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The deacon is not a queen but a king?!

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Fire_Stream21

MemberFacehuggerFeb-14-2017 8:00 AM

I think the reason why the Deacon is widely confused if it is a common xenomorph or a protomorph or a queen !?!?!??!... I think its a king cause its a breed or form that's a queen. And that when the deacon gives birth it births with an egg like thing that later turns into a trilobite. It makes sense though, the events that happened in Prometheus were very rare so the deacon would be birthed with a trilobite so that the species will survive. I think that its not a queen but a king, being able to create a queen or a king by impregnating a host.

What do you guys think?  

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Movie fan

MemberFacehuggerFeb-14-2017 8:22 AM

Your right that the deacon was born alone, but wouldn't it just become a Queen then lay eggs? like in the mural.

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 8:30 AM

unless the deacon uses egg morphing perhaps?

QueenElizabethShaw

MemberChestbursterFeb-14-2017 8:54 AM

I've played around with the idea that the Deacon is either a king or that it will produce one, but I don't think it's going to happen. The king was confirmed on release to have been created specifically for merchandising purposes.

If Fox told Ridley he had to bring a merchandising gimmick into the mix I have a feeling he'd walk. It seems more likely he'd want to showcase the "ultramorph"

S.M

MemberXenomorphFeb-14-2017 1:04 PM

Aliens have no king; Aliens need no king.

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 1:09 PM

where I would definitely agree the aliens needs no king as not having one certainly wouldn't take anything away from them, has it been clearly stated that none exist?

S.M

MemberXenomorphFeb-14-2017 1:14 PM

No.  But its not been clearly stated that no Alien telephone sanitisers exist too.

Aliens are quite efficient as they are and kings are redundant.

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 1:17 PM

they r definately efficient but until someone who counts from fox comes out and states there r definitely no kings ill keep an open mind.

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-14-2017 1:24 PM

Why shouldn't there be a king?Personally i don't think there needs to be one but why not if they did.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 1:26 PM

^^^^ my point exactly. an open mind helps when discussing things fiction

S.M

MemberXenomorphFeb-14-2017 1:28 PM

What purpose would they serve?

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 1:32 PM

that's not the point being made. they may be protectors of the queen? they may have a hand in the initial production of the eggs and die off once theyr use has been fulfilled? but until its stated by someone at fox there will always be a way that in say 10-15 years we get another film where a king is very apparent. just because u don't see a function for them doesn't mean there isn't any.

Apex_Predator

MemberFacehuggerFeb-14-2017 1:35 PM

A king has its reign......

Want some candy?

S.M

MemberXenomorphFeb-14-2017 1:39 PM

The Queen has protectors.

Why would they die off after a production run of eggs?

Eggs house huggers.

Huggers produce chestbursters.

Adults create and protect the hive and gather hosts.

Queens produce eggs.

What's the point of a king?  What function is not being covered already that a king could fulfil?  If someone thinks up a role for it that fits with the existing setup - great. I'm just curious as to what that might be.

"A king has its reign......"

lol

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-14-2017 1:39 PM

Much like the queen in Aliens,if introduced properly then there's a lot storytelling potential.Like i said not my favorite idea,but as ali81 one said i like to keep an open mind.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 1:44 PM

best way to be is to have an open mind. as iv stated, just coz a purpose isn't evident doesn't mean there isn't one or that there r no kings. until someone I consider qualified such as ridley or someone at fox says they definitely don't exist then ill be open to the possibility. if theres no king fair enough as it wont take anything away from the xeno

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-14-2017 1:47 PM

Agreed ali81.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

Neomorph

MemberChestbursterFeb-14-2017 2:42 PM

I could see a xeno "king" in another AVP film, game or comic book, just for the freak show. 

S.M

MemberXenomorphFeb-14-2017 3:03 PM

That's kinda what happened with the Rogue comics.  Though it was called a 'king' it was a genetically engineered creature and not really a 'king' as such.

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 3:16 PM

and doesn't have any baring on whether theres a king or not which is the whole point of the discussion. id be open to a king if they can introduce it in a way that's fitting and logical. if they cant come up with one then leave it out. if those at fox come out and state there is no king then fine.

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-14-2017 3:17 PM

"Why would they die off after a production run of eggs?"

I think maybe they are thinking like some from our very own animal kingdom where the Males have one purpose, mate then thats it.. some soon die, some are food for the Queen i mean Female ;)

I think while Aliens may have borrowed from the Insect World and Ridley did use insects in part as inspiration too but he also refereed to the Organism as Serpent too

We really cant say for sure if the Organism follows anything like the way life Procreates on Earth, or Insects as far as compare it to a Bee/Ant/Wasp or Termite Hive.

These have males, and some do die... like the Honey Bee Male who mates with a Queen, they die after mating.

But we dont know yet if we can say the Xenomorphs have Males or Females, i would like to assume if they are Perfect Organisms and breed/engineered as such then surely having no need for a male would make sense.

If they evolved from some Alien Parasitic Organism, maybe this Organism did not need a Male to Procreate.

I am on the side of the Fence that we dont need a King, i would think of a more Alien route to how the Eggs come to be and also that the Xenmorphs are Inter-sexed or simply have no Sex at all and can procreate Asexually.

Or they need a Host.... this fits in with a more creepy and sinister route.

But i will say we cant ever rule out a King as a off-shoot of some experiment or freak occurrence and mutation.

Right now as Canon, i dont think the King is a concept that we can consider, the Model by Sideshow was just a WHAT IF.

But if fans seem to like that Model and seems interest in such a thing could work, maybe Fox could allow it to be explored as a freak of nature in a Comic and then test the reaction to that?

Right now i would say there is NO KING or a need really as far as Procreation or Protection as if we look at this a Drone and Warrior could perform those tasks.

But we cant rule out ever see a KING  in future, its still fun to speculate though.

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 3:23 PM

beautifully illustrated BD

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-14-2017 3:26 PM

I am drawn to the Drones maybe being Male?

I am drawn to the Egg Morph being something a Drone type Xeno can do to create a Queen.

If i was to consider how any other Organism can play a role in the Queen and Eggs, then i would think a more fitting way would be if a Drone or maybe Warrior can go and get Genetic Material off a Host to then some how pass this onto the Queen so she can make the Eggs. I think this could work... but would this in effect make them a King?

I would think if this involved Sacrifice like a Honey Bee Drone who mates with a Female it would fit with the whole Sacrifice theme.

I would go further and maybe ponder does a Drone need a Female Hosts Eggs in order to Egg Morph someone which would add a whole NEW Dimension to what happened to Lambert.

Or indeed if they need Eggs from a Female Host to then give the Queen so she can reproduce Eggs from the Genetic Code so that the Face Huggers would be suited to the environments supply of Hosts... this makes sense.

But SM would know better.. as far as this next point.... i cant 100% think if Newts Father Russ was the first to be infected and birthed a Xenomorph and then the rest of the Colonists maybe attacked by this Xenomorph and dragged to the Derelict to become Hosts to more Xenos.

I am not sure anywhere explains when and how the Queen came to be.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-14-2017 3:33 PM

@ali81 ;) Thanks

I think there is no harm in coming up with theories even if evidence does not really support them.

I will use this to explain the Deacon as far as i interpreted it.

I think the Egg like thing is just a Placenta that was with the Deacon because the Deacon has a lot of Mammal DNA (Human) because it was from a Human/Xeno DNA Face Hugger the Trilobite

This is why also it was like fully formed at Birth instead of like Snake/Eel like the Chest Buster and its also why the Deacons hands and feet were very Human looking with 5 Digits laid out the same way as Human/Engineer Toes and Fingers (plus Thumbs).

Also why it had Enamel looking Teeth like a Mammal.

As far as the Sex, well for a somewhat Bipedal Humanoid Organism that has Human DNA we see no signs of Male Organs or Female for that matter.

I am sure they did (Fox and Ridley) think the Deacon was Female.

How it would procreate is a very interesting debate that i have covered a few times before, i could gladly try and find where i did and point in the right direction or copy and paste here.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 3:33 PM

russ is the first but the scientists have more people sent to the ship to both investigate an guard the derelict who also become infected. there wasn't any mention of a queen on the derelict but doesn't say whether she was brought from the derelict or a queen burst from a host

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 3:35 PM

BD, some have even theorised the egg itself, hugger not included, is even a separate life form aswell protecting the hugger and alerting it to a possible host by opening. possible theory?

S.M

MemberXenomorphFeb-14-2017 3:43 PM

"But SM would know better.. as far as this next point.... i cant 100% think if Newts Father Russ was the first to be infected and birthed a Xenomorph and then the rest of the Colonists maybe attacked by this Xenomorph and dragged to the Derelict to become Hosts to more Xenos.

I am not sure anywhere explains when and how the Queen came to be."

Cameron explained that more people checked out the Derelict after the Jordens and one them birthed a Queen. This was detailed in River of Pain as well.

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-14-2017 3:44 PM

Neomorph:I don't know if you've played the 2010 AVP,but in there is a Alien known as the Praetorian.I always thought if there was a king,then that's what it might be like.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ali81

MemberNeomorphFeb-14-2017 3:46 PM

don't recall the book depicting a queen though I may be mistaken

Neomorph

MemberChestbursterFeb-14-2017 4:44 PM

ninXeno426

I must've forgotten about that one, so many years since I played that game.

Yeah in a way it certainly has the "appropriate attributes" in terms of size and power to be "crowned" a king XD 

There's also an absolutely humongous xeno as the final boss in Aliens Infestation that could be called a "king"

The king idea in my personal opinion is limited to being a cool addition to the AvP franchise and Aliens expanded universe.

ninXeno426

MemberPraetorianFeb-14-2017 4:53 PM

The xenomorph ending suggested that if there was a sequel you would be playing the preatorian.Possibly it would have given some more insight into what it actually was.I did look at it as a king.If you look at the insect world of bees and ants("bees man,bees have hives."then you'll notice that the king is always smaller than the queen,much like the Praetorian was smaller than the queen alien.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

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