-2017 8:01 PM



good point! Here is my answer Luke 22:48 

Mr. Nostromo

OvomorphMember23 XPApr-20-2017 12:49 AM

I've been wondering too, some comments made it seem like they were concealing who is an ai, like there might possibly be a surprise in store, but the argument against Oram is that he's apparently an evangelical of some type & that seems to run contrary to what we've seen in the past with David.

As far as being an antagonist, I think true believers as characters tend to be stubborn and less prone to rational thinking which makes them ideal antagonists without necessarily being adversaries.

I've been mulling over the specifics of an ai like Walter (vs. David) being a host, I agree with BW-W it doesn't square, but given the advanced nature of the bioorganics it's not an complete non-starter. The question it raises is, the protomorph we've been seeing is slick skinned and sinewy, the classic alien has these biomorphic details, so let's assume the protomorph comes out of Oram, perhaps David used Walter to make the (as yet unseen) classic alien, it adapting to the host body and adopting those traits. I'm not 100% sure, but it's an interesting premise. Why are we so sure an alien couldn't gestate? 


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-20-2017 8:01 AM

^^^^ Ha Ha Long live the Walter Morph.... indeed we could wonder if this is the eventual outcome..

Oram does come across a bit naive like Shaw, he appears to be a combination of Shaw, Milburn and Weyland in one Package

@Roger55, so who deals Jacob the Kiss ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Grinning & Dropping Linen

FacehuggerMember245 XPApr-20-2017 2:32 PM

I dont think Oram is a bad guy per se, although they defintely laid the ground work for is possible resentment for Franco's character and everyone else. I would call his reaction in the last supper hostility but it is definitely resentment and he definitely showed frustration at not being seen or heard so to speak. 

He could very well kill the captain (Franco's character) to give himself the voice and attention its clear he desires, but i think that he is just frustrated and he over compensates, much like a new manager on the job site, trying to show they are the new boss and this leads him to make very bad decisions to the detriment of his crew. I feel without the unfortunate (reported) death of Franco's character perhaps they wouldn't have been put in harms way and we wouldn't have the Alien Covenant we will get.

Frustration, resentment and the desire for attention and respect are the driving forces of his downfall and by extension probably most of the crew of the Covenant is my guess 


XenomorphMember1261 XPApr-20-2017 3:29 PM

Maybe there is some behind the scenes stuff.  Linking MUTHUR, Walter/David, and Oram could be a company plant like Burke.  Take out the captain assume his role and then gets facehugged which would be a fitting death.


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-20-2017 7:00 PM

Maybe indeed ;)

We dont know what role the Computer will take, Ridley was a Fan of Space 2001 and Hal, and we see David has some pretty disturbing ideas and Agenda... but who knows maybe Ridley Scott could show us this ships MUTHUR is just like Hal.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


FacehuggerMember106 XPApr-21-2017 6:33 AM

I get the sense MUTHUR is in fact somewhat similar to Hal, and that we can't trust MUTHUR.  If he's still around, then FATHER might have arranged to have Daniels' husband killed as well (he also may have not approved of the coupling).

Look how easily Branson gets sick.  Does the company really want a human with such a weak immune system to have his genetics carried forward?  Maybe he's not right for Daniels; MUTHURs can be overprotective.  Oram wouldn't understand his role in what MUTHUR and Walter cooked up, although he could play a role in their plans anyway.  Initially, Daniels & Tennessee might not think Oram has it "in him."


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-21-2017 8:11 AM

Indeed we have to remember Walter is a Robot, he is a Machine and he runs basically off a Program.

He could act and be 100% Friendly until a Moment MUTHUR Activates a Hidden Program which then Sets Walter into a different State.

But we dont know as yet, as this would mean that MUTHUR had been Programed to do this which would mean the Computer had some knowledge of exactly where the Covenant would be going.

And as i stated on the Weyland Agenda Topic, i cant see the Covenant having a AI with this secret Agenda. Unless unknown to Mankind the AI on Earth is running the Show without us being aware.

Maybe David could reprogram MUTHUR or Walter? That would make more sense.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


OvomorphMember62 XPApr-21-2017 6:41 PM

Daniels did tell Oram "we dont even know what the **** is down there" while Oram has a look on his face like who cares? All Orams fault indeed.


FacehuggerMember106 XPApr-21-2017 11:26 PM

One possible reason for using Oram is so Walter doesn't get his hands dirty (at least not that Daniels and Oram can see).  

My view is that the company doesn't wish to put their whole secret agenda on the android's shoulders.  If they send the special orders directly to Walter, there may be a way for colonial administration and Earth government to monitor the transmissions.  A form of government is still in existence, and there are other megacorps/groups/competition who might want the bioweapon.  Which is partially why the private security forces must keep most of the data on their agenda classified.

By sending the special order directly to MUTHUR and having her relay it to the crew, it allows them to be as vague as possible about the lifeforms in official records.  Walter and Oram would already know what to do beforehand, while the other crew members are unaware of a small clause in their employee contracts that requires them to investigate the source of the transmission and activates the Special Order.

If it's in the fine print of the employee contracts to investigate the source of the transmission, then it would allow Oram, MUTHUR, and Walter to convince them that it's in their best interests.  Daniels wouldn't be too thrilled about the idea, but there's a chance the company won't renegotiate her contract.

The security officers aboard the Covenant are likely being exposed to the ALIEN for the first time.  Colonial admin mandates that at least 2-3 security officers be stationed at the proposed colony, so W-Y neglects to inform Lope about the bioweapons, the rogue android, Engineers etc.  Due to this, Lope isn't fully prepared to deal with what they encounter.


OvomorphMember66 XPApr-22-2017 3:20 AM

I personally think Oram is a black sheep kinda. 

He may very well be responsible for the murder of Branson. Although Branson in the last supper already was feeling sick and ill. Could very well be just dead by natural causes of the sickness and unfortunately not waking up from cryo sleep to build up tension right at the beginning of the mivie.

Personal thought why Oram could be a black sheep is that he has knowledge or/and orders from weyland yutani he has to keep secretly.

Maybe yutani knows about the present location of david and somehow knows about the experiments he is doing. (I dont think david knows that yutani knows though to speak)

Maybe they send 2000 potential victims to david for further experiments on purpose. Although no one knows that. Especially not the crew they could be told a great big lie. Therefore not looking up the criminal past of the pilot tennesse matters or is less important to yutani cause the whole crew is expendable anyway like always. Yutani does everything for further science even sacrifice mankind.

Maybe Oram knows/has order from yutani to act in there regards. Maybe to convince the crew to check out the distress signal or to trust david.

I dont think he is an Android. Oram is a human. Oram like his message to earth tv spot shows is a kind of person following orders directly and as a priority.

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