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"Mother"- Where the eggs came from.

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FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 7:11 AM

When the SXSW news about the preview came out, there was a scene where David and Oram were talking and David says how he is a zoologist and he is creating the "perfect" organism.

David also says that "they are waiting for mother" This means that the eggs have a "mother" that lays them, It also means that this "mother" is alive but Dormant for some reason.

Tell me your thoughts below :)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

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Grinning & Dropping Linen

FacehuggerMember245 XPMar-15-2017 7:16 AM

He is implying that these eggs need a host...which in this case would be a human and this would be Oram in this case. The "mother" of his creations that they are waiting on is whichever poor soul, male or female gets facehugged by the creatures residing in these eggs, as they will become "mother" to the organism that will eventually burst forth from them...in this case there are no chickens, just eggs...Ridley will not use the Queen concept in his movies trust me

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 7:25 AM

from what I read he says 'all they need is a mother', suggesting a host to birth the embryo

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 7:27 AM

@ Grinning & Linen

I wasn't talking about a queen, I was talking about one of David's experiments.

I think David created something that probably laid the eggs, hence why he said "they are waiting for mother"

Also: the phrase "they are waiting for mother" implies that "mother" is actually a name that David gave this thing.

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 7:38 AM

seems to be some confussion as to what david actually says. iv read its 'need a mother', maybe wrong though

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-15-2017 7:39 AM

Could David been referring to MU-TH-UR, or AI, when speaking to Crudup?

David would be (I assume) familiar with programs in development at Weyland Industries at the time he was marooned on Paradise.

Could David anticipate corporate (Weyland-Yutani Corporation: MU-TH-UR) sending someone (to answer his distress signal) to provide exactly what he (David 8) needs to complete his biology work on Paradise. Walter seems to be a walking MU-TH-UR.  

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 7:40 AM

@ ali81

Can you please tell me where you read that?

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 7:41 AM

also if they were laid by something, why would they be waiting for its return? they need hosts not the thing that laid them no?

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 7:42 AM

ill see if I can find it again and let u know. I could be mistaken but ill search

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 7:43 AM

@ Ingeniero

Maybe but I highly doubt it, nice suggestion though :)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 7:44 AM

@ ali81

Thank you ;)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 7:54 AM

I haven't found it yet but this is a copy of what was printed on the alien SXSW news roundup thread

One of the crew somehow meets David (from Prometheus) who has been living on the planet for over a decade, experimenting with the black ooze from Prometheus. He tells the person how he’s been testing it with a variety of genetic techniques, in an attempt to create life. He shows the person all his failed attempts and tells him that he thinks he’s figured out how the create the perfect specimen. He just needs one more thing. He leads the person into another room and shows him some eggs. These eggs, of course, contain facehuggers. And one attaches itself to the man’s face.

 

I know it doesn't say 'all they need is a mother' or something to that effect but it does slightly support that I don't believe they r waiting on mother. its one of those 'I know I read it somewhere I just cant find it again' scenarios lol, I will keep trying though

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-15-2017 8:05 AM

Thank you Movie fan.

I didn't have much to go on but "Mother" is how the Nostromo crew (in the future I know) refers to the artificial intelligence.

David could be waiting for a response to his distress signal sent from Paradise from corporate AI. Corporate delivered a ship full of bright-eyed idealistic colonists.

What would be a better contribution to David's biology project on Paradise than a ship full of colonists and most likely a DNA sample from every conceivable life form on Earth?

The Covenant ship brings these:

Also, David would have a portfolio of plant life DNA from the Bio-Replicator Pods above (Weyland-Yutani Corporation technology) and I'm sure re-task any technology he could get his artificial hands on.

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-15-2017 8:08 AM

"The final preview scene starts on Michael Fassbender's android, David, who definitely is the Prometheus android, and not the new Covenant android, in this scene. David escorts Billy Crudup's character through what The Verge describes as a "personal workshop of biological terrors" David is explaining that, in an effort to fully understand the alien that they encountered in the finale of Prometheus, he has been experimenting with genetic mutations of these creatures, and that he has genetically engineered new versions of the Alien. David says that he has been waiting for one last piece of his genetic puzzle to fall into place, at which point he brings Crudup's character into a room that contains the four eggs that we know from Ridley Scott's original Alien. David's final puzzle piece is "mother," or a waiting host, and he wants Crudup's character to be that for him. Yikes!"

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1634600/ridley-scott-revealed-some-serious-alien-covenant-spoilers-at-sxsw

 

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 8:12 AM

im sure what I read was along the lines of...

david reveals he is in the process of creating the perfect organism then leading the person into the egg chamber. he then says all they need is a mother. egg opens etc etc

along those lines....

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 8:17 AM

@ Ingeniero

I understand your point, but the article you posted might be wrong: they said that there were 4 eggs, the set pictures and trailer shows 7+ eggs so they could be wrong about other things too.

Just a suggestion ;)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 8:19 AM

@ ali81

Can you post the link to the article you read this at?

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-15-2017 8:29 AM

Movie fan, yes, we can't depend on the twitter based media that continues to "grab a detail and write an opinion essay" on it.

There are many holes in the coverage of the immaculate story that is Alien: Covenant. Great topic.

 

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 8:30 AM

the article I read may be wrong aswell. I still cant find it yet but will keep searching. the point im trying to make is that david is waiting on mothers for the perfect organism, not the organism that laid the eggs to return. the creature that lays the eggs is of no use to the ace hugger inside. kane was a mother, to kanes son. it just a human term for that which births offspring as in human terms fathers cannot give birth. it would make more sense for the scene for david to refer to mother as the soon to be human hosts, which I believe is why he sent to signal. he got to this point and knew he needed mothers to birth the embryos. I could be wrong and there could be something else entirely but from the other movies, which yes r dated after AC, the next stage in the life cycle is a host. in aliens, other than physically being in the same room as the eggs, the queen doesn't seem to take much to do the eggs other than wanting them to be protected. they don't hatch as she is of no use to the hugger inside.

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 8:37 AM

Indeed, Ingeniero some people don't understand what characters say and some people want to post fake news.

I'm just glad I found this website, one of the only websites I can trust :)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 8:41 AM

@ ali81

I think the reason why they wait for "mother" is because "mother" can make more eggs to help procreate the xenomorph species and lead to total victory, but then your theory could be correct too.

Only time will tell.

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

suwhited

FacehuggerMember355 XPMar-15-2017 8:46 AM

I think it is pretty clear Ol' Dave is referring to the host/victim as mother.

Dammit, dude has no soul...

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 8:47 AM

true, wel only know once the film comes out so till then its all speculation. these sources can often be full of mis-quotes or some has genuinely thought they heard words that may not have been said. as is some folk (myself) can think they read something they didn't lol. I am 98% I read it but I could be just tired lol

Movie fan

FacehuggerMember500 XPMar-15-2017 10:29 AM

Like I said, people might misinterpret wording or meaning we really just don't know.

keep posting your thoughts below :)

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

auximenes

FacehuggerMember137 XPMar-15-2017 9:33 PM

I'm rather sure David's looking for a mother, something to gestate and birth his creations. The facehugger I think is the culmination of his DNA experiments. I'm imagining that he's been melding traits from different organisms together. The drawings on the wall and the skeletons in his lab show some of the creatures that he has been using and some of the different results along the way.

dk

TrilobiteMember8212 XPMar-15-2017 10:26 PM

I think a mother could be any host to birth from.

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-15-2017 11:57 PM

yes mother is just the human term for an organism giving birth

BigDave

DeaconMember10237 XPMar-16-2017 12:27 AM

@ Ingeniero

Liking the alternative scenarios ;)

I do think it is not in connection to waiting for AI like MUTHER however.

@Movie Fan

I also dont think he means the being/organism that birthed those Eggs but i come back to this ;)

I think this is clearly a reference to Those Evolved Eggs, require a Host to Gestate, so technically Crudup would be the Mother because he would be giving Birth to the Xeno, well he would be needed so the Organism can Pro-create.

I wonder if the name Oram is no Coincidence as its meaning is Serpent/Dragon now this wont fit in with him being a Lucifer of this movie? but maybe it could do as far as Devil goes.. we have to remember Biblical wise Devil is not always refereed to Satan but it means Deceiver and Opposer and so it means someone who wishes to oppose or deceive or obtain by deception.

The whole Prologue Last Super had that Jesus theme to it as far as the Biblical Last Super and so i wonder who would be the would be JUDAS?  If this is Oram (Dragon/Serpent) then this fits with his role being a Devil of sorts...

However that may be reading into it too much, the other interpretation is more worrying.... if Oram (Serpent/Dragon) is in context to Ridley Scott when he has refereed to the Xenomorph, thus means ORAM (Billy Crudup) is the Serpent/Dragon aka Xenomorph... 

Thus he is the one who births the Protomorph which will be the true Progenitor to the ones in the Alien Series, from those Eggs and Oram just happens to be the first Victim of this Evolved creation.

Maybe its Walter then that eventually gives us the Bio-Mechanical Aspects?  Waltermorph anyone lol... who knows.

This is a concern for me... as it seems Ridley Scott or John Logan could be making a mess of this to the depths that would get Fans to beg for Lindeloff back as i have a few concerns about the Franchise now...

Prometheus could have been potentially a Masterpiece, but maybe the Alien Prequels could now make the Star Wars ones look like Masterpieces....

Maybe in time we can accept the change of plans, that will completely re-write the tale of Alien and the Space Jockey...  So for those who was peed off about the Space Jockey being a Giant Bald Humanoid... well maybe now they will be left with it being a Brave Attempt to Rescue the stranded  Colonist in the Alien Covenant Sequel by Walter.... they hitch a ride on a Juggernaught... only for Walter to become the Space Jockey and the Egg Morph the Crew..

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST LOL

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10237 XPMar-16-2017 12:49 AM

Now if i may tackle the other element....

Davids Worship which i will be making a thread about after so i wont be doing to much here ;)

Firstly..... the 4 Eggs we have to remember someone saw the footage and in the Trailer we can only make out a few Eggs, 3-4, 4-5 if you have a keen eye... yet the Room has loads.. like 8 or more.. so its simply a case of this is all the reporter saw from the Scene.... one other report said it was a Handful of Eggs... which means just a few... as the Trailer shows... but the room has more.

Anyway onto what David has been doing...

The Footage Report, informs us that David mentions to Oram that he has been experimenting with the Aliens from Promethues.

Now unless Ridley/Logan have done some piss poor witting this is  not True... and is a Plot Hole.

David only witnessed mainly (depends on the cut of the movie i.e have ignore the alternative not shown original Fifield Scene)  Shaws Infection as far as what was growing inside.

They was aware of the Trillobite, because Vickers mentions it.... so we can assume David has a connection to the ship and can maybe view any CCTV footage, so he may have spied the Trillobite after the C-Section.

So David has no knowledge of the Deacon other than what he could interpret from the Murals and what ever else... but again unless he is aware or can communicate with the Ships CCTV he would not know 100% or seen  Holloway and Fifield but he would have more first hand knowledge of Holloway

So when David mentions to Oram about the Aliens from Prometheus...  he would have to either Uploaded and connected to CCTV footage of the event... or had Shaws accounts of what happened.

But none of them witnessed the Deacon but David could guess the outcome from the Mural and what he managed to find out from the Engineers Writings etc

The only other way would be if the DEACON got onto the Ship but this leads to potential Plot Problem as surely a Deacon would pose a threat to David and Shaw... i mean look what a Engineer did to David (Then again how does David not get killed by his Experiments in Alien Covenant) yes i think some potential Bad Writing again if the Xenos have no interest in him, mind you they have no use for a Synthetic unless it poses a threat to its plans... but if these earlier experiments are more animistic  then that dont bold well for David.

SO....

David has the broadstokes worked out... seems he wants to play God and wonder what the  Black Goo does, and if he was not aware of what becomes of Shaws Baby at first hand.. i am sure he would be curious to what it would have led to.

So David has the Black Goo and he would surely experiment with it and create some hybrids, maybe even try and Re-create his Experiment with Shaw... (does not have to be on Shaw)

Then this leads to his experiments related to the Black Goo that would then bring the Whole Experiments with Aliens from Prometheus... dialog into context

Thus...

For David to evolve something, he needs to see the fruits of his previous labour.... and for that he needs Genetic Hosts, be that for Face Hugger type Experiments or just to Evolve like we saw the Hammerpedes and Fifield.

A Paradise with Dead Engineers and no Life... would  not provide David the means to Experiment

He would only have the Black Goo and Shaw... which could mean ....

1) He could Evolve Shaw into a Hybrid

2) Extract her Eggs and Experiment on them.

3) Re-create the Trillobite...  which happened

a) Mutated Sperm which means David needs a Donner and thus a Humanoid Male to infect.

b) The Goo contained Parasitic Worms that Holloway was just the vessel to get to Shaw (like Sexually Transmitted Disease) which would make Davids job easier.

But then regardless a Trilobite needs a Host..

So there has to be some way David acquired Hosts....

I will cover this in my thread latter ;)

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3048 XPMar-16-2017 1:09 AM

Movie fan:While I concur with a lot of what has already been said,that when David says they are waiting for mother,if I had to interpret it differently,then i'd say Shaw is "mother."I've ran a couple different threads on what I think has happened to her,and the most likely conclusion is that David has done something to her.Dr.Elizabeth Shaw has become Queen Elizabeth Shaw if you will.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPMar-16-2017 1:13 AM

imagine she comes stomping into the lab all mutated alla gary oldman in lost in space

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