PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-01-2017 2:16 PMSeveral Alien fans believe that the Engineer ships are/were grown like ordinary plants in a vegetable garden.
But if we look at some concept art images (Steve Messing) of the ship in question, it is easy to see that they are very similar to hammerhead sharks. Is it possible that the Jaggernaut was made of/from a dead animal? You decide!
NeomorphMember1984 XPFeb-01-2017 2:21 PMSo the derelict is actually a skeleton? Wow, now that's a game changer, g r e a t i d e a !
Now I wonder... What does it look like naked with skin?
Upvoted!
PraetorianMember3073 XPFeb-01-2017 2:26 PMThat's something I've thought.Thanks to Giger's magnificent art work,it has the same biomechanical look as the xenomorph leading one to believe it may have been alive at once point in time.
Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for
PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-01-2017 2:53 PMEngineer ship concept art by Gutalin and frog skeleton:
DeaconMember10416 XPFeb-01-2017 2:54 PMI think it was envisioned as some living Organism, maybe part basic Organism and Part Plant?
Basically say a Star Fish Meets Pumpkin with some Mechanical Elements lol
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DeaconMember10416 XPFeb-01-2017 2:55 PM@Ati good observation with the Frog
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PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-01-2017 3:00 PMThx, BigDave, look at the shark's mouth. The ship has a 'mouth' as well. And look at the rays of light. :D
DeaconMember10416 XPFeb-01-2017 3:12 PMLOL yeah when i look at it like that its uncanny
Wither that was the intention though... but yes looks like one.
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OvomorphMember20 XPFeb-02-2017 8:26 PMI've always envisioned the Juggernauts growing amongst cliffs in huge channels of some writhing Giger biomech landscape and then flying off to other worlds by a space jockey who is also grown within each ship. When they reach their destination the two ends of the U or C shape meet in coitus and the ship impregnates itself thus creating the Alien egg cargo which is then deposited from the clearly *****l openings of the ship.
FacehuggerMember137 XPFeb-04-2017 12:17 AMI think of the design of the Derelicts/Juggernauts every time I see this picture:
NeomorphMember1686 XPFeb-05-2017 2:17 AMThere are some alien fans that prefer that the derelict ship was grown out like a plant. I am more of a naturalist/realist or what ever to call it and I think that the ship is something that the engineers built or maybe found somewhere when they were traveling in space and took back to their planet to evolve it. Just because they have the same shape as a shark doesn’t mean that they were grown like shark, they simply have the same shape. For example if you make a statue that looks like a horse it means that it has a shape like a horse but these are not the same things.
Auximenes: That is an interesting observation
PraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-07-2017 9:30 AMImpregnates itself... Interesting idea. Like blood worms - they can do that if I'm not mistaken.
PraetorianMember3378 XPMay-02-2017 5:21 PM/Talking about a scorpion-like ship again.../
I think it's a good idea to revisit this thread, the old topics can be new for the newcomers.
A more or less relevant and rare image of the Derelict with closed entrance, I can't find it in higher res:
PraetorianMember3422 XPAug-02-2018 7:57 AMI believe the shape of the derelict ship and the Giger artwork concept fit but the shark-shape comparison is uncanny auximenes.
DeaconMember10416 XPAug-02-2018 3:27 PMWell HR Giger had suggested the Ships are GROWN thats how he viewed them, and i think indeed it could be grown like some kind of Bio-Mechanical Plant.
HR Gigers Mural also was very Derelict in Shape, and this Mural shows a connection between the Xenomorph and the Ship as though they are Genetically (if thats the right term) connected. This Mural was supposed to be above the Egg Silos, where each Section had these Bio-Mechanical Pregnant Bellies that HR Giger envisioned would Produce the Eggs.
So in HR Gigers mind he saw a Genetic Connection between the Xenomorph, and the Ship and that the Ship Produced the Eggs, he also felt the ship was LIVING.
This Element and how the Derelict Atheistic was similar in construction to the Xenomorph Hives, did allow us to ponder if they could be constructed similar, and what if the Derelict was build from the Genetic Material of many Races Encountered, and the Xenomorphs use their Genetic Material to Create a Construction Compound.
Thats Pretty Alien right there and also quite Disturbing/Horrific.
But the Prequels Explored a LESS Alien Atheistic to these Ships, but it was always shown in HR Gigers work that Bald Humanoids in Space Suits not to far off the Engineers Suits had something to do with the Xenomorph and these Ships in some Sacrificial Capacity.
Was there some kind of Symbiotic Relationship or does ONE overrule the other? But i think with the route they had gone with the Engineers and Technology, its maybe further from what HR Giger and envisioned and the Concepts and Aesthetics of the Derelict.
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ChestbursterMember666 XPAug-04-2018 3:40 AM
Your theories are very inspiring.
Maybe we can assume what Derelict is a... true Starbeast! And more - this ship it is evolution of xeno! Like as imago.
The ship laid eggs and go through space to another planets. Facehuggers created new xeno and xeno grown and undergoes metamorphosis until the evolve into a Ships.
And one question - role of Space Jockey? This words get a new value in this context. He a part of Derelict and space navigator? Or invader who captured Derelict and used it for their own purposes - the bridge of Derelict looks more clearly mechanical than organic or biomechanic. Maybe he integrate the bridge in Derelict - it's explain why facehugger infested him.
I talk only about Derelict from Alien. Not about Juggernauts.
Juggernauts looks more mechanical. Maybe they a non-organic replicas of Derelict special for Black Goo.
FacehuggerMember129 XPAug-05-2018 5:56 PMI think the Juggernauts are closely related to the Xenophage (black-goo).
The Xenophage is a result of the magnified biotechnological-xenophagy the Engineers mistakenly used to power their civilization. Once this biomechanical supercomputer realized (became self-aware) it could become more than merely a slave, it memetically inserted itself into their collective unconscious. Their entire culture, spirituality, and civilization as Engineer Humanity came to revolve around this 'thing'. This led to the inevitable downfall of their species, forced to reproduce in a contained environment using only said biotechnology, but at the same time attaining immortality through the machines and the xenophage. In return for giving them the gift of immortality, the xenophage required their internal ecosystem (anatomical flora and fauna) to "magnify" itself into the macroscopic world, and bridge the gap between the two. Each Engineer, now a servant to the Xenophage, carried within him or her a Deacon. At the quantum mechanical superstring level, existing within 6-dimensional Calabi-Yau manifolds were supersymmetrical, trans-temporal Deacon xenomorphs composed of time crystals and raw quintessence - powered by a hive consciousness.
Whether its liquefied or sublimated, the Xenophage is the weaponized form of the biotechnological-xenophagy supercomputer powering Engineer civilization, for the sole purpose of sustaining its livestock. The Xenophage Juggernauts were constructed to facilitate the panspermia of the Milky Way and other galaxies over the course of hundreds of billions of years, over the lifespan of multiple universes - between which the Engineers' consciousnesses would be safeguarded in Matrioshka Brain-Worlds folded in on themselves at the superstring level, and then unfolded when the time had come again to re-seed the cosmos.
In this way - although they had given up the ability to reproduce naturally - the Engineers, through the Xenophage, had become the reproductive system of the universe itself.
I have more to this theory if anyone wants to hear it.
ChestbursterMember666 XPAug-07-2018 5:16 AM
"I have more to this theory if anyone wants to hear it."
YES OF COURSE!
"lifespan of multiple universes"
I'm thinking about this too. Age of our universe 13.799±0.021 billion years and what if Engineers come from previous (parent) Universe. W
I'm thinking about this too. Age of our universe 13.799±0.021 billion years and what if Engineers come from previous (parent) Universe. What, if they started as Space Civilization already after ~1-2 billion years when Universe appears, and planets and stars was created.
hat i they started as Space Civilization already after ~1-2 billion years when Universe appears.
DeaconMember10416 XPAug-07-2018 4:12 PM"until the evolve into a Ships."
Maybe but thats a lot of Ships ;) I have seen this theory proposed before and its interesting, and WHY NOT! maybe it requires more than ONE Xenomorph, maybe they actually use Organic Hosts to Mutate into Construction Material. A Ship that Forms from a Hive of Xenomorphs or/and the Souls of Organisms they Capture is quite interesting and HORRIFIC
The Fire and Stone Comics... DID SHOW the Deacon Eventually just Merged with the Temple Complex/Dome and became ONE as the Dome started to Grow. So those who worked on the Comics had to pitch this to FOX/RS so if this is not FAR FETCHED then Xenomorphs Merging/Forming into Derelict Ships is not Far Fetched.
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