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MAJOR SPOILER ALERT (hypothetically) This is not the Engineer's home world.

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Karstenphd

OvomorphMember67 XPJan-02-2017 6:31 AM

 Hello friends !  I'm thinking that David found the Engineer's home world thus  fulfilling his promise to Shaw , let whatever events play out with her and the engineers , immersed himself in their civilization as evidenced by his sacrificial Engineers cloak , and upon learning all that he could glean from the Engineer's elders , fled the planet because of an unfortunate planet ending incident that he might or might not have been the perpetrator of , or possibly a civil war between different religious or political sects.      If the Covenant crew just happen to stumble upon the Engineer's home world , wouldn't their ships personnel , who are familiar with terra-forming , and equipped with products to substain terra-forming be able to find evidence of the Engineer's civilization via a footprint left behind after their demise ? The Engineer's don't have dwellings, governmental / religious buildings , landing fields , labs , etc ? How can a whole society disappear without a trace ? And upon encountering proof of an alien civilization  , even if extinct , that would reset some of the Covenant crews priorities to investigate and our resources into furthering the company's knowledge of this priceless discovery , along with advanced technology. That's not the Engineer's home world. 

 I think that he might of escaped from the Engineer's home world after unleashing hell on them , and then he and Shaw head to the planet that the Covenant crew is headed to , that he knows Weyland Yutani has terra-formed and is sending a colonization ship to , patiently donning his lab jacket (Sacrificial Engineer cloak) , waiting  patiently for his test subjects to enter the planet's solar system after awakening from hyper sleep ,   with Weyland Yutani being complicit by covertly allowing David to continue with his directive of investigating any alien contact to further the company's agenda , possibly overtly  in tandem with Walter.          

                     The Engineer's are beings capable of interstellar travel  via technology advanced enough to utilize wormholes , terra-form dozens , hundreds , thousands of planets and make them habitable , and a plethora of other abilities such as gene manipulation , staying in hypersleep for thousands of years , etc. and yet we are to believe that they only inhabit one planet in one solar system and are summarily wiped out ? Maybe. If they are unable to reproduce perhaps or are being exterminated themselves by superior might.  

I hope we get a three dimensional portrayal of the Engineer's and their history and culture , because I absolutely think Alien is a sci-fi masterpiece and also loved prometheus , actually more then any film in the Alien franchise with the exception of the original Alien , so you can have both Prometheus scope and science with Aliens horror and grittines  hopefully in the upcoming movies.  Also , I'm not focusing on what the people involved in the movie are saying , rather what they aren't saying , and I want to be the first to say thay "MAJOR SPOILER ALERT" Danny McBride is a synthetic person ! He's doing a dumb smart cowboy Ash , looking so unlike what you expect in a synthetic. Why do companies with multi-trillion dollars worth of   assets in play not send in fail safes in the form of back-up artificial people ? And the spores fit into David knowingly seeding the planet not only with face huggers , but upping the game as he was directed to in his original programming via experimentation.  Or maybe he is Peter Pan , think about it , the theme song Nature Boy speaks about finding love at the end of the boy's journey , I believe . What if either through the Engineer's or another means , such as being programmed in such a way that he had less inhibitors than later models of synthetics such as Cal and Bishop , he  actually gained a semblance of actual sentience both mentally and possibly emotionally , what if he or Walter is the proverbial father of the  bio mechanical xenomorph ? Though I see more of a resemblance with the Xenomorphs and the original space jockey ie Engineer type suit.

14 Responses to MAJOR SPOILER ALERT (hypothetically) This is not the Engineer's home world.

Tiago_miami_la

FacehuggerMember236 XPJan-02-2017 5:50 PM

i made a thread waiting for approval. according to the closest draft leaked for covenant and info i got my hands on today this is a indigenous race of the engineers...not the higher hierarchy advanced and powerfull ones..also the xeno we think its the perfect organism is not it. we will have the real deal to worship wich the powerfull engineers mastered the black goo chemical with that original creature compounds so with this i imagine the real perfect organism.

i also thought weird how david would wipe out a entire race of engineers just like that xD so inteligente and so powerfull....david a robot made by humans.

 

so this adds up

Tiago_miami_la

FacehuggerMember236 XPJan-02-2017 5:50 PM

also the planet in covenant is just a planet of many..they are everywhere and they are not extint, somewhat like in predators we have the small race yatuja and we have the bigger ones...they look similar but yet diferent. thats what i have and it makes sense to me.

BigDave

DeaconMember10244 XPJan-02-2017 6:19 PM

Welcome aboard... and where do i start..

Many things you touched upon... a lot we have discussed on here..  dont know where to begin ;)

First.... what a interesting twist..... Certainly a interesting one... who knows, would the Engineers see David as God.. what if Paradise was inhabited by other types of Engineers they was created by another Race... some of them Rebel and get Expelled from Paradise..

These then go on to steal Technology and Re-weaponize it and the people they stole it off have the Derelicts or similar... but many thousands of years has passed since then... The Fallen Faction have disposed of their Creators...  they was then going to go back to Paradise to then Rule over their Brothers... but they instead created Mankind...

Blah Blah Blah.. we have Prometheus Arc... and plot...

When David returns to Paradise in a Ship similar to the Gods... those beings on Paradise having not seen them for thousands of years... think David is God..

Then we go into your theory... the above could provide a way that would allow why the Engineers Culture seems Ancient on Paradise and how they would preserve David in such high Regards...

Do i think this is the case... no really but hey interesting theory by you and a little something i added ;)

What i added however.. could explain how these beings would have no means to detect David or even be willing to stand there while David unleashes Hell on them (thats if this is the case).

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10244 XPJan-02-2017 6:26 PM

Fully agree with the Plot Hole... of sorts... as far as how a Colony Ship manages to not defect any Ancient Culture..

The only logical way its its very Ancient... like ours was 2000 or so years ago.. and Engineers are long gone... If Mankind had only survived and inhabited Africa and Middle East and there was no other Humans as far as North and East Europe... only just the area around Greece, Isreal, and Turkey and North Africa and Iran and Iraq..

These Civilizations was as they where say 3000-5000 years ago... then the Whole of Mankind dies out...

So come 2500 BC Mankind who only Civilized say Egypt/Isreal Border and 1500 miles either way of say the Black Sea...  had all of a sudden died out..

Fast Forwards to say 5000-7000 AD... so 7-10 thousand years after this event.....    From Space how much would we seen in that time of what remained of Ancient Civilizations..?

What if they inhabited such smaller area of Earth and died out 2500 BC and we came back in 15-25 thousands years what would be left then?

Maybe this could explain why they dont detect much?

Then again Prometheus raised the same kind of Flaws too with LV-223

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Myrddin365

FacehuggerMember425 XPJan-02-2017 6:27 PM

So on the actual home planet, they may be holding Shaw captive, and David has to kill the rebel Engineers on the planet Covenant is approaching to get her out. It's just 10 years later because he can't take off

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

BigDave

DeaconMember10244 XPJan-02-2017 6:27 PM

There are a lot of other things you put that have been discussed on here and so i am sure you will have a great time on here..

And its nice to see someone who actually is interested in more than seeing Aliens and Ripley ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10244 XPJan-02-2017 6:32 PM

Ridley had hinted that the Sacrificial Scene did not have to be Earth... many are now thinking it was Paradise... it could be.

But Ridley was trying to show us these Engineers seed life like that on many many Worlds..

The Source i had, indeed hinted that Mankind on Earth is not the only place we have existed or indeed the only Generation of Mankind.

And that indeed Paradise is not the Homeworld not as far as God/Hierarchy above it all...   They claim Paradise is just the Headquarters (well was) within this Galaxy.. and hint that the scope of the Hierarchy is beyond the boundaries of our Galaxy.

The Orrey room in Prometheus seems to back this up, as the Bubble/Sphere David was in with all those Planets.. was surrounded by multiple other Bubbles that had Galaxies.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

QueenElizabethShaw

ChestbursterMember554 XPJan-03-2017 4:09 AM

...withholding until a later time

QueenElizabethShaw

ChestbursterMember554 XPJan-03-2017 4:11 AM

Anyone know if the test screening summary leak posted on 4chan yesterday is real? Apparently it was leaked on an alien fan site some time ago

BigDave

DeaconMember10244 XPJan-03-2017 8:44 AM

I think we need to be careful and maybe make a Spoiler Topic to post them in just in case......

But to me its a recap of the other 4chan leak and i wander if the IMDB and 4chan are the same person... The Recent Leak is just a tweak to the other one to make it more detailed and glossy and fix parts that others commented on that was  not detailed enough.

My stance is this...

*There are flaws to it... dont add up to trailer, clues and cast comments.

*Bit more like a Alien Fan Boy rewrite

*If true its a Cop out and well basically a AVPR with Ridley Scot

If someone does a Post on it tagged as Spoiler...

I would gladly tear the leak a New A-Hole...  well that be pointless as its got to many holes anyway...

Its very different to the Source information i had from February 2015, but they was vague and cryptic like Ridley Scott is... This source information was first time a lot of things was mentioned that Ridley latter mentioned and we see to a degree in Covenant... But the Source could be fabricated and regardless its based off the Plan before Logan Re-wrote the Draft in the Summer 2015

Ridleys comments, and Wayne Haag interview pointed to a different theme than the 4Chan Leak...

BY THE WAY......

4Chan leak now has more news..... The Neomorph and Protomorph now Fight!!!!!!!!   Who wins? i guess depends which ones David controls lol

No Seriously if a thread is made and allowed... i will rip the 4chan post to shreds..... but then there is the chance some of it could be true.... or all of it and missed bits.... either way it seems this movie is doing to Alien/Prometheus what AVPR did to AVP lol  If the 4Chan leak is correct

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

QueenElizabethShaw

ChestbursterMember554 XPJan-03-2017 8:50 AM

I posted the one I'm referencing in someone else's spoiler leak thread a few moments ago.

It's in
The real leakleaks is here.(Spoiler alert)

Have at it....

SteveRogers1973

FacehuggerMember203 XPJan-03-2017 11:46 AM

 Maybe they will find a way to tie this all back to The Thing!  Loved that movie....based on a Lovecraft story.

A L I E N 4 2 6

FacehuggerMember444 XPJan-03-2017 3:34 PM

I would honestly take ANYTHING that comes out of 4chan with a HUGE grain of salt, even if they are correct. And yeah I'm pretty sure we speculated about the Neos and Protomorph going at it for awhile now. 

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPJan-03-2017 11:17 PM

personally I believe this is NOT the engineer homeworld but another world manipulated by them in the same way we see on earth in the opening scenes in prometheous.except this planet is closer to theyr homeworld so can be monitored.they see how evolution plays out and see that theyr creations become aggressive and become a thread very quickly,hence the black goo created as a WMD and the covenant crew land some time after the goo has been used,this would answer why earth was also targeted.remember Ridley has stated before he wants 4 films connected to prometheous,I believe the next one will focus more on Shaw and her quest to find the engineers and that this one is simply more an alien horror film.they will all connect to each other but the way prometheous was done sets up the possibility of multiple films going in separate directions ie 2 films covering the alien franchise and 2 focusing more on 'who are we'?

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