TrilobiteMember8212 XPMar-22-2017 10:46 PMIf the intent is to colonize the planet, is the Covenant supposed to land or stay in orbit? It seems a lot of equipment needs to be delivered to the surface logistically. A drop ship might not be enough to shuttle things to and fro. Thoughts?
FacehuggerMember137 XPMar-22-2017 11:09 PMIsn't the story (again) that the mission was to a different planet but it was diverted while en route to that planet to investigate something on another? If so, then there'd be no reason to start sending down terraforming/colonizing materials to the planet they land on.
TrilobiteMember8212 XPMar-22-2017 11:12 PMFair point. This seems like a one way mission though. I wonder if the Covenant is intended to land.
XenomorphMember1234 XPMar-23-2017 12:18 AMLooks a little 'flimsy' for atmospheric entry. I'd reckon it'd be pulled apart in orbit and the parts ferried down.
TrilobiteMember8212 XPMar-23-2017 12:32 AMSM
That makes me wonder how they intend to establish a colony on ground and what happens to the larger ship.
XenomorphMember1234 XPMar-23-2017 12:56 AMDetach all the modules and ferry them down the surface usng landing vehicles. Then take the remaining frame apart and take that down too.
FacehuggerMember163 XPMar-23-2017 1:32 AMYeah, the 'flying cargo deck' ship at the end of the trailer looks like it was made for that purpose. I'm guessing the trucks/vehicles we see in the Covenant are ferried down on that thing, so as SM says, they could dismantle the Covenant in orbit and ferry it down in parts too. There must be large terraforming equipment either on board or that are constructed out of parts of the ship.
TrilobiteMember8212 XPMar-23-2017 1:43 AMThat makes sense. Somehow I cannot see the movie getting into those details, but it would be interesting in its own right.
FacehuggerMember281 XPMar-23-2017 2:27 AMisn't part of the actual ship supposed to part of the terraforming machine? I had read that somewhere but it could have been just a thought.
DeaconMember10358 XPMar-23-2017 4:13 AMI would assume not....
I would also assume the Drop Ship at the end of the Trailer, is a ship that loads up parts of the Covenant Modules (Marked in Green) to then Transport to the Surface and they are Assembled like a Giant Lego Set.
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FacehuggerMember245 XPMar-23-2017 5:55 AM@Shasta
I agree that sounds like Ridley Scott, making the ship itself part of the terraforming machinery once it gets planetside. I feel there are probably a few drop ships or cargo ships that can detach....but Ridley always has everything make sense in his films or be of use and be logical when it comes to the ships or machinery...i just feel you are correct in that he would have created the ship with that logic or someting similar when designing everything....just Ridley being Ridley
PraetorianMember3418 XPApr-05-2017 10:45 PMGood topic dk.
The latest trailers show what appears to be the Covenant ship dropping down through the clouds towards the surface.
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-05-2017 11:01 PMYou guys are brilliant!! I NEVER saw the connection between how the ship is built and the design of the dropship!! I agree, such design aspects would be VERY logical and be very sensible in the planning of an initial colony site/set-up!
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TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-05-2017 11:51 PMFrom a monetary standpoint, it would be a better investment to ensure maximum use of all equipment for the intended mission. WY may have gobs of cash but even the richest of the rich want maximum returns on minimal expense- if they are smart. It's just math.
OvomorphMember15 XPApr-05-2017 11:56 PMThe points made here about the modules are interesting especially in relation to the scene in the new trailer with the record player. Someone pointed out it looks like something from the ISS so it really could be the/a dropship. As I recall Ridley said that the Awakening title was especially profound given where the ship was heading next after Paradise so I'd assume where ever they go it's gonna need some effort to terraform it.
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-06-2017 12:22 AM
Bingo! Exactly! It's also time-management efficient as the sooner a colony is up and running the sooner it starts producing, say, mined ores and such.
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TrilobiteMember5639 XPApr-06-2017 12:29 AMDK - You have posed an exceedingly compelling question! Like many of the others whom have speculated, I believe the Covenant is an orbital starship designed to drop smaller landers - a spaceborne hub. Thank you ever so much for taking the time to begin this extremely engaging topic! :)
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-06-2017 12:56 AM
Well, to be fair, 'such' could mean assorted useful and beneficial things derived from alien plants and animals on various colony worlds.. But in the main, the sooner a colony starts producing, the better, is what I meant. :)
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TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-06-2017 1:05 AMBlackwinter-witch Understood. I meant the "such" as something more sinister or at least a hidden agenda.
FacehuggerMember205 XPApr-06-2017 1:11 AM@Ingeniero
In Your second image one can see the Covenant in orbit with all these pods underneath. It seems as those are not present on the second image. My guess is that those pods are some kind of separate livingquarters for the colonists, once they get settled on the new planet. Beeing absent in the second image could mean that they've been detached in orbit, beeing to valuable to risk in an landingattempt.
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PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-06-2017 1:22 AM
Great and Dark minds think alike. :) BUT, I think it's safe to assume there won't be Aliens waiting to pounce on every world Humanity colonizes.
...BUT, there might be some things like, I dunno, some kind of Super-Opium that's Illegal, but when did any good money-grubbing megacorporation ever turn away from something that makes them beaucoup bucks? Sinister/hidden agendas, oh there's SO many possibilities...maybe some local plant, or combo of such Greatly extends Human Lifespan, BUT, it's hard to harvest/very limited growths, so it's KEPT QUIET and available only to those with supreme $$ and Supreme Discretion...
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TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-06-2017 1:33 AMBlackwinter-witch ...and ultimately comes back to f%$k us all. Interesting how the franchise has religious themes of gods and demons, which is interesting in its own right, but it seems we screw things up by ourselves so well that we need no other worldly or spiritual assistance. We perfected the art all by ourselves. And what a way to sell it as a mission of building better worlds and other buzzwords to earn public trust. IDK I might be getting into BD territory here.
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-06-2017 1:44 AM
No, you're making an excellent point!! In ALIEN: Manticore I have the Captain make that same observation regarding Humanity, the Engineers and how Humanity has enough problems of it's OWN making and doesn't need any more from Globicidal extraterrestrials.
Nefarious activities by persons and corporations, governments..well, that's just...The Human Way. Remember Ripley's comment about her 'not knowing which species is worse, you don't see them F---ing each other over for a dollar.' ?? That alone supports your points right there. :)
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PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-06-2017 1:56 AM
TY for saying! :) When I was working out the dialogue for the characters (good thing hubby understands when I'm 'talking to myself') I had that burst into my head, thought about leaving it out, then realized that if I did discard it, it'd mess up some main story points, especially some key character motivations.
Also, and I think you'll agree, it's a Truth about the Human Condition. An unpleasant one, but a Truth nonetheless.
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TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-06-2017 2:03 AMYes, the human condition and scifi was brought up before in a different thread as I recall. Maybe the off the beaten path movie thread- I don't remember.
I think I may know what you mean about talking to oneself. I wrote some stuff on a thread nin coughed up. It was exactly that- rehearsing the dialogue with a mental picture of the scene and then writing it out how people actually talk instead of word smithing and polishing every line- if that makes sense.
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-06-2017 2:08 AM
Makes total sense! It also really helps me in getting the 'mood' of a scene right, and being able to properly frame tones and such. I've tried just keeping it in my head, but I dunno, the 'feedback' one gets in acting/talking out a scene and dialogue, allows a better 'grasping' of things.
Discussions of The Human Condition are likely all across every ALIEN themed forum as mainly that IS what the franchise is about.
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TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-06-2017 2:16 AMBlackwinter-witch Sounds like you are all in. Not sure if you are into the band Motorhead, but the late great Lemmy once said regarding presenting material to the masses- "Fly your flag up the pole and see who salutes it!"
PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-06-2017 2:22 AM
I forget at the moment who said it, but akin to Lemmy's advice, it was: "Write for yourself, not for the audience. Then you'll find out who genuinely appreciates your stories." It might have been Arthur C Clarke, maybe Asimov, or Bradbury...I just recall the quote.
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TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-06-2017 2:41 AMBWW- sounds familiar. Mark Twain wrote some decent stuff and had some words about writing too. You probably know and don't mean to insult intelligence but here are some gems:
