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Apex_Predator

MemberFacehuggerMar-15-2017 3:56 PM

This day the LORD will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down; and I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, and that all this assembly may know that God saves not with sword and spear; for the battle is God's, and he will give you into our hand."

 

David tells Goliath before chaos ensues.

Could this mean God slained the engineers before David got there or that David was the one involved in taking down Goliath the engineers in this case.

 

What do you guys make of it?

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Shasta cyclone

MemberFacehuggerMar-15-2017 6:10 PM

Well I wouldn't use the term God but maybe a hierarchy that were watching/ruling over them or another race they're at war with....or they sacrificed themselves. 

But that is an interesting theory.

Rick

MemberXenomorphMar-15-2017 6:22 PM

Thats a good find there Apex.  We all know Ridley loves to present you with something and you need to search for its hidden meaning.  ie Allegories

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-15-2017 10:47 PM

Apex_Predator, "David was the one involved in taking down Goliath the engineers in this case"

It seems to me as if David is using the Engineers' resources (bodies, technology) to create something to wipe out humanity (Goliath).

I read that David had a discussion about God with Peter Weyland upon waking up for the first time and the story of David and Goliath may have come up and made a permanent impression on David 8.

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BigDave

MemberDeaconMar-16-2017 1:08 AM

Who knows...  even if Weyland and David dont talk about David and Goliath in the Prologue if it shows Weyland talks about some Biblical themes, then we can safely assume off-screen over the years that David and Weyland have had many conversions about Mythos, Religion, Mortality and Philosophy.

I dont think Ridley does clues like this to mean nothing, but then again he may use them as a deliberate Red Herring and Ambiguous theme to get us all debating...

So lets have a go lol

"David was the one involved in taking down Goliath the engineers in this case"

Maybe.... who knows.. we have to wait and see what the Disaster Scene is about, it looks to not be Black Goo to me as i mentioned in the other thread.... but regardless of even if this was a Ancient Event or not..

It would appear that surely there has to be some Engineers or Related left that David came across, either on Paradise or in Cryo-sleep on the Juggernaught.

And so indeed its at Davids Hands the Last may have fallen.. Sweet Justice for the Giant ripping Davids head off in Prometheus.

A thing to remember is those Giants (Engineers) on LV-223 in Prometheus had also suffered a dismise something killed them, relating to the Outbreak... we saw what the Outbreak did to the Prometheus Crew or after they landed.

*Fifield Mutant

*Shaws Trillobite infection

*Hammerpedes

Its the latter that could be a event that happened in the past too as those Worms was not brought there by the Prometheus crew or so it seemed... so they could have been indigenous or arrived there at some point thousands of years ago.

David brought down Goliath with the Sling on his shoulder here...

Note this does not look like a Sling... it looks like a Eel lol or similar...

So what could have brought down the Engineers before... a Eel? Well the Hammerpedes look like a Eel a bit...

But this is just reading into it too much lol,  but indeed i felt the Hammerpedes was the most likely cause for the Chest Busted Engineers in Cryo-sleep...  Hammepedes evolved from those Worms and if they are like most Worms... they are EGG LAYERS.

But alas seems Ridley Scott is ret-con the Space Jockey Event to a event some up-to 18 years prior to Alien.. i hope not.

So yes that Statue does look very much the same as the Engineer we see Plasticated  (or how ever you spell it).

Does this mean David killed Engineers?

The Engineer in the OT is the same position as David as in Statue of David..  could this Engineer had been the David from David and Goliath... did this Engineer or being destroy the others on Paradise?

Did David make a Covenant with him... only to then screw him over some time latter..?

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconMar-16-2017 1:15 AM

Also maybe those beings on Paradise could be the Philistines  in the Biblical Reference in the OT and the Israelites being Mankind?

It also seems likely the Engineers are not the Top of the Hierarchy or indeed at least maybe also there are other beings below them that are not Humans.

So we could have our Biblical God who is maybe Gods (another race of beings) the Philistines (the natives killed on Paradise) and Israelites Mankind (Humans on Earth)

This could bring a lot of things into context... certainly theories of Rival Factions etc... Maybe also  the Topic i made HERE about what Really Killed those Engineers/Beings.

Oh also throw this out..

The Statue of David has a overgrown Right Hand...  now we did see something like that in the Trailer

But this is just maybe a blurred Human ....

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

MemberNeomorphMar-16-2017 1:24 AM

would tie in with davids apparent fascination with shaw. she was a true believer and was the only survivor of the Prometheus.

BigDave

MemberDeaconMar-16-2017 1:40 AM

I am trying to think how Shaw connects to it all.... we know she wanted answers.. it depends on what happened prior to when they arrive... Fassbender hints that David is fond of her and looks out for her... but something must happen along the way.

I cant see her allow him to experiment so she would have got in his way...

I will make a Topic latter to discus this....  maybe we have to ask what is left for Shaw? she had nothing to home for...

If she cant get her answers on Paradise then what?  Shaw has nothing to live for..... Unless David can find a way for her to Bare Children and i dont mean Trilobites...

Maybe David can get Shaw and a Engineer related being to settle down and repopulate Paradise... sounds perverted and Odd... but  who knows... maybe Shaw is the new EVE and we wonder who would be ADAM... lol

Then David screws them both over.. now that would be interesting...  I can imagine it like 10 Cloverfield Lane... where David  has a Howard moment lol

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

MemberNeomorphMar-16-2017 1:47 AM

to begin with I was more for the idea she survives and after discovering davids experiments she leaves to continue her quest to find the engineer home planet and get her answers. to me she is a different kind of character we haven't had from ridley. shes not the warrior class female lead trying to wipe out the xeno, she is a believer wanting answers so I thought it would have been a waste, with more sequels in mind, to just kill her off.

now, after discussions on here, im leaning toward the queen theory. the black goo has infected her womb and she continues to produce 'something'.

a theory I had was that david has indeed grown fond or at least fascinated with shaw and realising she is infected, has put her back into stasis till he can help her. thus his sinister actions have a genuine motive

BigDave

MemberDeaconMar-16-2017 2:08 AM

Indeed i remember that theory...

I think if we look at the Enchanted Boy Song, maybe it could show that David can love if he feels loved and maybe if he feels Shaw will respect him he will treat her ok...

But then something has to happen... maybe once David realizes he can create his own Creation he would then care more for this than Shaw, if she then tries to get in his way... oh well.

I think Shaws fate will be teased...  i do think its nice to think she get her answers and maybe she does in a way she may not like but this is covered in the ADF prequel book.

It would be a theory she went to another place but how?

We have to remember the Engineer said he was from Paradise and no doubt the directions to this place is where they went to

We have to remember a few things..

FROM... what does this mean?

It does not have to be where the Engineers are from, if you was say in the USA and someone asked where you are from.. you could say the USA and this would be true... but then in reality your Races origins would have came from Africa or Europe unless you are a Native Indian.

Also its what role are the Engineers are they at one time the Cherub Guardian Angels of Paradise, so they dont come from there but they was tasked with Watching over Paradise.

Or did the Engineers Race originate from Paradise.

It seems the Engineers are not the Top of Hierarchy and was created by something else or other beings, and so if Shaw finds out the Engineers all dead, or they was created by another Race, then yes maybe she would wanted to go off to find them.

And so any potential Creators of the Engineers may indeed have not come from Paradise at all.... Paradise is just a World they created their creations (Engineers) on.

Thats possible.. then.. for Shaw to be off to where those who created the Engineers came from... but i think she would be used a Plot Device

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconMar-16-2017 2:10 AM

I can elaborate on potential Plot points if i bring the Source into the equation but then i cant say if they are 100% correct but a lot adds up... which i can elaborate on if anyone wants.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

suwhited

MemberFacehuggerMar-16-2017 6:24 AM

As much as I know Ridley wants to embed biblical symbology all over this franchise, the feelings I get about David is almost a Pinocchio type story (boy wanting to be human, type of thing..).

I do believe David is trying to demonstrate human traits and one of the most unique characteristics to humans over animals and machines is the expression of innate artistic ability.

Of course the other human characteristic is that we bury our dead, which I do hope David practices during the movie...

Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianMar-16-2017 7:46 AM

"Hammerpedes evolved from those Worms and if they are like most Worms... they are EGG LAYERS.", I believe that is a cornerstone BigDave. That is good and could easily be a topic of it's own.

The hammerpedes are the first thing we saw moving in the activation phase of this room below.

The soil movement (hammerpedes) showed up even before the agitation began in the black goo urns.

 

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