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PARADISE

PARADISE

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BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPOct-19-2016 10:04 AM

I would like to start a Topic to discus Paradise, as we are aware this is the Term that David said Ancient Mankind would have referred to the Homeworld the Engineer who spoke to David had said they are from.

Paradise

In context to David's conversation with Shaw is pointing towards many Ancient Cultures telling of a place of Creation, place of Gods sometimes the Place of Afterlife (for the Virtuous)...  but in almost every instance its depicted as a Place of Peace, Harmony and Visual Beauty a lush Green and thriving clean environment.

The Abrahamic Religions ( Judaism, Christianity and Islam) attribute Paradise to be the Garden of Eden and so the Cradle of Life as regards to the Origins of Mankind and a Tranquil Garden with various Plants, Crops and Trees.

I think as Ridley Scott had made Biblical Connections in Prometheus then the Garden of Eden plays a role in Context to the Plot... like wise the John Milton Paradise Lost Poem.

But we also have Greek Mythos that played a role in Prometheus and the Greek Equivalent of Paradise is the Fields of Elysium.

Both depictions if you look at many images are very similar and in context of the Alien Covenant movie, then the New Zealand and Western Australia Shooting Locations are just fitting.

The image above is a perfect representation of the area where Alien Covenant had been shot, and this image fits very much with the image i chose from the Garden of Eden and Elysian Fields

The image from Fjords New Zealand does represent the Paradise that the Covenant Crew was hoping to discover, a tranquil world with all the ingredients to start a New Life and Colonize without the need for any Tera-Forming a Perfect Paradise as Earth was prior to the Dawn of Mankind.

The first part of this Topic is to show how indeed Paradise Looks represented, not only from the context of how the Garden of Eden and Elysian Fields are depicted and how they fit in very much with the Landscape of New Zealand Fjords and this is the kind of Paradise World the Covenant Crew had hoped to arrive at, as detailed in the Synopis....

But of course this World is not Empty as maybe the Covenant Crew had maybe thought it would be.... Yes we have David as the Sole Occupant but i dont wish to dwell on David in this Topic, or the Evolving Creature.

I would like to imagine what this place was like many Thousands or Millions of Years ago.... This place was the Homeworld of Sorts of the Engineer Race and maybe there Ancestors and i think its no Coincidence that the name and connections to Paradise Lost have been made.

Paradise  was the proverbial interpretation of the Garden of Eden and Elysian Fields.... a Place that was the Cradle of Life, and a Vision of what awaits in the After Life.

But it is also the place where the Cradle of Life Originated from at least in context to our Galaxy and the Franchise.

But what else is Paradise Like?

It certainly was a Place where our Creation as far as Creators had held their maybe once Humble Roots, a Place surely where these Godlike Genetic Engineers and their Hierarchy had dwelled from and Plotted and Planned Creation from.

Where is Paradise? What does it look like now? and What did it look like before the Great Rebellion/Fall.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPNov-04-2016 9:27 AM

If this scene is actually in the movie then it may loosely be tied into it... the thing with the History of the Norse Mythos is there are many variants of the Tales...  The Greek Mythos and Romans also has this problem a bit.

So i think maybe it would be the connecting themes between all Mythos in that what they have similar that is what would be taken and used.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPNov-05-2016 9:13 AM

As far as Entry of the Gods Into Valhalla goes

This seems to share the kind of Morality Tale... of a All Powerful Element/Object/Knowledge that is not intended to be used by those who gained possession of it or used in a way that was not intended for by those who possessed it

And that the possession and use of this Power leads to the Downfall of those who try to use it to their own gain.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPDec-08-2016 6:58 PM

Now we will soon get the trailer... and find out what Paradise really does look like i came across this interesting image on Pininterest.... tagged Prometheus/Avatar... i have never seen Avatar so i cant say if its connected to that.... but its interesting image..

What if Paradise had gone from this....

To this....

Looks like Eggs/Spores near trees as the AC Spore leak claimed... which now could hold some truth since people who had a sneak peak at some footage had confirmed it a bit.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPMar-14-2017 9:00 AM

First more distant shot of Paradise

Looks just as the Source described it about 2 years ago then again, just maybe more of the same Coincidence ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3422 XPMar-15-2017 9:02 PM

"And would this not be fantastic", yes it would, thank you BigDave for this especially the content on the potential ruins "look" above.

SpecialOrder937.com

Apex_Predator

FacehuggerMember118 XPMar-15-2017 10:39 PM

Looks like it has a massive hurricane going on. Perhaps a terraforming technology.

Want some candy?

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPApr-12-2017 3:12 PM

Thought i would update on here saves making New Topics.

Here is the First Image we had of Paradise

Here is the latest shot from the New Featurette

The Source said the world was about 3 X size of Earth maybe up to 4, and that it had 3 Moons but the concept appeared to show 5 objects. 

The New details we have on Paradise now does show 3 Moons and it looks very similar to how the described only the size and Mass are different...

However the Size and Mass given on the System (on Covenant) appears Flawed.

Here are the Stats for Paradise ... With (Earth) in brackets.

Mass: Paradise 7.22 X 10 Kg (Earth 5.972 X 10 Kg)

21% Greater Than Earth

Diameter: Paradise 2350 Km (Earth 12742 Km)

So thats less than 5th of Earth  Paradise Smaller than the Moon?

Mean Density in kg/m3: Paradise 5520 (Earth 5515)

Basically similar, why this world is very Earth like.

I can only assume the Diameter is supposed to be 23500 and so 184% (1.84X) that of Earth

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPApr-12-2017 3:13 PM

Oh notice and its hard to read that is says 2 or 7 Moons and looking at the Orbits it has 7 Moons....  i am sure Science Geeks who picked apart Prometheus will have something to say about that lol

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-14-2017 10:54 AM

So, with the mass to size variance, is the internal structure of the planet metal or something of very high mass?

"Here are the Stats for Paradise ... With (Earth) in brackets.

Mass: Paradise 7.22 X 10 Kg (Earth 5.972 X 10 Kg)

21% Greater Than Earth

Diameter: Paradise 2350 Km (Earth 12742 Km)

So thats less than 5th of Earth  Paradise Smaller than the Moon?

Mean Density in kg/m3: Paradise 5520 (Earth 5515)

"Basically similar, why this world is very Earth like.

I can only assume the Diameter is supposed to be 23500 and so 184% (1.84X) that of Earth"

Do I understand that Paradise is smaller than Earth but larger in mass?

Thank you so much BigDave for the stats, perfect comparison. This image below is great too.

Daniels tells Oram in the new trailer that it's "too good to be true" in regards to the new planet they found with the signal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVeWe6FmFg8&list=LLwyNYNcR59pbLUGn4_qhx8Q

The statistics you prepared above in relation to Earth tends toward Daniels being skeptical that they could find another Earth-Like planet. How could they be so lucky?

What is so high in mass that may be shown in the Covenant scan of the planet Paradise below?

 

SpecialOrder937.com

BigDave

DeaconMember10416 XPApr-14-2017 1:08 PM

The Mass is the Gravitational Influence a Planet can have.

I guess its like looking at a Beach Ball which has a greater Diameter than a Bowling Ball but a Bowling Ball would have greater Mass.  Its not quite as simple as Weight of a Planet though... 

As Gas Planets can have a Small Solid Core that weighs less than a Solid Planet (well lager Physical Mass) but the Gas Giants have a Large amount of Gas, which weighs less than Solid Matter but due to its size has a greater Gravitational Effect.

The Mean Density is effected by things like the Height of the Atmosphere from the Ground, basically how far from Sea Level is it to say the stratosphere for example.

And i think amount of Water can effect this... and also the Density of the Gases that are contained within the Bubble of Earths Greater Atmosphere so to speak.

And so Paradise by having a similar reading means its very close as far as habitability would be to Earth.

The Diameter i assume is a error..

2350 Km is small.... Our Moon is 3474 Km and so there is no way Paradise is about as Big as Pluto.. or Small LOL

And if Paradise is indeed only 2350 km then it would in no way have 7 Satellites never mind the 3 that are very Globe like in Shape like our Moon.

A world that is 2350 km in diameter would in no way have the Gravitational effect to help those Moons Form a Globe Shape they would just be more like Lumps of Rock.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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