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Chris

EngineerAdmin21271 XPFeb-17-2017 5:50 PM

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Weyland-Yutani Classified Research Division is seeking your feedback and theories concerning what lies in the other Engineer Pyramids on LV-223.

Specifically, what do you think the other ampule rooms contain? Do they have different murals? Do they as well contain "tombs"? If so what do they hold? 

We are looking for short, concise, but also well explained theories.

Post your BEST and most thought out theory below.

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30 Responses to [Classified Project]

Centauri

PraetorianMember2267 XPFeb-17-2017 6:12 PM

I wonder if they'll be different head statues in them..it be great to see some different murals for sure. 

 

 

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BULL ALIEN

OvomorphMember86 XPFeb-17-2017 7:37 PM

I believe the other pyramids housed eggs and other experiments. I also believe the the art on the walls shows what it can do as far as what room contains which experiments.

Case in point the black Goo was a reagent that could transform all life into hostel organisms. Just like that thing the Engineer is hold up in the artwork in the chamber.

Starlogger

ChestbursterMember907 XPFeb-18-2017 7:00 AM

Most importantly, I want to know what the Green crystaled "tomb" underneath the giant Xenomorph carving/mural represents/is. Is that the key to EACH installation? Would be fantastic if they all were something completely different.

suwhited

FacehuggerMember355 XPFeb-18-2017 8:13 AM

My theory is along the lines of BULL ALIEN's above. I believe that the work that the Engineers were doing on LV 223 was all about experiments geared towards developing "perfection" whether it be in a Bio-weapon, Bio-enhancement, or otherwise. Case in point, the Engineers themselves looked like they had gene therapy done to bring their bodies to the point of being "superior beings"

I believe those other pyramids hold experiments in different forms and attempts at that achieving perfection. The Black goo agent may hold the key (The greenish substance may also play a role). The Engineers may have the ability to manage its characteristics based of a host of unknown (to us) variables. They manipulate these variables to work each of their experiments to a "perfection" stage. As stated before by several others, the murals tell the story of each experiment.

Chris

EngineerAdmin21271 XPFeb-18-2017 8:59 AM

I really like that theory! Definitely the green crystal is a massively overlooked detail. The tomb must contain something, an Alien being from which they harvest its genetic material to create these enhancements.

Facehuggers

NeomorphMember1984 XPFeb-18-2017 12:41 PM

I theorize that all Engineer pyramids upon LV-223's surface are actually ships.

They contain tombs, ampules and murals in the hopes that if the Engineer race is completely wiped out, their history can still be preserved within massive launchable structures. 

[The Juggernaut class of ships are only flown in warfare]

Chris

EngineerAdmin21271 XPFeb-18-2017 2:48 PM

I theorize that each pyramid on LV-223 is actually a separate stage of their "assembly line" where by they extract the DNA of the Alien to be used as enhancement and weapons. I theorize that the pyramid the Prometheus explored was actually the final stop for their work and where most of the sensitive tampering took place. The Pyramids behind it each were used for different parts of the extraction process. 

Example Pyramid 1 could contain live specimens of the Alien, while pyramid 2 could be a testing facility to separate the weak from the strong. Pyramid 3 could be used to adapt and test on these Aliens for the next stage which would be killing them and extracting their dna. From there the DNA is manufactured into the substance we know as Black Goo and from there its sent to the final pyramid for analysis and storage.

airshaft_surprise

FacehuggerMember293 XPFeb-18-2017 5:55 PM

Maybe the head room is point of origin of the goo.

high priest blesses the ampules before they are dispatched?

the huge head sculpture and mural behind the head suggests maybe that the chamber is like a chapel of some sort?

the ghostly engineers were being chased by what was probably a ultramorph as you can hear its scream in the audio.

I think the pile of engineer bodies were used as test subjects or were exposed while researching and creating, maybe the green crystal could reverse the contagion, thats why they high tailed it back to the head room? its only speculation.

 

airshaft_surprise

FacehuggerMember293 XPFeb-18-2017 6:00 PM

All those piled up bodies are the engineers from the other pyramids?

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-18-2017 8:10 PM

I look at these pyramids as different units of a small settlement or city. If you work on a seriuos project, you need different facilities with different functions:

A pyramid for food producing, storing, transport, etc.

A pyramid for a hospital, laboratories, drug store, etc.

A pyramid for the HQ, communication, space travel control, etc.

A pyramid for the experiments and scientists, etc...

 

Centauri

PraetorianMember2267 XPFeb-19-2017 11:09 AM

so many questions. Wonder if more engineer bodies could be piled up in the other pyramids. Also the first pyramid has them all on that wall...if they were cornered,  were they trying to climb over wall or enter?..could that wall be a room to multiple cargo ships, and thats why so many were dressed in elephant engi masks?  idk..

 

 

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//www.alien-covenant.com/series/

            

Neomorph

ChestbursterMember731 XPFeb-19-2017 12:05 PM

My theory is that each pyramid is a test site that hold shards and chunks in various sizes of the green mineral that may have originated from a meteor that hit the surface of LV-223, or was extracted from natural formations in caves. 

When brought to the temples, the minerals are extensively experimented with, which eventually results in a black substance not even the Engineers can control and fully understand, thus they are sealed away deep within each temple.

The intention of the experiments is to create biological weapons and even engineer creatures such as the ones proudly being presented on the murals. The Engineers on LV-223 believe that they are gods now.

Ironically one test go awry and the black goo is unleashed on the Engineers and they are killed by one or several unintentional bioengineered monsters chasing and killing them. Few Engineers were suspended in cryosleep throughout the whole time and did not witness the chaos that unfolded within their temples. Had they been aware, they'd probably escape the planet.

Maybe the Engineers on LV-223 were renegades that were warned by their elders on their home planet about the green crystals being an evil energy that should be left untouched.

Anyway this is all just my theories.

chli

ChestbursterMember935 XPFeb-19-2017 12:14 PM

In Spaihts’ original script I believe it was meant to be 24 facilities/pyramids on LV-223 (although it was LV-426 in the script). In the end of Prometheus we can see Shaw driving to the nearest facility. There is a straight road connecting them. There they find the other juggernaut and sets off to find the home world of the engineers. Presumably, all the facilities on the moon encountered the same fate as the one explored by the crew of Prometheus? Were they also full of dead engineers? Perhaps some of them contained facehuggers (like in Spaihts’ script)? Perhaps they used humans (abducted from earth like the UFO-case - Betty and Barney Hill) to experiment on? Did the outbreak spread from one facility to the next until the engineers on all the facilities were dead? Wouldn’t they have time to get away - to leave the moon? Perhaps one did and crash landed on LV-426 . . .

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-19-2017 3:10 PM

"We are looking for short, concise, but also well explained theories."

Counts me out then lol

I would think in a Nut Shell, the other Temples housed other Experiments...  i would assume this place LV-223 was a like Laboratory they experimented with Life they was evolving before they seeded it back to Worlds.

The Engineers are Galactic Genetic Gardeners and Earth was just a Garden or Patch....   so as a Gardener would grow different Crop/Harvest or Fruit and then maybe want to experiment with certain kinds to upgrade them.

They would maybe take samples and experiment on them, and when they have created the desired results, they then re-seed them back to the Garden.

So LV-223 is basically a Greenhouse/Nursery as they wont want to experiment in the Garden in case the results are wrong and effect the other Fruit/Crops..

THIS.... is why the Outpost supported Human Life, when Engineers clearly could survive on the outside surface.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-19-2017 3:15 PM

So based on the above.....

Maybe Each Temple was for experimenting and evolving different Organisms?  On Earth?  Or maybe each one is designated to a different World the Engineers had seeded life on.

Ridley Scott had proposed that the Engineers seed life across the Galaxy and so Earth does not have to be the only place with such life.

Fire and Stone Comics touched upon this where the Predator Comics started with the Predator Hunting a Humanoid type being that had 4 Arms much like the Mortal Kombat Games Goro who was a Race called Shokan

The Predator came across a Cave Star Map very similar to the Earth one, only the beings worshiping the Giants had 4 Arms and not TWO.

They had to collaborate with Fox and Ridley with Fire and Stone and so its safe to assume while this 4 Armed Race may not be Canon, i think its Safe to Assume the Engineers may have left Star Maps to many other Worlds they had been involved with.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-19-2017 3:19 PM

But maybe something changed.....

We know it did with Earth and maybe they then used that Outpost to create something else to replace us with, they found a Creation whos DNA was more favored than the Engineers own and maybe chose to Seed this on Earth to replace us?

THESE THEORIES... have a Hole!

It would make it even more Blind Pot Luck that the Prometheus arrived at that Cave system? or maybe its not a Hole?

The other thing we can look at was that Spaights draft there was supposed to be 8 different kinds of XENO related Organisms they had created. 

Ridley then commented after that the Derelict had 8 different Cargo Holds each with a different variant.

This would be the most simple explanation for the different Temple Mounds.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-19-2017 3:24 PM

@Chris and Neomorph

I like those theories ;)

@BULL ALIEN and suwhited

Certainly plausible and i think indeed what Chris was on about to, seems some nice theories on the same page

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

airshaft_surprise

FacehuggerMember293 XPFeb-19-2017 5:17 PM

I think the green crystal harnesses some form of life giving energy, the goo may be inert until it is activated by the green crystal.

the orrey controls have a green stream of energy that the engineer directs by waving his hand over and there is green glowing specks in the goo mucous that david sniffs and stretches between his fingers.

As commented above each pyramid would have a head room with green crystal and mural.

Each side of the crucified xeno, there is what looks like a facehugged engineer so i think each pyramid crew would be working on different projects but to achieve the same result.

airshaft_surprise

FacehuggerMember293 XPFeb-19-2017 5:47 PM

@BigDave, i was pondering that also last night, that each juggernaut crew is assigned overseer of a world that they create.

The Starmap in the orrey makes it look that way.

and maybe when a planets civilisation goes off the rails their superiors(high priests and royalty of their species as portrayed in the opening sequence the cut part) sends them out with all the materials necessary to cleanse that planet but in a gruesome way, just my speculation.

 

chli

ChestbursterMember935 XPFeb-20-2017 12:04 AM

Perhaps we shouldn’t make too much of the green crystal since it was originally a sacrificial cup (for the mutagen probably)? I think maybe they should have stuck with that idea since it fits better with the sacrificial engineer in the beginning of the movie, with all the ampules with black goo in the room, the mural showing The Beast and sacrificed humanoids. The ones sacrificed could have been humans abducted from Earth throughout millennia (which would fit in nicely with the mythos of UFOs and abductions to Zeta Reticuli)?

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-20-2017 12:43 AM

chli, yes in the original script it was a cup but that was changed. its what made the final edit that counts tbh. I think it is pretty significant, either as a power source or even it is a fossilised substance with the original genetic material that started the whole thing inside, much like in the original Jurassic park with the preserved mosquito

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-20-2017 8:51 AM

BigDave, lol, and that is your short nutshell version, lol, using four comment sections, :D

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-20-2017 9:05 AM

Indeed Chli

There was the Sacrificial Cup, with the Sacrificial Pose of the Mural and the Altar which led me to my main theory about the connections.

I wonder why they changed the Cup?

Maybe because they wish to try and show us the Sacrificial Goo and Black Goo are the same?  who knows.

The Source i had in Febuary 2015 which we have to take with a Pinch of Salt...

Claimed and hinted that the Green Cystal is a Stolen Shard from some Obelisk on Paradise a Obelisk that was not quite Rock or Metal and in Part looked Grown and had roots like a Tree.

It was to be the Literal Franchises both Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge... i.e Forbidden Trees from the Garden of Eden whos Fruit led to the Fall of Man.  And reflects also Prometheus Fire

This Obelisk was black and had a Green Glow so they claimed, and it was the Source of their Power as far as to Create Life.   A great creation Tool but Forbidden one as far as how it was used.

So it seemed to hint that the Sacrificial Goo was obtained from this Obelisk/Tree  and so the Green Cystal was a Shard Stolen from it.

But i cant say if this holds any truth, as Alien Covenant is supposed to be rewritten quite a bit since these so called concept ideas.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-20-2017 9:07 AM

@ATI

Yep very short in a nutshell version lol

If i was to had tackled a Plan for Prometheus 2 and 3 i bet it would have been as long as the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movie franchises combined LOL

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

chli

ChestbursterMember935 XPFeb-20-2017 10:50 AM

BD: Since they changed it I suppose it must have some importance (like what you describe)? Maybe we will see this obelisk if we get to the home world of the engineers (that is perhaps not where David and Shaw landed, of course. We might get there in a later sequel?)?

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-20-2017 3:30 PM

Hopefully Chli indeed

I hope they are not going to brush everything from Prometheus apart from David, the Urns, the Juggernaught and Xeno under the carpet.

The Source did suggest Paradise is not the Homeworld of the Engineers, well not as far as the Gods well Godlike Hierarchy is concerned.

The beings above the Engineers and even Engineers to a degree are Inter-Galactic and its not stuck to just a Plot that revolved around Zeta 2 Reticuli and that Paradise is just the base of operations within our Galaxy if you would.

This figures as the Orrey Star Map did show other Galaxies around the Center Bubble David was in that contained Earth and other Worlds.

The Source seemed to hint also the inhabitants of Paradise are more like previous Generations of Mankind, which all may sound a bit strange to some.

But since we have more clues with AC, maybe its the case as the Covenant Badge has the Cherubim from the Ark of the Covenant on it, and its as if they are Guarding a World rather than the Ark... and its Key to point out that Cherubim in context to Paradise as far as Bible and Paradise Lost Poem are a High Ranking sect of Angels who are tasked with Guarding/Watching over the Garden of Eden/Paradise.

Now Paradise in context to the Franchise is a separate World, but still having Watchers/Guardian Cherubim could still be at play within context.... as these are a type of Angel and Ridley had referred to Engineers as Fallen Angels could they be a rogue set of Cherubim who had done things against the will of their creators?  Could they had been Banished from Paradise?

When we look at Paradise, those Engineers or so we assume, do not have any Technological Advancement...  they appear to be dressed and also have constructions that are no more Advanced than on Earth Thousands of Years ago.

Surely a Space Faring Race who create and seed Worlds and have those Pebble Ships would have more Advanced Culture on Paradise?

Not if Paradise was a earlier Earth, and some other Race came to Paradise to collect Sacrifices, and either some of the Sacrificial beings Rebelled and got thrown out of Paradise or some of those Cherubim had done something wrong and got kicked out and began to sub-create on Earth?

The Pebble Ship belonged to the Elders in Prometheus, but we have to remember that Scene was Cut, Ridley stated he did not want to meed the Gods in the first movie which means our Sacrificial Engineer and LV-223 Engineers are no longer at the Top of the Chain of Hierarchy

Ridley could re-design the Elders or even replace them completely and so as far as CANON all the Sacrificial Scene showed was some Engineer related being alone on a Primordial World that does not have to be Earth..   in the distance the Ship departs..

We have no way of knowing (if we ignore Elders Scene)  that this ship even belonged to his Race...  he could merely be a Sacrifice who is taken to that World to Perform his duty.

So maybe Paradise is a Place these Sacrificial beings are kept and raised and taught knowledge and technology but kept at a level like Ancient Mankind was...  who ever is above them comes down to Paradise to collect a Sacrifice now and again.

So the Temple in Alien Covenant is a Flat Topped Ziggurat and thus a Landing Platform if we follow the Chariots of the Gods route.

Maybe or maybe not?

But when i looked at the Temple Scene, those Props are Human sized, if they was intended to be interacted with Humans why would they not build them as Larger beings?

The Shot of Daniels and the Mystery Male in front of the same Temple with no Dead Bodies.. seems to show the Scale of the Temple is not really much different.

What ever Scale/Prop Temple they used for the Scene of Death/Disaster they simply used for the back drop to that Daniels Photo.

Another error of Scale by Ridley Scott again?  We had it in Alien.. intended 26ft Space Jockey that was actually a 16ft Prop (SJ be 13-15ft).  And Prometheus the 9-10ft (was 12-15ft in the drafts) intended Engineers clearly in some scenes appeared no more than 8ft Tops.

Or are those beings related to the Engineers, but are not Engineers?

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-20-2017 3:35 PM

BigDave, it is hightime for Fox to realize that you are their future. :D

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-20-2017 3:37 PM

Oh sorry if that was off Topic... but i guess discussing the role that lead to Engineers on LV-223 being Fallen if they was, is on Topic?

In relation to the OP Banner, Chris i indeed always felt this was Prometheus Punishment...

It reminded me of this Greek Prometheus Mural

I found a Fanmade 3D Sculpt that reflects the Punishment too.

This one is similar pose to the Greek one below.

Its always my interpretation that such a thing is what the Mural was showing and this Fan Art is amazing it really shows us maybe what happened to that Engineer, and the Result being the Fresco Creature in Prometheus.

That then the Engineers maybe Re-engineered?

That the biggest theory i would like to see explored.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-20-2017 3:42 PM

LOL Ati...

It would take Fox weeks to read one of my drafts lol, God help if they asked that to be done 15 times... i would be typing away for decades lol

I did have a lot of theories and the Source was pretty close to what i was being drove too.... i could not find a single way to explore the Reasons and Connections that this Topic is touching upon... i had like 3-4 alternative ways to connect the Engineers and Why... and it was hard and so i gave up.

But then seeing the Source had kind of been hinting at similar things but in a more guided way, made me think WOW..

I actually do think if i was to take on board my old theories and the Source information and then try and make my own P2 draft off that, i now could actually attempt something that would work ;)

Thanks for the complement anyway ;)

I will have to expand and then complete some of my Projects that are just at broad stroke and extended Synopsis Stage.

I would love to complete my Re-write of Prometheus one day too...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-20-2017 3:47 PM

Speed and typing are not your weak points, it should be admitted. :D :D

I like the phrase 'Mystery Man' very much. :)

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