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David 8 and Ripley 8 Paralells

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Brittis404

MemberOvomorphMar-20-2017 5:27 PM

Is there any significance or foreshadowing in the fact that in Alien:Resurrection The Ripley clone was known as Ripley-8 and David is known as David-8? The Ripley clone as a result of her DNA being mixed with the Alien's during the cloning process, is endowed with enhanced strength and reflexes, acidic blood, "inherited memories" from Ellen Ripley's past and an empathic link with the Aliens. David 8 is also a perfect confluence of technologies. His advanced cybernetic vision has been further improved to include focus-adjust in low light conditions. Additionally, David has an advanced polyurethane coating which replicates the biological properties of human skin to exact texture, pliability and tensile strength. Davd also has micro-distributed accelerometers which provide ultra-keen kinesthetic awareness. (Seeing a connection yet?) Finally, let us all not forget the basketball scenes. In Resurrection, Ripley-8 throws the ball casually over her shoulder and sinks it in while walking away and David, whilst riding a bicycle, tosses the ball in effortlessly while riding circles around the court. Are the filmmakers hinting to us that what David is doing on Paradise is what the scientists did in Resurrection i.e.: attempting to create the perfect organism?

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Ati

MemberPraetorianMar-20-2017 6:08 PM

The mysterious 8... In the movie Alien the xenomorph is the 8th passenger. Some European countries used the title 'The Eighth Passenger is the Death" for the film.

For example, in Hungary: A nyolcadik utas a halál.

Rick

MemberXenomorphMar-20-2017 6:39 PM

Yes, the mysterious 8 appears everywhere throughout the franchise.  Look at the lights next to Walter.  They make the Figure 8.  They weren't present before.

Neomorph

MemberChestbursterMar-20-2017 7:15 PM

"The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 8

The number 8 in the Bible represents a new beginning, meaning a new order or creation, and man's true 'born again' event when he is resurrected from the dead into eternal life.

http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/8.html"

 

Other symbolism:

"Character:
The Boss, powerful drive to succeed, the ability to rise above aversions and adversity, good decision-making, intensely active, seizes opportunities, takes control, wants security, achieves success.

Negative:

The negative aspects of number 8 are a tendency towards a superiority complex, greed, tactlessness and domineering, sneering, condescending and superior."

http://numerology-thenumbersandtheirmeanings.blogspot.se/2011/05/number-8.html?m=1

More interesting symbolism:

http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu8.php

Raido

MemberFacehuggerMar-20-2017 7:26 PM

From a numerologist's standpoint, in The Meaning of the Number 8:

"...8 is the great Karmic equalizer, a force that just as easily creates as it destroys. When the 8 comes knocking, you can be assured that you will reap what you've sown.

The 8 balances the material and immaterial worlds. At its best, it is as spiritual as it is materialistic. The spiritual side of the 8 is practical, realistic and intelligent. It knows the difference between make-believe and genuine spiritual realizations. On the material plane, it is focused on results.... It is not greedy, it sees money as a tool, not an end-result. It is generous and willing to take risks. People with strong 8s in their charts often make and lose fortunes a couple of times during their life.

....Some of the more recognizable traits of the 8 are drive, ambition, authority, efficiency, organization, management, discipline and control. The 8 is goal-oriented, focused, has good judgment, can discriminate and is practical, a realist."

Certainly, David and Ripley's fortunes rise and fall and rise again over the course of their lives, and both have some similar personality traits; drive to survive, a realist's clear-headedness where others fall to fear or stupidity, a focus on success. Interestingly, David seems to be fulfilling the role Ripley had in the original films; the thread that ties everything together, around whom everything else revolves.

However, they also seem to contrast in one big way ("seem to" as Covenant is not out yet and this is conjecture). While David is [apparently going to be] the Creator, Ripley is the Destroyer (as the xenomorphs saw her in one of the recent Alien tie-in novels--I think it was "Sea of Sorrows"). I'll be intrigued to see what other parallels/contrasts they have (if any) as the new movies play out...

Raido

MemberFacehuggerMar-20-2017 7:32 PM

@Neomorph: Interesting how, in a Biblical context, the number 8 fits perfectly Ripley (who was resurrected) and David (who is a new creation). I have a strong suspicion that we will find that Weyland created the latter to be an improvement upon, or evolutionary next-step for, mankind. Perhaps he had intended to make a biomechanical David, but died before that could be completed--and hence Walter, a continuation of Weyland's work.

..58 days is too damn long to wait.

Rick

MemberXenomorphMar-20-2017 7:49 PM

That Last sentence is a reminder.....STOP.....LOL it makes it feel longer

Grinning & Dropping Linen

MemberFacehuggerMar-21-2017 5:40 AM

I would rather ignore that Alien Resurrection ever happened. I just hate that movie, it was over the top with horrible dialog, cheesy acting and situations throughout. They found a way to shoehorn Sigourney Weaver back into a sequel that was not scary, over the top with corny banter between the actors, there were so many wince inducing moments, it felt more like an Asylum Film like Sharktopus at times. I can appreciate that some people like it but for me i think it is awful in every way, i cant even appreciate it as a popcorn film because not many films are such an abomination of their own film franchise or are a corny as it was. To me as bad as the AVP movies were Alien Resurrection is worse, way worse i cant watch it without wincing at so many moments throughout that film for just how corney and cheesy it is. 

I tried watching it last week as i was going through all the Alien films on Amazon, it is hard to watch....after watching Alien and Aliens and yes even Alien 3 (even though i hate what they did to Newt and Hicks and would have been better using William Gibsons screenplay) ....Alien Resurrection doesnt fit, comparing it to any of those three, especially the first 2, the acting is poor, the dialog cheesy, the overall tone is campy and corny throughout, it just feels like the kind of cheesy dialog and scenes that take you out of a film, kind of like the stuff Michael Bay does at his worst moments in the Transformers franchise. Tone was all wrong, needed to be done with Sigourney, and so many other things, but i would rather ignore that film as a whole and disregard any connection it has to other films, but thats just my opinion.

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