In Defense of Dr. Charlie Holloway.

I had no issues with the acting. He did a great job portraying a totally unlikeable a$$hole. I hate the character- not the actor.

obsessed loony :D

Inquisitor Fifield, I know.

Both terms apply.

Talk about obsessed....

I'm sorry Inquisitor Fifield, by all means elaborate.

ninXeno426, this is a safe space for this discussion thank you.

Best post ever.

Apologies Ingeniero.

I concur with Ingeniero.Fifeld,what is your take on the topic?

Don't feed the trolls! They keep coming back.

I had no problem with him, I think he was well cast and did a fine job portraying shallow arrogance. I know a lot of people like Holloway, he did nail it. And he was styled well, mr. natural fiber reckless adventurer sel mythologizing World beat Ethno scientist I'm gonna meet the makers of humankind hipster. No one was supposed to sympathize with him.

He had a couple of great moments in the movie; when he said 'it's Christmas and I want to open my presents' gave me a chill, like wow, a trillion miles from nowhere and they're at the mercy of this a**hole. Then, his exchange with David while they're suiting up, much more tension, a great scene with David's 'not too close I hope' line. My only complaint is he didn't die horribly enough.

The removing the helmet thing is up for debate. The fancy AI said it was ok to do so (his commercial does state he can do things others would find to be unethical. Come on, all these jokers were lab rats, right?) so why not? It was meant to cause tension, not outrage the protocol purists lol. IT'S NOT HARD SCIENCE. But I digress. That was exactly the sort of thing he would do.

Great post Ingeniero! 

David: 'go ahead Dr. Holloway, take off your helmet'. Let's see what happens. It's important to remember that the whole mission was at the behest of an ancient, hyper-rich nutjob to whom even Kings and Queens probably wouldn't say 'No'.

I'll give him this, he was OK in "The Invitation"...almost unrecognizable. In everything else, he has not been.

@Neomorph I am still laughing at your photographic display of LMDCGSG's extreme acting range.

"The removing the helmet thing is up for debate. The fancy AI said it was ok to do so"

Indeed but also Ford had said the Atmosphere was cleaner than Earths, i think had they added a few more pieces of dialog and a piece of equipment they could have made it sound more realistic but then Holloway was a risk taker.

i think those who ripped this Scene apart will have a field day with the potential flaws that AC looks likely to drop on us.

Accepted ninXeno426.

Yes, BigDave. I believe there is a scientific reason why Dr. Holloway took off his helmet. David 8 was reluctant (appearance of) to agree with Dr. Holloway and admit the air was clean from particulate.

The reason they knew was from the feedback of the Spectagraph (airborne particulate readings down to 500 nanometers) to their helmet display and the pyramid scan in the Prometheus cockpit.

Nothing in the pyramid had been activated at the moment this below scan was taken.

I believe this is the reason that the Covenant crew is shown walking off the drop ship with just caps on. Local scanning most likely gave a thumbs up on air quality. Once you disturb this dormant environment (like stepping on spore pods or when the murals change) it can become challenging to the hipster explorer.

I believe Dr. Holloway took off his helmet because he had already been correct on so many things to that point and everything he predicted would most surely turn out exactly as he planned (arrogance).

Indeed and this is one of the BIGGEST Problems with Prometheus.

It was flawed, made no sense to many....

Yet the Drafts had explanation for all the parts (well a lot of) that people had problems with, sadly these was written out of the Shooting Script.

The other thing was the Weyland Viral Site held many many clues and answers just as you pointed out.... (has some flaws too like the Discover Worlds part).

But they cant expect every fan to invest into having to study the Viral Websites to try and make sense of a movie..  and the more you study the other movies then things make a bit more sense.

And if you read both Drafts and Star Beast you can paint a picture and if you look into the Greek, and Biblical connections loosely then we can paint a bigger picture.

But all of these are to much to expect the common viewer to take up and invest time in and so all they had was the "What you see is what you get" take from Prometheus.

Prometheus is a movie that the more you watch it and study it the more it grows on you and the more it gives answers.

What was shown in Prometheus, to me, was a snapshot of the story "in the midst of things" opposed to the birth of all the concepts explained. I too believe that Alien: Covenant will bring a candle into the room in regards to the things that were missing in Prometheus. 

Now that it is clear Lvbank, Ati, and I are the three strong members of the Dr. Charlie Holloway fan club and we are quickly gaining on the four members of the Alien 3 fan club. Thank you dk. 

@Ingeniero well put about Prometheus showing how things are  "in the midst of things" and how we expect A:C to "bring the candle in". Outstanding!

Oh wow, Starlogger. Thank you (genuine) for the kinds words.

'Those who ripped this Scene apart will have a field day with the potential flaws that AC looks likely to drop on us'

Lol so true. Because up to Prometheus, the science and protocol in Alien films were solid!

Of course Aorta, like FTL travel through any atmosphere. We have a lot to learn to reconcile that.

Ingeniero: 'This is for Ati. It's all mouth and scarf.'

Thank you so much, Ingeniero, your present brought the lightest moment of my day. His kerchief scarf is awesome, believe it or not, I have a similar one, it is very popular here in Europe. :D Would you like to see it?

But I should admit, the lips-scarf combo would be nothing without his perfect stubble.

Yes, Ati, I admit his stubble is to die for. I thought you would like the image.

I took a photo of my kerchief, but where is the cable? A moment, please...

Ah, yes, it's here, so... Nearly the same pattern. The beauty itself in the image:

Ati, you have created a beautiful scarf bonanza.

Thanks, my Charlie style winter pilot cap can be involved as well, if you want...

Ati, now we're talking...

What annoyed me the most was probably that he acted like a douche bag towards David with comments like “I almost forgot you’re not a real boy”. His stupid thing of taking of his helmet was just like “what the F are you idiots doing?” (so he wasn’t the only one that did that but just makes it worse, five idiots is worse than one).

The way he was portrayed didn’t make me feel sorry for him at all when he died it was rather like “well good so we don’t need to see that asshole again”. The list of not interesting or stupid characters gets less as time goes on, at least they felt sympathetic and/or real in Alien.

So he became toast, did someone eat him up like a monster barbecue? Imagine Zombie Fifield siting there with a fork and a knife eating some of a fried Holloway I just wonder what he would have been drinking though. OK so my sense of humor is strange, I admit it.

Maybe the good thing about him is that he was curious but that’s it. I bet that they could have made him a better character which goes for most of them so I don’t want to act like he was the only problem because unfortunately he wasn’t. They should have re-written most of the characters except for David and maybe the captain (Janek).

Perhaps he has done better roles so it is not about the actor but rather the character Holloway.

What are the mouth comments about? I don’t get it

I think that this part has been brought up before but anyways, it is about the viral sites that give answers to Prometheus. When I watch a movie I expect it have most of the answers itself even though they can be ambiguous. The problem with Prometheus is that you are expected to have read web pages to understand more if it, that is never something that I would do since I am lazy so the movie should answer these things for us.

As far as explanations, at least one thing that they cut out was when one of the dumb scientists found a small alien worm so therefore he didn’t get scared when they found the alien snake which he died from. This part should have stayed because without it he just looks like a dumbass. Milburn was the name as far as I know.

Hopefully AC will answer some of the things that were in Prometheus but how many remain to be seen.