Alien: Covenant

Can chestbursters be surgically removed?

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ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-30-2017 11:03 PM

 Never in the franchise have we seen a chestburster successfully removed from its host.In Alien 3 they say they're going to take it out of Ripley but she doesn't let it happen.In Resurrection Ripley's queen is removed but it's part of the cloning process.There's also Purvis who also doesn't live long enough for it to be removed.Aliens Colonial Marines claims they can't be removed because the chestbursters leave tumors,but i disregard that because it's not canon.So can they?If Ash wasn't hiding it could they have removed it and saved Kane from his fate?

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73 Responses to Can chestbursters be surgically removed?

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 2:11 AM

im sure ridley has done what we do many times, watched the film and thought 'u know what, this would be good' and added or taken things out so a 2 part idea becomes a trilogy

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 2:15 AM

having said that, I think AC could be an add on film. wasn't going to be his next movie, but due to fan reviews he has given us something extra. the end of Prometheus suggested we were going to follow david and shaw and I think that could have been his original idea but has decided on a trilogy and possibly split shaw and david up. I get its more probable shaw is killed off but theres no reason why we cant follow her in the sequel to AC. she may have discovered things on paradise that lead her back to lv223 thinking she has marooned david there?

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 2:18 AM

Agreed.I think he may have a bit put down by some of the back lash against Prometheus,that and some intimidation from Alien 5.I think we probably came real close to not having Covenant.He said The Martian reinvigorated his interest in science fiction.

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ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 2:26 AM

beauty with alien and going back is u could easily do 5 movies theres so many possibilities and ideas

Karstenphd

OvomorphMember67 XPJan-31-2017 2:27 AM

As far as the Facehugger is concerned I think the best scientific way to remove one and survive is to tie a piece of string around it, attach the other end of the string to an open doors doorknob, and slam the door closed. Science.

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 2:30 AM

think the facehugger fairy will leave any money under the patients pillow?

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 2:32 AM

They are definitely making at least two more,but if these are good enough they can easily make more.I still think there's a chance for Alien 5.

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ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 2:34 AM

Lol that's one way i suppose.

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ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 2:39 AM

I agree about alien5, I def think itl come but I believe ridley is holding it up so he can get his trilogy done first

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 2:44 AM

That's true.Ridley did say Prometheus 2 needed to happen first,and now we have Alien Covenant.Blomkamp just needs to be a little more patient.

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ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 2:53 AM

think when it was all being planned out ridley, as quoted by miss weaver, asked Blomkamp to release his after Prometheus sequel but ridley has changed things. that's what makes me think AC is something extra that we weren't meant to get. alien5 has been put back/ off again due to an AC sequel. makes sense to me for blomkamp to wait. plus ridley is producing alien5 so hes the one with the power. plus the Prometheus project was well under way before alien5 was considered

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 2:57 AM

Yeah.I remember Blomkamp saying that there was one thing he needed to change for it to link up with Prometheus 2,so Covenant definitely needs to happen first.

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ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 3:08 AM

if I was a betting man id bet ridley has full control over the Prometheus project and a good say in alien5. the fact ridley has altered his project and Blomkamp has put alien5 back def adds weight to this. it would also help Blomkamp in a way as he would be less inclined to put things in his movie that contradict previous events in alien or its prequels 

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 3:12 AM

Yeah there's a lot of confusion regarding Alien 5's placement,on whether 3 and Resurrection are being ignored or not.

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ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-31-2017 3:30 AM

from what I took from ridleys comments is that they exist, hes not putting them down of disrespecting the work any director has done. hes simply saying after aliens, this is the movie I would have made, and the fans can decide what they like themselves. if u don't like alien5 then u have 3 and AR to watch again or vice-versa. I doubt there will be facts in alien5 about the xeno itself that will contradict the others, its just an alternate sequel I believe

BigDave

DeaconMember10354 XPJan-31-2017 4:34 AM

As pointed out.... by others.

Spaights Draft removed a Chest Buster... is this Canon... Nope... does it mean this cant happen... Nope.... so yes the potential is there to be able to REMOVE ONE

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10354 XPJan-31-2017 4:45 AM

Ignoring Spaights draft...

I would say YES a Chest Buster can be removed, it would be hard and maybe there would be some failures.. but with enough infected Hosts i think they could manage to obtain one.

As far as however, to remove one and the Host being OK?  I would say this would be very slim and it would depend on a number of things.

1) Stage of Growth.... if they try to extract it at a early stage and so say like when Ash and Dallas had tried to get the Face Hugger of Kane.... then yes with the right equipment i would say getting a early stage Embryo would be a success...

*Less risk to the Host and so a higher possibility of survivial

*However why does the Xeno need a Host? and so would maybe removing a early stage result in the Organism being useless as it would not develop and be like aborting/removing a Human Fetus after its weeks old?

2) How active is the Xeno Chest Buster at certain stages.

*would it at a stage when it would be of use as a Organism (so be like a Human Fetus at 20 weeks + Stage) would the Xeno react when medical staff open up the Rib-cage, locate the Xeno Embryo would this Organism be in placid state, or would it react and try and escape or be hostile... the more active and hostile and how it would attempt to move or react to someone trying to take it out... would no doubt lead to Trauma to the Hosts Organs and especially if it gets wounded in the process (Acid).

*also what defense mechanisms the Organism has... the Face Hugger can secrete Acid, its how it managed to get into Kanes Helmet and onto his Face... we see the Xeno do this in AVP movies (Spit Acid) but its a case of as far as Canon to Alien Franchise can a Xeno or Chest Buster, secrete or spit Acid.. if so then if it does this as a defense mechanism , we then get potential Acid Damage to the Host.

HOWEVER....

With Advanced procedures we cant rule out them being able to use some needle to inject the Xeno with something to incapacitate it and then Proceed with removal and if they can nowadays removed Large Tumors... then in future removing a Xeno would be simple..... provided the Organism is sedated.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10354 XPJan-31-2017 4:47 AM

"if u don't like alien5 then u have 3 and AR to watch again or vice-versa"

I think this is the Fork in Road idea that Weaver said.. and how we are to look at the movie if it got made....  simply as TWO alternative sequels.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Neomorph

ChestbursterMember738 XPJan-31-2017 4:50 AM

@BD

Like S.M pointed out, we did get to see a chestburster getting surgically removed from Ripley 8 in AR. But since she wasn't a human maybe it doesn't apply the same way. 

QueenElizabethShaw

ChestbursterMember554 XPJan-31-2017 8:10 AM

As big Dave mentioned, there is a fantastic description of removing Watts' (Shaw's) chestburster in Spaiht's draft. While it's true that it doesn't qualify as canon, it's quite grizzly and most definitely serves as food for thought in regards to this topic.

Including the excerpt below:

"Naked she staggers into the pod. Hits INITIATE. The surgical apparatus swings into place. Scalpels, forceps, scopes and suction tubes. A spraygun mists her torso with yellow antiseptic. The clear canopy descends over her. Watts SCREAMS. A wail of indescribable agony. An ARMORED PARASITE erupts from the deepening incision. Its needle-toothed maw snarls through a fountain of blood. Arterial blood sprays the inside of the canopy. The parasite slithers out of her. Drops to the floor of the pod: a pale serpent with a demon’s skull. It has a hard brow, a horny hide. Very different from the soft white worm that Holloway gave birth to. It drops to the floor, thrashing and hissing in fury at its confinement. Watts convulses. Her eyes roll back. In shock. Dying. The parasite tears through the grille of the drain. Escapes out into Vickers’s cabin. In the pod, scanning beams and sensors probe Watts’s horrific wound. A nightmare list scrolls across the pod’s screen:
COLLAPSED LEFT LUNG
PUNCTURED RIGHT VENTRICLE
PERFORATED STOMACH
RUPTURED SPLEEN
GROSS MUSCULAR TRAUMA...
Manipulators plunge lines into her veins - recharging her body with artificial blood. An oxygen tube slips down her throat. An epidural into her spine. Watts moans around her tracheal tube. Her eyes flutter open.
Through the blood-spattered glass, she sees the parasite slither across Vickers’s bed, tracking blood on the sheets. As she slips into unconsciousness. Head lolling. Time passes. 90. Manipulators reach into her wound. Re-positioning organs. Suturing ravaged flesh. A nozzle sprays antiseptic sealant. Hours grind by in bloody labor. Watts’s eyes snap open. Vigoda breaks into the cabin, a gun in his hand. He scowls at the bloody track on the bed - and then freezes, seeing Watts inside the Med Pod, a vivisected woman. The autosurgeon hard at work. The parasite crawls into view behind Vigoda. It has already trebled in size. He does not see it before it leaps at him. He dies in seconds. His throat ripped open. Lies staring at nothing. His submachine gun lies beside him. Watts’s body jerks as manipulators tug and sew at her guts. She stares at the dead man in a fog of horror. The parasite’s skin splits, spraying the carpet with acid. Limbs erupt from its shoulders and haunches. Spines from its back. Metamorphosis. With a crack of carapace, its head swings down from its serpentine position. It becomes a devil with an lethal, elongated skull. An Alien. The Alien turns its head. Looks at Watts inside the Med Pod. Her breath catches. She passes out.

INT. MED POD - LATER
Watts wakes as the oxygen line withdraws from her mouth. She looks down, bleary and hurting. Her star-shaped wound is stitched closed with mechanically precise sutures. The pod releases the restraints securing her arms and legs. She takes a deep breath. Looks out - and freezes."

ifox

OvomorphMember63 XPJan-31-2017 8:29 AM

They also recently removed one in Alien: Defiance.

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 2:30 PM

Excellent insights every body.Which one is Aliens:Defiance?

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S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJan-31-2017 2:46 PM

Current comic series.  Well worth a look - particularly the issue where they remove an embryo.

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPJan-31-2017 2:54 PM

Thanks.I'll look for them online.

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BigDave

DeaconMember10354 XPFeb-01-2017 6:33 AM

I thought i did mention Alien Resurrection... must have forgot..

But yes this movie shows they had successfully removed one, while it never showed us how they did it, i think a procedure like i put in my other Topic would work.

The key would be to sedate the Xenomorph inside before attempting to remove it,  but if you did not care about the Host then you could just try and remove it... but if it was sedated it would lessen the chances of damaging the Organism as it attempts to escape or move.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

chli

ChestbursterMember935 XPFeb-01-2017 7:12 AM

I think that’s better (scarier) than what we get in Prometheus, QueenES (no giant facehugger). But I suppose they wanted something new?

When it comes to surgically remove an alien baby, you could perhaps see it as it depends on what stage in development it is in? It grows very fast and the host doesn’t seem to feel it until it wants out? Then it would be dangerous (especially to the host), but perhaps sedation (as BD suggests) would be possible (although we don’t know how it would react to it? It is very enduring to vacuum, fumes, chemicals etc.)?

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPFeb-01-2017 1:02 PM

We've discussed Alien Resurrection a bit BigDave.Its does indeed show an alien being successfully removed,but i believe those are special cir***stances.

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S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-01-2017 1:20 PM

I don't see why they'd be special.  Ripley 8 had an embryo, before it was mature enough to burst they used a surgical laser to cut her open, held the wound open, and extracted it, cutting with umbilical it had attached to her.

Because it was a Queen that takes more time to mature, they had more time to remove it.  You might not be so lucky with a non-Queen.

ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPFeb-01-2017 1:44 PM

I believe it's special because of the cloning.They're not 100 percent the same xenomorph.

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S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-01-2017 2:04 PM

While that is true - what difference would it make?

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