Alien: Covenant

Who knew what and when?

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OvomorphMember26 XPDec-27-2016 4:19 PM

One of the constant themes of this series had been the evil corporation. Following the Prometheus mission, who at Mission Control on Earth knew the details of the loss of all but one of the crew? Or do we assume that no data was transmitted by David? When Peter Weyland said in his Ted Talk that "We are the Gods now," should we assume that there is an individual or a team that knows all and is planning to use the Alien as a weapon or use its technology to make trillions? 

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NeomorphMember1984 XPDec-27-2016 5:10 PM

Good topic!

Since LV-223 is so far, I doubt Shaw's (or Ripley's) transmission ever got to Earth--- even if it remarkably did, the message would've aged several years! By then no one cares :)

So I doubt there's an actual team planning to exploit engineer technology--- I just think the corporation as a whole was exploiting (because of an accidental stumble into godly territories). Weyland was only promoting his entire company through these Ted Talks.

But who knows!   ;)



FacehuggerMember425 XPDec-27-2016 5:39 PM

They could have gotten Shaws message between the two films, but they wouldn't know which way she'd gone or where to look for her

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!


DeaconMember10416 XPDec-27-2016 6:44 PM

This is and always will be one of the biggest UN-answered mysteries....

What did the company really know... as Order 937 was surely showing they knew something...

After Prometheus we find out that near LV-426.. 28 years prior the USCSS Prometheus had arrived at a near by Moon and uncovered some horrific answers to the pursuit of Questions they was hoping to find... (why was maps to this place left by beings Ancient Man interpreted as Gods).

*If the company knew about the Space Jockey SOS... surely they would know about Shaws?

*In the next 28 years they send the Nostromo to LV-426 but they have never been back to LV-223 to investigate the missing Prometheus.... especially when in the year 2122 a out of date Lockmart CM 88B Bison M-Class starfreighter (Nostromo) could get to Earth or abouts in 10 months...

*The USCCS Covenant somehow ends up on the same World that David and Shaw headed to, some 18 years prior to the Nostromo arriving at LV-223.....  Coincidence... maybe they are within a certain distance but on a different course and divert due to a signal from Paradise...

What happens to the Covenant post AC and does any information gained go back to the Company prior to 2122 and if so, then why again is there no mission to LV-223.

These i things that need to be addressed by the time Ridley has finished with his Trilogy.


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPDec-27-2016 6:53 PM

All very very good replies...

I will continue.....

The Prometheus Viral Marketing...  has stated that the company had knowledge of LV-426 some 52 years prior to Prometheus setting off to LV-223

Discovery of Acheron LV-426

Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century.

May 14, 2039

The Blu-Ray extras has a Email....

#1. Quiet Eye: Elizabeth Shaw, Weyland tells us that they picked up a transmission, FROM LV-426!!! "As fate would have it, Shaw and Halloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptibel signal eminating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw and Halloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of interest could actually be the moon LV-426. Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will be programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right. For if the Yutani's new ECIU software is to be trusted, there might be great risk awaiting us on the path to an even greater reward.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPDec-27-2016 7:01 PM

This if we use it as canon means they knew something....

David would have been ordered to investigate and keep a eye on LV-426....

This leaves the Door open to explore... as David could easily had gone to LV-426... acquired a Specimen from the Derelict... sent a message...

Then off to Paradise with a Specimen or few....  This would explain those Eggs in AC.....  but they could leave it ambiguous with no answers... so we are left to assume was they there prior to David, after or if he got them from LV-426...

Shaw would be in Cryo-sleep we would assume, and David sets the Alarm Clocks and so he can go where ever he wanted to.

Would he pass up the chance to go look at LV-426?

only if he gathered some information and also information from LV-223 that leads him to suggest that Paradise is the place to go to first.

WHEN I WAS.. working on my P2 draft...

Indeed i had it that Yutani was spying on Prometheus and it encrypted the Data to Yutani..... a had a whole plan for a Corporate Espionage and Weylands Nephew then as Shareholder agrees to the Merger because of information Yutani have (plus Yutani Assassinated the True Heir to Weylands Fortune in a Twist ...yes Vickers.... ) Japanese Giesha Synthetics vs Vickers Battle ;)   SPOILER Ending revealed Vickers was a Robot... back up plan by Weyland..  and a Robot can not take over a company... thus Weylands Nephew took over.... at a cost of a Merger...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Michelle Johnston

ChestbursterMember763 XPDec-27-2016 10:29 PM

Lone offered information in the summer from a tie in book which SM confirmed was canon which indicated that Prometheus continued to transmit signals, even after the initial Prometheus incident, to Weyland's mainframe and they were aware of what happened and presumably received Shaw's transmission.

If this remains Canon then the pull to Paradise will need to be strong. I have always taken the view David8 baited them. The trailer may have revealed their is a signal which diverts/leads them to the location (a riff on the original film). They would be interested in this seeming Paradise though Daniels is a terraformer a Space Gardener as Kathrine describes her character.

If the sequence of films are made "backing into", part of the charm and attraction of doing so is to give meaning to what happens in Alien. There is in Ash's performance enough to suggest those films will reveal elements of W- Y knew about the mutagen and its ability to create aggressive weaponised variants of its targets. As Daniels is a terraforming specialist I think this will play into what they seek in subsequent films as well.

Whether they go after the origin of life (the green liquid, green crystal) or seemingly more obvious stand alone benefits (weaponising catalyser/terraforming agents) we shall see and may well be hocked in to the narrative of Covenant and set up the "quite complex story" as Ridley describes it.

In summary unless that book I refer to, which was published this year, has been de canonised then W-Y knew about LV - 223 and Shaw's survival, her message and possibly her intent and that smooths us from P to AC which Benjamin Rigby said when hired and having read the script flowed from one to the other. I certainly believe the third strand of the movie W-Y will be played big and include insights into the nefarious and duplicitous nature of the company.       

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