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Unguns in David's workshop

Unguns in David's workshop

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Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-07-2017 1:45 PM

I have been notified that others are betting the farm that David 8's workshop is gun-free. 

Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, Page 4, and (i can't believe it) Page 5.

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Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-07-2017 2:45 PM

ninXeno426, I keep looking at the team at night and the rifles look different, as well as, the attire.

The person in David's workshop also looks like they are wearing an outbreak type hood with a clear face shield opposed to open-faced caps.

Different team with different weapons?

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-07-2017 2:49 PM

Save it victimized Inquisitor Fifield. I read this first from you yesterday. I didn't call for public shaming.

"Where do you think you are seeing this rifle in that picture?

There are high res version of this screencap possible you know.

i can guarantee you its neither in that picture nor in the movie even if we would like to have it..

 

Engineer like male on the dissection table = Shaw

Massive and tall male blurred figure stumbling up the stairs = Mutated Shaw

Some pixels = weyland storm rifle

 

makebeliefe and desired own fantasy really seem to

alter the perception of many posters in here.."

Inquisitor Fifield

FacehuggerMember249 XPMar-07-2017 2:51 PM

yup and that still counts.

maybe you should stop making things up and declaring them a fact, if you cant handle others disproving them.

 

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-07-2017 2:52 PM

Thank you SteveRogers1973. I can start with a confirmed two flashlights.

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPMar-07-2017 2:52 PM

It's my point of view Fifeld,I believe there are guns in that picture.Please respect my opinion as well as others.We don't all have to agree on the same thing 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

BigDave

DeaconMember10324 XPMar-07-2017 2:53 PM

Its hard to make out... i  would say the object on the floor is a Gun for certain, and on the Table its hard to tell.

I would assume that Uli Latukefu Character has come to the aid of a fallen comrade who may have dropped or had his gun knocked out of his hands and on the floor and  Latukefu then places his on the Table while he goes to help this person up

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPMar-07-2017 2:57 PM

Ingeneiro,I had and theory a while back that there is possibly a separate team from The Covenant that may have arrived before them.The picture you have there is labeled Weyland Yutani security team.Some believed that maybe they are part of the Covenant,perhaps already in stasis,others believed that makes they are on a separate mission with a different agenda 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-07-2017 3:04 PM

Thank you for pointing out that label on the security team ninXeno426. There is something to take from the sequence of those photos; A team at night, next day a group waking up (assumed), then a lot of blood.

I still can't tease out the meaning of the sequence.

Inquisitor Fifield

FacehuggerMember249 XPMar-07-2017 3:06 PM

Alright i declare my mistake, 

you were right all along Ingeniero.

How could i have been so blind? Clearly here is Uli Latukefu's Character from the lab scene already carrying the weyland-yutani storm rifle as you have proclaimed. with the co-axial tactical flashlight on it.

And even the outbreak type hood with a clear face shield,too.

Tip of my hat for your expertise.

 

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPMar-07-2017 3:09 PM

I'm going to bump my forum for you.BigDave has a rather detailed analysis and possible sequence on how things might unfold much like you do.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPMar-07-2017 3:10 PM

Now he's calling out BigDave,great 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-07-2017 3:12 PM

Thank you ninXeno426 and BigDave.

Thank you for confirming my analysis Inquisitor Fifield and your humble back-track. I do appreciate your contribution.

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPMar-07-2017 3:15 PM

No problem Ingeneiro 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

BigDave

DeaconMember10324 XPMar-08-2017 5:31 AM

Indeed that photo could be a key clue...

FOX never came out and explained those Codes, and the Logical explanation is a Time Frame of Events set in December 2104

Which if so would show the Night Time Security Event happened early on and we are looking at a movie set over 3 days

This Security Photo is thus from 10:05PM on December 5th 2104

And so the Back Burster Event happens 48 hours and 41 Minutes after

If there was any significance to those images and the codes, then it could imply a previous group did set down on Paradise some 24-36 hours prior to the Shot we see when Daniels, Oram and Walter etc step foot onto the surface.

We also have to ask how come that Lab... in OT... has like a Lamp?  David surely never salvaged it from the Lifeboat?

Surely Engineers dont have this Tech not the same, and surely the more Ancient Culture on Paradise dont have by coinsidence Lamps like we have on Earth?  Maybe they do?

Did David invent and create a Lamp from nothing... by using materials to re-invent it?

Or could it had been salvaged from the Headlights/Lamps we see in this image?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10324 XPMar-08-2017 5:38 AM

There is a lot to this movie we have not seen, that the 4Chan leaks etc can not explain...

We have now seen the Prop Room is actually a part of the movie and we have to ask how much of those Props that was leaked are in the movie...

This shot is in the movie... well this Table as we can see in the Trailer that the OT shot was taken from... so if the other leaked Tables are in the movie (which i wont post because in case Fox request a take down as we have not seen these things in the Trailers).

But they show various Experiments/Designs... that look like Babies as far as a Child/Baby infected by Black Goo etc.

Even if we throw those out and maybe they are not in the Trailer..

The Trailer confirms the Table in the image i posted here in this reply.. and in this we see... Human Baby/Fetus Skulls

Human or Humanoid Babies/Fetus dont grow on trees or out of no where... so we have to ask where have  these come from?

Unless they are meant to be Monkey like Alien Lifeforms... but these Skulls are 100% Human Baby/Fetus Skulls

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Hicks/Hudson

FacehuggerMember152 XPMar-08-2017 6:31 AM

As far as that room scene goes, Uli Latekefu is the man at the bottom the Xeno is poised to leap onto. The item to his right is presumably a gun of some type. As far as the item on the table, the image is too fuzzy to confirm or deny what it is.

The body on the table...eh...probably isn't Shaw. The image of hair on the head is probably just shadows. The skin is pale white indicating an Engineer, though screen shots of Benjamin Rigby's character after infection shows his skin being pale white and almost translucent, so it could be another Covenant member.

As far as the time stamped images, the bloody room is after Rigby's explosion. The cryo pods is BEFORE anything happens on the surface of the planet. The night time raid scene is puzzling. In the redband version of the second trailer, we seethe same nighttime back drop as Daniels is being attacked by the Rigby Neomorph, indicating this is AFTER the crew lands, the spore is released, Rigby is dragged back by Ejogo, the dropship is exploded by Seimetz, etc. 

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 6:43 AM

No, I agree BigDave, humanoid babies don't grow on trees. David 8 may be up to things that may be too tough for both the movie and the trailer...things that may be inferred through drawings and obvious consequences shown (below).

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 6:52 AM

Thank you Hicks/Hudson. The number sequence of the night raid is before the cryo pods. I'm still hung on that...and it's the reason why I believe there was another team that didn't touch down during daylight like the image below.

Yes, the images' assumed sequence is puzzling with the night shot and time/date stamp (thank you BigDave).

Hicks/Hudson

FacehuggerMember152 XPMar-08-2017 7:02 AM

BigDave -  I posted a hypothesis a while ago that the Engineers had been abducting humans from Earth and bringing them there for experimentation. Maybe these skulls are left overs from a time long passed and David is studying them?

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 7:43 AM

To your point Hicks/Hudson, also a question for BigDave...

Was anything teased out of the Project Prometheus Discover New Worlds? (http://www.projectprometheus.com/newworlds/)

This was in the notes section of one of the colonies.

"The colony was named after Captain Susan Morrison, whose deep space exploration vessel was lost in the Gliese system"

The colony furthest out in the list is POL-6362: JACOB-TELLIS and is 3249 light years out.

Weyland Industries could have put many ships in the Acheron LV-426 system. Prometheus Class ships set sail in 2073.

Did a crew, such as the lost crew of Captain Susan Morrison (a real person at NASA) get lost in the system that houses the planet Paradise?

Did David 8 cultivate eggs from the capture of another crew(s)?

Hicks/Hudson

FacehuggerMember152 XPMar-08-2017 7:46 AM

Ingenerio you beat me to it. I was just going to suggest that perhaps we will get a small prologue in the beginning of the film that cuts between scenes of another crew landing on the planet and scenes of Peter Weyland and David 8 talking to each other.

That crew was either sent there by WY or picked up a distress beacon activated by David and/or Shaw.

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 7:49 AM

Thank you Hicks/Hudson. I'm sure David 8's signal wasn't just for the Covenant. He would tell anyone what they wanted to hear if they would just come visit him.

 

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 7:52 AM

Hicks/Hudson, Yutani Corporation may have known where Paradise was and that's where the name "Covenant" comes from in the newly (2099) formed corporation Weyland-Yutani Corporation.

Yutani Corporation could have brought that knowledge to the table (during acquisition) after losing the patent suit with Weyland Industries in regards to the android design. Yutani Corporation could have filled in the blanks in regards to Project Prometheus for Weyland Industries.

Hicks/Hudson

FacehuggerMember152 XPMar-08-2017 8:09 AM

"Hello. If you are hearing this, please come see me. This place is Paradise. Cup of tea mum?" - excerpt from David 8's distress beacon. 

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 8:35 AM

Exactamundo Hicks/Hudson.

David 8 would be able to fool a team of human scientists. IBM's Watson reads thousands of medical articles a day and spits out treatment recommendations. Fast forward that for 70 years and the android could B.S. any human.

SteveRogers1973

FacehuggerMember203 XPMar-08-2017 8:39 AM

The still of the cryo pods could be from anywhere in the movie.  Remember that there is an entire colony of people on the ship.

Hicks/Hudson

FacehuggerMember152 XPMar-08-2017 8:50 AM

@SteveRogers, This is also a true fact.

The cryo pods could be to show the one that's malfunctioned (Franco's?), or to show what the colonists pods look like.

Also, just had a thought, we are all assuming the Covenant is the colony ship. What if the colony ship was sent FIRST, hence the cryo pods/nighttime scene with the soldiers/scientists. Then our Last Supper Crew is sent to investigate. This scenario would back up BigDave's assertion about the child skulls in the workshop photos. I know the trailers and the leaks and the articles are stating that the Last Supper crew is on the colony ship, but what if. Lol. Crazy far out theory that has no actual basis, just thought it would be fun.

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 11:13 AM

Please allow me this moment to apologize. I was disingenuous and I now know it was obvious. I admit, I was a little hurt when mocked with this image below Inquisitor Fifield

I panicked and acted as if this was an agreement in theory but I knew underneath that it was not. A false witness to events providing testimony I knew to be untrue. You were mocking me and I deserved it.

 

This is tough.

 

What I should have done is to have expressed gratitude. Gratitude towards someone who wanted to keep the boundaries of reasonable discussion. We have a responsibility to each other to edify, uplift, and provide an environment where free exchange of what each of us “see” in the released material.

Now, with debate at it’s zenith, I try and pull this.

I have gone back to my notes and looked again at the calculations I performed…and (while wearing my jeweler's lens) there is no way that you can tell that the individual in David 8’s workshop is wearing a face shield.

I was reaching for a conclusion that had no basis, no grounding in fact, and borderline malpractice image analysis.

With no reservation whatsoever, I now admit that there is no face shield in view in the title image.

My gratitude goes to those that had the courage to take on this theory and reel me in from fantasy land.

What you all see clearly on the individual’s face in the image in question is a glare.

Hicks/Hudson

FacehuggerMember152 XPMar-08-2017 11:17 AM

Don't be so hard on yourself, it's all up to interpretation and eye of the beholder. Most of the stuff I post is based off of what I see in a trailer or screenshot, I have no relative fact to back any of it up lol. I'm sorry if I've said anything to offend.

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3381 XPMar-08-2017 11:19 AM

A glare from something shining as bright as the morning sun.

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