Ten Years Together

Ingeniero

Ten Years Together

David 8 knew Dr. Shaw better than Dr. Holloway. I am not referring to a physical relationship but one based on no secrets.

David 8 spent years on the way to LV-223 watching Dr. Shaw's dreams (and I'm sure others as well). 

Babylonxeno

Wow, great expansion into what might have happened to them. Who is to say they havent conducted raids many other planets with the ships that are on lv223, id like to know where shaw gets her food and water from though.

Parkerparrot

Ingeniero! As allways, very interesting. But do we actually know that they spend ten years together? Shaw has obviously learned how to manouver the Juggernought, but that does not necessarily mean that she is alive all of those years, yes?

I think that David has/had a special relationship with Shaw, compared to other humans. I think he was somewhat  inspired or maybe impressed of her faith. Or maybe even envious. But I allso think he used her naivety for his own agenda. And as he knew her better than anybody else he could play her like a fiddle.

Inquisitor Fifield

Too bad, its only an untail in that hologramm^^

Ingeniero

Parkerparrot, correct. It could have been ten minutes together after the events of Prometheus.

It was some time if Dr. Shaw was able to operate the Engineer navigation board if that is her in the hologram. With David 8's capability and what is left on the Engineer ships, I would think that food of some sort could be produced Babylonxeno.

Worst case is to put Dr. Shaw into hypersleep and pick up food elsewhere within reach of the juggernaut's capability (galaxy wide at a minimum).

Water isn't a problem. The pyramids on LV-223 collected water vapor and channeled it into subsurface cisterns, see below.

If you were worried about a residual black goo infection in the water housed in the cisterns, then you could just stand in the room that Dr. Holloway took off his helmet and let it rain on you from the collected water vapor channeled from the top of the pyramid.

Parkerparrot

Thats humor, Fifield!!! Nice one!!

Ingeniero

Inquisitor Fifield, thank you. I missed you.

Shasta cyclone

Yeah, think it's part of the chair in the hologram. I thought too it might be "something" but after looking at it over and over again it looks like part of the chair. And it has been 10 years in between the two movies time span which is what the prequel book to alien covenant will be about.

Ingeniero

Shasta cyclone, thank you.

I'm not sure of it being a tail at all but it looked like one when the image sharpened up and then cut out. The holograms look as if they are just above the surfaces and that "tail" could very well be the chair represented in the hologram.

It (the tail) could even show the chair moved a little more forward in the hologram because Dr. Elizabeth Shaw's beautiful legs were not as long as the Engineer legs and she needed to sit a little closer to work the controls.

Blackwinter-witch

Man, every info-tidbit that pops up, just comes with more questions! :D

I WANT to know, BUT I am enjoying the ride of speculative analysis and such while we wait for THE DAY. :D

Parkerparrot

Ingeniero 

I think that the "tail" might be what You can see here, behind David. If You compare the patterns in the hologramm with the the patterns on the chair that David is sitting in, I think it's plauseable?

Shasta cyclone

Is there really a rumor of two juggernauts?

Ingeniero

Parkerparrot, Shasta cyclone, and Inquisitor Fifield, I now agree that it looks like the Engineer chair depicted in the hologram. I updated the topic title writeup above. Thank you all. 

Ingeniero

An overview of the controls.

Ingeniero

Horizontal wide, rotated to fit in computer screen.

dk

Following the curveature of the chair, it appers to enter the character's back instead of parellel like most chairs.....

Apex_Predator

Something did indeed happen to shaw. I think she might have become part Engineer herself. Im pretty sure David figured out how to make or create the suit worn by the Engineers. By the goo sunstance or any other means.

What this means for Shaw, who knows.

A L I E N 4 2 6

I find it so ironic how people love to hate on Shaw, but the same people have been the ones asking where she's been the most 

dk

Nah- I still love to hate Shaw and am glad she will get her answer. I only asked since she her fate is an important plot point.

Blackwinter-witch

Shaw's fate is Unresolved, hence massive curiosity, given the ending of PROMETHEUS. That said...I don't 'hate' or 'like' Shaw really...as a character, her development was 'murky', and she's undeveloped because of it. Janek had less screen time, but he was more 'solid' as was Vickers.Vickers I liked, quite curious about her actually.

Holloway...man, I only wish he'd smartmouthed to a Chimeran the way he did to David.

dk

She violated Rule 1 ;)

I liked Vickers too. She was one of a few who could focus- at least until........well, we all know that final lapse of knowledge regarding physics, momentum and trajectory rules.

Blackwinter-witch

dk

Heh Physics...then think about when the tip of that one 'arm' of the ship slammed down on where Shaw was hiding. In any normal universe, she'd have been a thin spray across a 40 meter wide circle.
Vickers forgot the First Main Rule of Space Travel:
'Don't Panic'
She also likely forgot to bring a towel as well.
:D

BigDave

"is there really a rumor of two juggernauts"

Kind of  YES and NO

Two of the reports from the Cinemacon footage had described Two alternative versions of the events.

1) Described the Juggernaught Hovers above a Platform and then pieces rise up and attach to the Juggernaught like a Jigsaw Puzzle before it does its Business.

2) A 2nd account claimed there was another ship like the one from Alien that linked up with the Juggernaught at the ends, and then proceeded in its Business.

The 2nd account could explain why Shaw would have to take control of one of the ships, but then that would mean she would already have had to had been shown how to do this.  The second account if fits with the Hologram of Shaw would mean the TWO of them was in agreement with the Action carried out.

The Problem with these TWO Accounts is they differ in what happened next tool.

BigDave

But indeed as far as what they had been up to in 10 years, Fassbender had hinted they had like a Marriage relationship which most likely means things was fine during a Honeymoon Period before things went to Pot...

We dont know how long they have been on Paradise but we have to assume its over 9 years and we have to assume Shaw is no longer there, but was used in some way by David.  This does not mean she is Dead though... maybe she escapes David or she attempted to.

The Hologram Scene in the TV Spots only confirms at some point Shaw was at the controls of this Juggernaught but it in no way can be taken as a indication of when this was.  It could be shortly before the Crash, or it could be at a earlier point prior to the Crash.

So many things that could have happened in the 10 years before THEY left LV-223 and to when the Covenant Crew Arrive. 

We just dont know 100% what happened, and i dont think we would find out exactly everything that transpired in this movie.

I will ASSUME Shaw made it to Paradise, but Shaw is no longer there by the time the Covenant Crew arrive.

I think a Big Question we should be asking is how does Shaws Dog/ID Tag get stuck hanging from the ceiling of the Juggernauts Corridors (with Space Jockey Suits) that leads to the Central Pilot/Control/Cryo Room.

A violent event like a crashing of the ship would answer this.

The Set reports do claim there was a Room she was hiding away from David in, and so we have to ask why would she be hiding away from him?

Unless she crashed the Ship on Purpose while David was on the Outside Platform... then she would have a good reason to hide from him.

BigDave

@Ingeniero

Its a good idea you raise about David making a signal to Paradise to disguise himself as a incoming Engineer Ship.

This is pretty much similar to what the Rebels had to do in Rogue One when attempting to get on the Death Star. 

This would depend how Advanced the Civilization is on Paradise, as if they are as advanced and operational as say the LV-223 Outpost would have been prior to the Outbreak 2000 years ago.

Then indeed they would not simply allow a Engineer Warship to just enter the Atmosphere without checking up on why they are their and granting them permission.

The Whole Paradise beings/Engineers Civilization looks very Ancient and only the Central Cathedral looks like it has Technology.

I would also question how come these beings had all of a sudden taken a great interest in flocking towards the area the Juggernaught comes down to.

To me its as if these beings would be in as much awe and amazement as how say Ancient Humans would have been if indeed the Ancient Astronaut theories are correct.

So i would assume that these beings on Paradise are not used to seeing Ships coming and going on a regular basis and that this Civilization was Ancient and that the Past Events they indeed did interact from time to time with Superior beings to themselves who visited down upon them... maybe just as Ancient Mankind was when we was given or obtained clues to those Star Maps.

so it could be that these beings on Paradise had not seen any visits by these Superior Beings in quite some time and they saw the Juggernaught arriving as the return of these Superior Beings above them.

They simply could not have been aware of the kind of Ship the Juggernaught is and its purpose or else they would have ran for cover.

And they cant have any advanced Technology or else they would have taken down the Juggernaught if they knew what it was.

But maybe after they witnessed the reason David was there, they then managed to activate something to take the Juggernaught out of the sky.

Resurgence

The "tail" is at the time of playback physically there not a hologram explained by how it displays no static and is non-transparent, however the figure in the chair is clearly screaming in pain.

Resurgence

and this is in fact shaw if you look you will see, she has her head turned

BigDave

Interesting.....

Its so hard to make out due to how these Holograms work but it does look like her Mouth is Wide open here in that shot.

Just played through that shot over and over on a few frame repeat and it could be a glitch in how the Holograms break up.

I however could see this scene as being something where Shaw is in a rush and panicking more than in any pain.

BigDave

I am starting to think Alien Covenant will loosely give us clues to the Xenomorph and maybe its a Red Herring but at very least will be a Fan Service Attempt to please those who was looking forwards to Alien 5

And i think the Greatest Mystery to be Told is indeed what transpired those 10 years prior to when the Covenant arrives at Paradise.  I think this is where Covenant will raise a number of Questions that only the events prior to Alien Covenant can answer.

Because if we look instead at Alien Covenant onward as far as the aftermath, then its quite a Predictable Event.

Shasta cyclone

very interesting thought BD. So basically Those beings are not in the loop and saw the ship or two, ran to it in amazement and Shaw and David Killed them. If those beings were not in the know of what happened 2000 years ago they were basically murdered,right?   that's messed up. lol  BUT that could add a whole lot of story line moving forward into other movies. Because I bet something or someone was watching them and now they're gone. There will be Hell to pay. 

Resurgence

kinda funny, the engineers have mastered interstellar transportation, and genetic manipulation, but can't make a decently clear hologram.