Shaw... Alive?!6,049 Views39 RepliesAdd A Reply
So we all know WTF HAPPENED TO SHAW?!?! Well on a topic that I had posted earley, cuponator3000 had replied that what if Shaw is in the Cryodec room that we barely see in the trailer (see the topic I posted 3 Things You Missed In the Trailer). This could possibly answer the question of how Shaw is missing. The crew would take Shaw back to the Covenant ship where she would be a bit woozy (like E. Ripley from Aliens) from cryostasis. There she'd inform the team that she is the other survivor from the Prometheus crew and that the team is in grave danger... from there all hell will break lose.
IDK guys but what do you think?!
the mistery surrounding shaw is key.
Nice to speculate....
I think it would however offer a bit of a Plot Hole, well it would have fans moan about how stupid the crew and movie is, if this happens.
Because surely Shaw would warn about David, which would make the crew also suspicious of Walter, if only one can be found at some point.
It would also make them cautious and we have to wonder how does a Alien then get on the Ship?
If i did this route that you mention, maybe it could work.. but have it Shaw is carrying a Alien unknown to her ;)
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I think we will see Shaw alive either in a flashback or not able to help out the Covenant crew if alive. I can only guess.
This is what i think could of happened to her:
1.) She died accidentally ie; when the juggernaut landed or crashed or got dispatched by an engineer.
2.) She is in cryo-suspension.
3.) She was exposed accidentally or intentionally by the goo.
4.) She was knocked out by david and experimented on,
maybe facehugged or injected with something david concocted from the goo to further his creations evolution.
5.) Being a david test subject, she could be horribly mutated in one of the juggernauts compartments producing eggs as some horrible version of a xeno queen. this just speculation on my part.
Along with cryo,I've thought the queen angle as well.Aliens Fire and Stone is a good frame of reference on what can happen when exposed to the black goo,a character by the name of Cale took on traits some what similar to the Xenomorph but still retained some human features.
Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for
Gidday ninXeno426, yes it could be any of the theories posted by members here, i suppose the writers would of pulled ideas from different alien franchise resources i am sure, but until the movie comes out its nice to speculate as BigDave said above.
I think shaws fate is being kept tight until the movies release and/or the release of the AC prequel novel that will cover the 10 yrs between prometheus and AC.
@BigDave, i feel shaw won't be in it until half way or close to the movies end, Ridley brought Noomi in close to live action completion, then she is only going to be in the film for a short period, after all hell has broken loose , hey i maybe wrong!
She'll appear in the last scene rescuing Daniels from certain death with a big flamethrower saying "Engineer this!"
My guess is that Shaw is dead and that they find her remains (near the name tag). The corpse has a strange hole in the ribcage. We will se a brief flashback scene and can later read about it in the prequel novel.
shaw may still be in cyro and towards the of AC, the covenant crew revive her?
this is maybe when shaw warns them of david, just after they discover david has a sinister agenda
SM Don't forget she'll be doing it while suffering from another Cesarean and being higher then a heroin addict on full tilt.
On a serious note. She did go down to Australia and film for 6 weeks during production, so she will be in the movie.
I hope that is not the case, hopefully she is dead but if she is alive then I hope that she will die early in the movie. That seems that it could go the route of the fact that she tells them what happened and they won’t listen to it makes the crew look stupid. Hopefully they won’t have it like this, I doubt that they will make the crew more stupid than Shaw (that would be a failure if they did).
She could be in a quick flash back but hopefully it won’t be more than that.
Chli has a good suggestion, I would go that route if I would make the movie.
@Thoughts_Dreams Yah, but I really do want to see a lot more of Shaw against the Neomorphs or zenomorphs or whatever. I feel like the characters from Alien Covenant are going to represent Ripley more than Shaw.... since Shaw was almost like a Ripley but then they had major differences. All I hope is that Shaw is in AC and her fate is described... maybe she saves the Covenant ship? That'd be a cool ending for Shaw.
That is alright if you want to see a lot more of Shaw, I don't.
As far as being more like Ripley I hope that they will make the characters into their own. Ripley is good but there are more ways to make a character other that basing them on an old one.
I see what you mean when you say that Shaw was like Ripley but that they were different. Ripley is a character that I can sympathize with but Shaw is a hopeless case.
You say that you want Shaw's fate to be described, I don't care about that. I would agree if it would be a character that I like but sadly she isn't.
"I doubt that they will make the crew more stupid than Shaw (that would be a failure if they did)."
i think at some points yes she was a bit naive and came across a bit silly, HOWEVER there is a lot of things with AC that could lead to fans complain about how Stupid this movie is too.
I hope its really thought out, a lot depends on the process of how they found Paradise and what they know about it, i can see already the Flaws that some picked apart with Prometheus such as taking off their Helmets being replicated even more so in Alien Covenant.
But alas we need stupid mistakes to drive the Plot.
Otherwise the Covenant would survey the World via Probes, or even Drop Ship before landing, we have to assume they do this and then find a nice Level Area to Land as a lot of it is Forrest and Mountains/Lakes.
It would raise how by Pot Luck they land not far from the Juggernaught without knowing what it is, we can only assume this is the area they detect a signal from.
If all of this happens... then logically if we are to have a Crew that follow safety protocols they would then land and send out a Team in Space Suits.. regardless of the Environment.
They would then find that Ship, and Temples with no signs of Life and then it would be a case of.
* Curiosity and lets have a look.
* Cautiousness this world was inhabited and this dont look right!
Then that would mean back to Ship ASP where they can then Plan what to do next and discus contingency plans.
No soon as they discover things, they would have Quarantine Procedures and take less risks.
But if they all acted like this we would not have No movie, it would be a case of... Lets get out of here but lets inform Weyland-Yutani to survey this world with a more Secure Team and Contingency plans.... Hence Science/Military ship that sends down Synthetics first.
But the Covenant crew will make a few mistakes, its what would give us the movie, but i do hope they do try and make it more believable.
Maybe a Walter could be Key.... because as with Alien... if it was not for ASH the chances are the Alien would not have got on board in the first place.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I understand what you mean about Characters, Ridley has teased the Ripley connection, and it could be just how Daniels Character Evolves. Ripley Started off in more of a more Hard-line Character than Daniels seems and indeed Shaw was.
Ripley was maybe not that different to Vickers, only Ripley cared more for her Crew and Vickers was more selfish but both strong headed and leaders.
I think Ripley had to really grow and change due to the horrific encounter in Alien, and Aliens even more so... so that by Alien 3 she was completely changed and that Hard Ass, Xeno But Whooping Heroine.
I think the Ripley connection is to have Daniels go though a traumatic event so that her Character has to also change like Ripley only the change is more instant for Daniels and serve, i think it Took Ripley TWO movies to get to the Ripley Character as far as Heroine and it was the End of Aliens when she changed Totally to this role.
I think Ridley Scott is going to give us a Daniels who would stand between a Shaw and Ripley Character as far as personality traits, she would not be as Hard-line Leader as Ripely from Alien but more so than Shaw in Prometheus.
But by the course of this One movie Daniels will be forced to change and evolve much like Ripley did in Aliens.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@BigDave "so that by Alien 3 she was completely changed and that Hard Ass, Xeno But Whooping Heroine."
Lmao!! And good points!!!!
As for Shaw.....
It was Character Writing.... She has suffered a Traumatic Event and this could change her Character for the better, as we saw in the Alternative Ending with David where she was not so nice to him.
Shaws Character could have evolved, she is pissed off and wants answers and depending what she finds... like no soon as she finds out there is NO GOD in the traditional sense and those in Command above the Engineers or who created them are not Gods and so it would click that her Religion and Faith has nothing to base on.... and the beings who create are just Evil and Wicked Mother $"%£^&
This would surely then trigger a different change in Shaw and we could have seen her be more Bad-ass than Ripley.
So many ways her Flawed and Broken Character from Prometheus could be changed...
Rappace is a better Actress than Weaver, she is also pretty tough in reality a little pocket rocket... as far as fitness and strength, Miss Weaver just had Height on her side.
Could Rappace had pulled off the Tough ***** Arc?
I would say 100% yes.... given the Character Development, i actually think through her Naive believe and Religion there was a Greater Arc and Trauma to Ripleys, or even what Daniels faces.
Shaw would have to Face Facts with a Horrific Situation and Trauma of these Alien Life Forms... just as Daniels and Ripley had.
But more so... because She would also discovery her FAITH and her Hopes to find our creators is a Broken Lie.... So i think the Recipe for Change is far Greater with her.
Its a Shame we cant see this Arc Evolve...
Granted Shaw had faults.... but there was room to Evolve her and she could certainly Act the Part.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
All good points.
Me, I liked Shaw's character even though I understand why a lot of people didn't like her conflicting convictions. I truly hope ol' Dave hasn't turned her into Alien egg batter, but I fear the worst due to her limited filming for this movie.
If I could have a dream scenario, she would be rescued by Katherine Waterson's character and they go on an neomorph killing, proto-morph slapping rampage...
I once had a dream about Shaw and David on the engineer homeworld that I for some reason remember (unlike other dreams that I easily forgot).I shared it already on this topic HERE but heres what I dreamed.
Many months later on the engineer homeworld,inside the engineer citadel David told Shaw the reason why the engineers wanted to destroy humanity.He also revealed that he was responsible for Holloway's death.Infuriated by the reveal,Shaw wanted to kill him but knowing he is dangerous and stronger than her she tried to run away from him but David knocked her over really fast and dragged her to the room where he was experimenting with the black goo.Inside the room,when Shaw remained conscious David started talking about the xenomorphs,about their biology and how much he is impressed with them (all that while holding an alien egg).
He then let the facehugger subdue her.When Shaw woke up she knew what was going to happen to her because David told her so she got out of the citadel and drove far away from David in ATV to the Juggernaut that she and David arrived in and locked herself inside the hypersleep chamber which prevented her from getting chestbursted,but not before setting a distress beacon.
10 years later she was found by the crew of USCSS Covenant and taken to their ship.They removed the xenomorph embryo from her,but the embryo grew very fast and went on a rampage across the ship.
But since Shaw was not really mentioned anywhere I supoose that Shaw will be in flashbacks.
@ Dark Nebula
I think I read a fake script close to this storyline...Or maybe it was a post here on AC. Either way, that would be awesome and it would make me happy. Getting the missus to get me a case of T-Bird to celebrate the possibilities....
@Fire_Stream21 Thank you very much.
@suwhited Actually the thing that inspired my dream was some part in Jon Spaihts Alien: engineers script.
In it,Shaw discovers inside the pyramid the cause of Holloway's death (he was impregnated by some early version of facehugger).While walking aimlessly she finds David who tells her that the Engineers were planing to wipe out humanity using genetically engineered xenomorphs,and that he will resume the mission.Shaw tried to run away but David knocked her over.When she remained conscious David started talking about the xenos bla bla bla and he then let the facehugger subdue her.When Shaw woke up she returned back to the ship and jumped in the med pod to remove the xeno embryo,but it was too late and she got chestbursted.The medpod's systems repaired the damage and brought Shaw back to life.
@Dark Nebula, they should just pay you to make the movie lol
@suwhited, lol wouldn't it make a grouse omelette.
either grouse omelette or the alien omelette special. Both come with grits, toast, and a large slab of terror.
David is mixing up something wonderful....
I can't shake the feeling that David fell for Shaw in his own way. If she died, I don't think it was at his hand.
If she's alive, she may be incapacitated until David can find a way to help her. That might even be why he sent the message.
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!