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Black spores:Indigenous or created

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-21-2017 2:47 PM

In the Fire and Stone series,we learn that LV-223 has become over run By black goo,causing the moon to go through radical changes in it's climate.It's first discovered during the event of Aliens,roughly 90 years after the events of Prometheus.Of course in Alien Covenant,David and maybe Shaw have been there for an average of 10 years.The spores suggest some kind of black goo contamination much like in Fire and Stone.So what if David isn't the cause of all this?What if,like in Fire and Stone,the engineers used the black goo as a sort of teraformer and the planet eventually destroyed them,not David.What David finds is a planet that has already undergone drastic changes.Perhaps he's not the creator,but is just simply using what is already there.

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 2:18 AM

Daniels i believe will possibly be an engineer(no not that kind lol)a more passive role like Ripley.In Prometheus they don't give you the best angle of the mural,just enough to recognize the Xenomorph/deacon.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 2:20 AM

That's pretty unfortunate CarynDelacroix,i was leaning towards you being new but I take it you're a bit of a vet?

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Ati

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 2:32 AM

 

nin, ali - it's for you, hi res, copy and study:   :)

 

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-22-2017 2:36 AM

cracker ati

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 2:38 AM

Wow.Looks like authentic Giger,thank you Ati.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

Ati

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 2:45 AM

Messing :)

Ati

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 2:52 AM

Some people think there's a human face hidden in it. Or the face of Satan... (Not my op. :)  - just a piece of info...)

 

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 3:05 AM

Never heard that one.Interesting....

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ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-22-2017 3:07 AM

neither had I, did anyone point out where abouts they see it?

CarynDelacroix

MemberFacehuggerFeb-22-2017 4:06 AM

Haha yeah, I'm a little bit of a vet ninXeno426. I've been trying to keep up with all the new info and theories when I can.  

There was an influx of new users after the trailer dropped, so I'm trying to see if maybe BigDave or someone else has already touched on why hermaphroditic species (such as plants, worms) must engage in a bizarre form of double-mating.  They need to interbreed so that they're not just producing clones of the "parent plant."

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-22-2017 4:10 AM

clones, as they would be, bring there own issues as disease and deformaties r passed on which can decimate a species

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 4:16 AM

I think he has a little.Check my black goo/acid blood thread.Your about the trailer,it's what convinced me to join.Been here since December 26

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Ati

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 4:18 AM

CarynDelacroix

MemberFacehuggerFeb-22-2017 4:28 AM

"clones, as they would be, bring there own issues as disease and deformaties r passed on which can decimate a species"

That's exactly right.  It weakens the species as a whole if it becomes a monoculture; therefore, a little variety is necessary.

It's a better survival strategy to plant various types of plants.

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 4:33 AM

Did BD say that on my thread?

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 4:40 AM

Thank you for the pictures and links Ati.

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CarynDelacroix

MemberFacehuggerFeb-22-2017 4:46 AM

It might have been S.M. that said something to that effect.

The point is that whoever said it is right when you look at something like the potato famine in Ireland (caused by lack of biodiversity).  The birds and the bees are important to the whole process of cross-pollination used by plants, as "the birds and bees" play at least a small role in most lifecycles.

There are many species who migrate between ecosystems like birds and bees, carrying spores/eggs to new places.  Even though we tend to think of ecosystems and energy systems as being separate, everything is connected within biospheres in one way or another.  The areas where ecosystems overlap are called ecotones and are often high in biodiversity.  Convergent evolution ensures that there will be similar life forms to at least some of the ones found on Earth.  It won't be weird if David is studying a bird skeleton in his lab.  The Company has a thing for birds.  It's said Prometheus begged Zeus' bird to, "Please, just kill me," while chained to the rock, but his punishment for stealing the Fire from the Gods was eternal Death & rebirth.

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-22-2017 4:51 AM

that's just messed up. could u imagine dying then waking up for it to happen all over again?

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 4:53 AM

I proposed the idea of other life forms like animals on paradise and some one(can't remember who)shot it down.Thank you for bringing wildlife back into the equation.

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ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 4:53 AM

Another double post

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ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-22-2017 5:01 AM

not sure what will be on the planet but something is living there before david arrives. wildlife would be a conceptual artists wet dream

CarynDelacroix

MemberFacehuggerFeb-22-2017 5:13 AM

It would actually be pretty cool to see what happens when it's hybridized with a bird lol.  We've already seen how the black goo can help accelerate the evolutionary process, plus how the creature's DNA can hybridize with the host.  The W-Y report explains how the mutagen alters/rewrites the DNA, allowing the Company to extract DNA from the Ripley clones in Resurrection... it started bonding with her DNA.  

What if the creature itself brought Ripley back to life only to try to kill her again & ex-company scientists only gave it a push?   Perhaps its ability to regenerate/replace cells at a rapid rate can border on immortality, and securing the creature's DNA itself is what the company has been after this whole time.

Fishtoes

MemberOvomorphFeb-22-2017 5:44 AM

Yes please @ninXeno426 i would really appreciate that.

"I read them online fishtoes.If you'd like the site and proper reading order i'm more than happy the help"

Fishtoes

MemberOvomorphFeb-22-2017 5:48 AM

@Ati those are some great hi-Res shots of the Deacon mural... Great stuff can see all the detail

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 5:55 AM

Alright:1.Prometheus,2.Aliens,3.AVP,4.Predator,5.Prometheus-Omega.That should be the correct order.Most of them I'm reading on www.readcomicbooksonline.com.I found AVP Fire and Stone on www.comicextra.com.For some reason the first site didn't have it.If you have any difficulties finding all of them,let me know,I'll continue to help.

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BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-22-2017 8:32 AM

Who knows... i would like to add more detail to some of the debates here after.

But for now i will try and assume that some of the things we see would have to be the result of David in some way and some of the things already there.

Ridley Scott said that there is a Evolving Creature/Organism on Paradise and that THEY created it (Engineers).  This could however mean either the Engineers created something thats now evolving on Paradise, or the They Created it could refer to the Black Goo which would then mean something has evolved from it, be it in the past... prior to David's arrival or post David's arrival.

Again its a vague and ambiguous comment by Ridley Scott, so we cant 100% know exactly what was meant....  the comment was in reference to him saying  They are off to the Planet of the Engineers but another group of explorers are incoming.

As far as i can remember?

So its open to debate if this Evolving Creature has been there prior to David or just prior to the Covenant.

I would assume they are not going to show us that David has arrived on Paradise and been there for nearly 10 years where there are no Engineers left.  And the World has evolving Eggs and Spores and so David basically just stays on Paradise for 10 years with no involvement at all.

I would find that unlikely.

But who knows how they are going to explain the Spores and Eggs and when/how/who created them and why.  I cant see them not giving us clues or showing us at least how one of these came to be.

The Source i had did say as far as Prometheus 2 was concerned and again i cant guarantee they are CORRECT but interesting points they made for the supposed idea/plot prior to Logans Re-write was.

*The Movie will have TWO Xeno related Organisms, both different to each other yet they would both be related to the Xeno.

*One of these would be kind of Transparent in color, the other Darker.

*One of these David plays a key role in its creation.

*In Order to Re-create it (Xeno or similar) all you need is the Knowledge and Tools and David has both.

*David is curious and wants to play God himself, and be his own creator.

And despite changes to the Plot since the so called Paglen/Green Draft of October 2014 it seems indeed Covenant touches upon the above.

*TWO Monsters , one kind of pale/semi transparent (not as much as Source explained) another looks like the Xeno but a bit different (Source claimed other was to be the Ultramorph)  so its changed but similar.

*One event David plays his hands in, so other maybe something already there....  and again we have those Eggs and Spores, and indeed potentially we could be shown one of these indeed pre-existed  the other then maybe David had evolved/created or otherwise played a part in.

*To Re-create all he needs is knowledge and tools and he has both?  We see those Eggs in the Cave, and if he created them then it conflicts how we thought about Alien and the Derelict.... but then not if David RE-CREATES something similar.  And those Eggs are slightly different.

So maybe indeed the Sources Comments from February 2015 can hold weight as far as potentially how these TWO Monsters came to be. Eggs/Spores.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-22-2017 12:06 PM

Indeed it would be interesting if Chris could get a interview with Steve Messing

He provided a lot for Prometheus and i am sure a number of his works had been referenced for AC?

I would love to see if he could answer some questions with regards to the Mural as i think he was the one who did the concept and so when he was working on this he should surely know which parts are clues and which are Easter Eggs and which are just ambiguous patterns that mean nothing but are there to mislead.

I the the Problem with the Mural and its Beauty too is how vague a lot of it is and so each person can interpret something different like looking at a formation of clouds.

Its do we study it like HR Giger Mural which seems to be more simplistic?  I did a post on that Mural and combined with HR Gigers concept it seemed pretty straight forwards.

And so when we are looking at the Promeheus Mural its hard to work out where we start?

*Top to Bottom? Like Gigers Alien Mural?

*Bottom to Top?

*Or from the Center (Deacon) and outwards.

As depending where you start, you can be led to a different set of clues.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-22-2017 12:17 PM

As far as the hermaphrodites indeed i covered a number of things and the main one is regarding the Hammerpedes.

If those Worms on LV-223 are not too different to Earth Worms, then we can see where potentially the Re-growth of a Head Comes from.  But if we are being true in reality its not quite that case.

But for the sakes of how most people see things, yes we can assume Worms can Regenerate... which if those on LV-223 are similar, then the Black Goo could explain the Rapid Process of this as it seems it keeps a Organisms most favored traits and evolves them.

So if we are looking at Worms in that context then most Worms are Hermaphrodites  and have Male/Female Sexual Reproductive Organs but they cant reproduce themselves, they need another Worm to Fertilize the Eggs.

So we need 2X Worms and then we get 2X Fertilized Worms which are Egg Layers.

The Hammerpedes thus may procreate the same... and we indeed see TWO together.

I think we can safely assume these are Egg Layers. They are the most likely candidate.

If we are looking at Cloning and Regeneration then TWO main Families of Organisms who mainly can do both are Echinoderms and Cnidaria  which are very like some things we could interpret in the Franchise... 

Dane Hallett said that Ridley Scott got the creature department to reference the 2004 Short Movie The Eel over and over.

We can see from this connections to both certain Echinoderms and Cnidaria and i was informed that Echinoderms are something referenced as far as the Parasitic Origins.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-22-2017 1:57 PM

Nice Hi Res image of the Mural Ati

I can see some Arcturian  Poontang on the bottom

LOL but yes you can make out a lot of stuff, the area i am on about also looks like a Butterfly too.

I think one thing to maybe debate is indeed the Head at the top of the Arch that the Mural sits within, and what connection does this have?

I do hope we get some answers also to what the Birdlike Creature in the Fresco could be... it reminds me of Dan O'Bannons design for Star Beast.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ati

MemberPraetorianFeb-22-2017 6:59 PM

You are welcome!

BigDave, your Poontang looks like a Hammerpede, I think. :) Oh, no, what am I writing again! :D :D I'm talking about the bottom of the mural!

'I think one thing to maybe debate is indeed the Head at the top of the Arch that the Mural sits within, and what connection does this have?'

I also believe that this huge 'gate' around the mural shows something important. Aren't huge legs formed by the frame? The top is the head of an unknown creature, no doubt.

 

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