PraetorianMember3420 XPApr-02-2017 8:56 PMIs that the docking station (below oval opening) for an Engineer ship in front of the temple dome that was described in the media?
High contrast enhanced.
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-02-2017 10:29 PMAnd TY again for very nice and very useful pics!!
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-02-2017 11:02 PM
The importance of your work and why it's so appreciated by me is that ALIEN: Manticore is Part 1 of a Trilogy, and Part 2 sees Manticore arriving at Paradise and your pics allow me to have a very solid grasp of what they will find there.
Assuming the crew of Covenant doesn't Nuke the place. :)
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-03-2017 6:09 AMIts either some kind of Docking Area
Or maybe also the Pit where the Engineer Elder Head Statues are located?
I wonder if the Buddha style Offering Statues (A) hold some significance to what this Pit/Docking Bay is for.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
FacehuggerMember167 XPApr-03-2017 11:51 AMThe pit could be for sacrifices, or testing new creations.
The shot could be a massive red herring, but what intrigues me is that there are no bodies so what caused thousands of people to ac***ulate there and get ,seemingly, nuked?
there must be some kind of flashback that shows what happened. It could be the engineers did it to some other race they created for fun?
FacehuggerMember281 XPApr-03-2017 12:00 PMIm with you BD on that is were the elder heads are at.
very curious as to why that would be there too.
PraetorianMember3420 XPApr-03-2017 12:37 PMBigDave and Shasta cyclone, great observation with the opening in the ceiling in the room with the heads.
FacehuggerMember446 XPApr-03-2017 1:55 PMIMO - It appears to be a docking station for the 'Elder' Engineer ship from the opening sequence in Prometheus?
FacehuggerMember240 XPApr-03-2017 2:04 PMOne of the faces looks just like one of the elder Engineers ;)
PraetorianMember3420 XPApr-03-2017 2:35 PMThat is an excellent catch Davefried81. I was referring to the ship shown in the beginning of Prometheus in the topic opener above and didn't even think of these Engineer elders.
Are these Engineer elders what the heads in the Paradise temple represent?
Fantastic.
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-19-2017 1:23 PMWell the Empire Magazine Scans seem to confirm that Hole/Pit is actually a Hanger like in Prometheus.
The Head Statues could still be part of this.. they certainly dont fit the whole Cathedral unless its the very very top due to this scale.
I have roughly estimated the City and its Pretty Big, the Cathedral and Courtyard is Huge.
This is based on the Hanger being the same size as that in Prometheus (430M Approx).
So this means the Cathedral is bigger than the Temple Mound in Prometheus which was nearly 710M
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-19-2017 1:34 PMWhich means the Total Height of the Cathedral including the Gold Device is about 475M approx... Thats Twice the size of the Temple Mound in Prometheus.
So indeed the Cathedral is truly epic in Size.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
OvomorphMember86 XPApr-19-2017 4:43 PMWell, Ridley Scott said they represented a "superior people." He was likely hinting towards the hierarchy (Gods vs. creation). The apostles was one good example given by folks on this forum. Therefore the Engineers are only servants to a higher power.
OvomorphMember86 XPApr-19-2017 4:43 PMWell, Ridley Scott said they represented a "superior people." He was likely hinting towards the hierarchy (Gods vs. creation). The apostles was one good example given by folks on this forum. Therefore the Engineers are only servants to a higher power.
PraetorianMember3420 XPApr-19-2017 5:17 PMThat is so awesome BigDave. That's right, we got dimensions on the LV-223 pyramids. Great analysis.
The complex and courtyard is huge like Vatican city with the surrounding population up against it with smaller buildings. The complex on Paradise (if that is the planet) is huge especially the courtyard and cathedral. Huge.
PraetorianMember3420 XPApr-19-2017 5:21 PMK-Theory, I believe you are correct. Ridley Scott has clarified that the Engineers answer to someone else.
“We’ve come back with a very simple idea. Who made them?
No one ever asked that question. Alien was just about there it is; it exists. And this is what it is … So we’ve reinvented the idea of Alien, I think, which is that Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to make human beings. And if you think it’s them [the Engineers], you’re dead wrong.”
Ridley Scott to Collider.
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-19-2017 5:56 PMThe apostles was what Ridley Scott referred to them as, and indeed there is a Higher Power a Hierarchy.
We dont know how many levels go above the Engineers, and in what way the Hierarchy is.
Is it a Higher Cast but in the same image like God is to the Angels?
Is it more like the Greek Gods Hierarchy and so Titans vs Olympians? (which the Annunaki and Igigi can fit into).
Is it like Ancient Egypt where we have the Pharaohs over the rest of the Population?
Or like many Ancient Tribes (or some still on Earth) where the Elders of the Tribe are the rulers?
Those Heads in the Hall of Heads area are indeed most likely above those beings on Paradise, but are they above the Engineers or just Elder kind of Engineers?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-19-2017 6:01 PMThanks Ingeniero
This image allowed me to make the educated guess, i simply worked out how much wider the Hanger was to the dimensions of the Juggernaught and X this difference by 300M to give me 430M diameter
With this i could then roughly measure the differences of the Courtyard and Cathedral compared to the diameter of the Hanger and X the difference by 430M
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-19-2017 6:03 PMAs far as Scots comments there was a alternative interpretation where the Humans was replaced by the Xenomorph.
sometimes i do wonder if Ridley Scott even knows what he is on about lol.
So i guess it throws everything up into the air...
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
PraetorianMember3420 XPApr-19-2017 7:43 PM"sometimes i do wonder if Ridley Scott even knows what he is on about lol."
It isn't all etched in stone when they start filming BigDave.
I remember that they tossed around the idea of a pyramid instead of the Engineer teardrop ship in the beginning of Prometheus. That was scrapped because it was too "Stargate".
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-20-2017 7:43 AMYeah ;)
I am mainly on about how is comments seem to change a few things, Prometheus 2 has had a lot of evolution from discusions with Lindeloff where they had ideas to where they would go next but he was busy and so Scott got in 2013 Paglen to work on a script, which had a number of re-writes and then i think it was March 2014 Green was brought in and they finally had a Draft done by October 2014 and From then to November was the Process of fleshing out some rough concepts for that Plot... which is when a number of people who worked on the movie came in to then take this rough ideas and evolve them.
John Logan was brought in the Summer of 2015 to re-write the draft a few times until we had a Change of Direction and Alien Covenant.
Its just some of Ridleys comments made after Alien Covenant had finished shooting etc from Summer 2016 to Recently seem to change a bit... even some of his comments a few months ago seemed to point to differences than his recent ones.
so we really dont know what is going on as far as the WHO Made it and WHY (Xenomorph) and other things.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-20-2017 7:58 AMOr is it depending how we read his comments.... here is a prime example.
“They’re going to go to the planet where the engineers came from, and come across the evolving creature that they had made,” related Scott. “Why did they make it? Why would they make such a terrifying beast? It felt bio-mechanoid, it felt like a weapon. And so the movie will explain that, and reintroduce the alien back into it.”
This would lead us to the THEY being the Engineers? this evolving creature?
Which contradicts
"We’ve reinvented the idea of Alien, which is that Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to make human beings. And if you think it’s them,” Scott said, gesturing to the monolithic figures of the Engineers surrounding us, “you’re dead wrong.”
The First Statement was December 2015 a Month after Alien: Covenant was announced and 5 Months after John Logan was brought in, while the 2nd Statement was made in June 2016 to a group of reporters on Set that was Embargoed until March 1st 2017 this is when it was released to the Public.
Why the contradiction?
Unless we read the first statement wrong and the THEY is referring to the first mention of THEY in the statement "They’re going to go to the planet where the engineers came from"
So they are... as in Covenant Crew (Humans) or David and Shaw?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
PraetorianMember3420 XPApr-21-2017 10:13 AMBigDave, I believe the "they're going" mentioned above in December 2015 was Covenant crew and "they made" refers to David 8 and Dr. Elizabeth Shaw.
I believe what you see attacking the Covenant crew is the evolving creatures David 8 created. I can't tell if Dr. Shaw was involved in creating the creature.
