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Will the Prometheus storyline be a strong piece of the story in alien 5?

Will the Prometheus storyline be a strong piece of the story in alien 5?

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PraetorianMember2267 XPSep-13-2016 7:56 PM

Will we see lineage of Prometheus storylines webbed into Neil Blomkamp's new sequel to Cameron's Aliens? more than we expect?

Even tho this is a direct sequel to Aliens, and you would think it would strongly be about that...maybe it will share both in a big way...

will we see hammerpedes, trilobites, Engineers? .... or records of the doomed crews within the vain of the storyline?




 "Must be something we haven't seen yet.."__Bishop


24 Responses to Will the Prometheus storyline be a strong piece of the story in alien 5?

Patient Leech

FacehuggerMember158 XPSep-14-2016 7:06 AM

It would be nice if they weaved some threads together like that, created some continuity. But I don't think much is known about this potential Alien 5. I also find it kind of odd that they keep calling it Alien 5 when it's going to completely render useless Alien 3 and 4. Shouldn't it be more like Alien 2.5? heh

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPSep-14-2016 11:43 AM

HAWLEY GRIFFIN - You raise a very interesting question! I, too, have often wondered if Prometheus will have ties to Alien 5. However, I am quite frequently reminded of the fact that Sir Scott seems to be, for lack of a better word, "selfish" with the continuities of his films. It is often the case that Ridley Scott appears to prefer for his films to stand on their own rather than be tied into spin-offs. Of course, this is simply my perception on the matter. I could very well be quite mistaken with regards to this assessment! :)


EngineerAdmin22700 XPSep-14-2016 5:10 PM

I would assume so, given Ridley Scott's intervention and position as executive producer. They will likely try to tie them all together like Disney is doing with their new episodic Star Wars sequels and spin-off Star Wars story stand-alone films.

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FacehuggerMember316 XPSep-14-2016 6:51 PM

I agree that Ridley is more interested in his own ideas but with Alien, I applaud his fidelity. Will we see Prometheus/Covenant ideas in A5? Maybe, but at the very least we can expect them to not be contradicted.

Having Ridley produce says a lot about where Fox wants things to go, to ensure quality and restore credibility. I imagine if Ridley became unavailable they would try for Cameron. 



FacehuggerMember425 XPSep-15-2016 8:35 AM

I don't think it will go out of it's way to connect as closely to Prometheus or Alien Covenant as it does the original Alien, or Aliens, but I guess it just depends what Covenant brings to the table. 

Patient Leech

FacehuggerMember158 XPSep-15-2016 12:04 PM


That's kind of what I'm thinking. I doubt it'll go out of it's way. It will probably try to deliver on more of an Alien level and not so much a Prometheus mythology level. But I'll be surprised if we don't notice at least some footprints of the greater mythology.


FacehuggerMember316 XPSep-15-2016 4:37 PM

Based on Blomkamp's concept art, it looks as though there will be some new ideas that may need to at least dovetail with where Ridley's going. What has me curious is the queen, will Ridley ignore this detail? My bet is yes.

I have to lighten up on Blomkamp, I don't fully reject his involvement, it's more the ugliness and finger pointing regarding his film that's a turn off, my answer has been to indulge in it as well, from the other direction. I wish he'd say something publicly to support Ridley's contributions. Something like that would win me over, his artwork is quite well done and has some fascinating ideas. 


DeaconMember10416 XPSep-16-2016 6:23 AM

We have to remember Blomkamps Alien 5 has changed somewhat since his first ideas.... he had a idea and concept work and pitched it to Fox... they got Ridley involved and they liked Blomkamps ideas... but there was somethings that CONFLICTED with Ridleys plans for Prometheus ==> Alien

But how if Alien 5 is after Aliens....   Alien 5 will ignore Alien 3 and Alien R and so we have...

 ????<=== Prometheus ===> Alien Covenant ===> Alien Covenant Sequels ===> Alien

Then we have Alien ==> Aliens ==> Alien 5

And so it has to be areas that Blomkamp was touching upon as far as One or more of these.

*What becomes of Weyland-Yutani post Aliens.

*Detailed Biology of the Xenomorph (explore in more depth)

*Xenomorph Agenda/Culture and Purpose is there more to it than a killing machine?

*Xenomorph Origins/Evoltion

*Engineer Technology and where can it be obtained Post Alien

*Engineer Connection to the Xenomorph and its Purpose?

*Engineer Culture or what does the company know about them post Alien.

*What availability is there for the Xenomorph Eggs, Engineer Ships and Technology and Biological Process that created the Xenomorphs post Aliens....

As we see after Aliens we have to ask why did the company in Alien 3 pursue Ripley for her Queen Chest Buster and then in Alien R clone her DNA to obtain the Xenomorph...  WAS THERE NO OTHER WAY? 

i.e post Hadleys Hope Destruction?

There has to be something Blomkamp was covering that had to contradict what ever explanation or how those things are to be covered by Ridleys vision for the Franchise.


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPSep-16-2016 6:29 AM


Added something to mix.... it in part answered the Mystery of the Space Jockey and the Eggs...  

Its hinted that the Space Jockey was a Ancient Race of Genetic Engineers who Mankind had thought was Gods, and who had played a role in our creation as well as maybe life on other Worlds.

These Engineer has some conflict, they had created a Evil Biology on a Moon near LV-426.... these experiments on the outpost on LV-223 are connected to LV-426 in someway.

ALIEN and ALIENS etc... we was never shown nothing about LV-223 yet it was close to LV-426 it was a place that had many more Engineer Ships than the ONE crash landed on LV-426... 

LV-223 had Temples that contained Biology related to the Xenomorph and would surely be a bigger Treasure than the Derelict.

And so yes Prometheus had opened up a new Narative and it is now part of Alien/Aliens HISTORY and Canon...

And so its no doubt that Ridley and Fox would want to try and tie in some of this into what ever plans Blomkamp had for his Alien 5 and so collaborating would be a key part..

It does not however mean the Two movies would connect deeply... but somethings would have to be tied into a NEW CANON where Prometheus, Alien Covenant, its sequels and Alien, Aliens and Alien 5 all tie in together.

as for the <=== Prometheus... i feel the next 2-3 movies will in some part cover a History prior to the event of finding LV-233



R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPSep-16-2016 6:44 AM

As far as Alien 5......

its not called Alien 5.... they do have a name... Ridley Scott knows what it was and its a name that gives maybe to much away.

They are not going to reveal it yet.... but we can assume its something that in the name itself would give away too much.. and so the idea Blomkamp had would maybe have to change as far as the name?

Alien Covenant was called Prometheus 2.... it was just working title because it was a sequel..... it was unlikely Prometheus 2 would ever had been called Prometheus 2.....   we had rumors it may carry Paradise Name.... and so it could have been Prometheus: Paradise.... or maybe even Paradise as thats what Lindeloffs Prometheus draft was called.   Another name branded was Paradise Lost... before Ridley official said the name was Alien: Paradise Lost which became Alien:Covenant.

But the source i had, prior to any name for the sequel.. they said that Prometheus Prefix would likely be dropped for Paradise Lost but they also considering Pandemonium as thats what they would find Paradise really is.

And so back to the Topic of the Name of Alien 5

It would be interesting to see what it is.... i think it would definitely have a Alien prefix... it would be interesting if we ever find out what Blomkamp was going to call it... or if the eventual name is different to what was planned.

I think if the name gave a lot away then it had to be something that contained the plot..

Be like if Alien Covenants sequel was called.... Alien: Omega or Alien:Genesis  then you would expect such a movie to fully show us the Origin of the Xenomorph.

Or if Alien 5 was Alien:Armageddon or Alien: Apocalypse  then you would surely expect the movie to feature the biggest threat to Mankind by the Xenomorph... it would mean a mass outbreak or potential... could mean a Ship with Eggs heading right for Earth or a Outpost near by that would lead to the destruction of Mankind by the Xenomorph.

And so a lot can be made out with a Name... not if its done right that could have multiple meanings like Alien Covenant and like Prometheus...... but a Alien: Omega or Alien: Apocalypse   would be hitting the nail to much on the head.

And Blomkamp in a way said that about his Name for the movie, it was very Bold, and on the head and if never worked could left him dead in the water... was similar words to what he actually used.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPSep-16-2016 6:56 AM

Alien 5 concept work did show us a Ripley and Hicks who did not look as old as they are now... it appeared the event of Alien 5 took place years after Aliens but not many many years.... so its maybe something we can assume was to do with the company going back to LV-426 and recover the Derelict.

But they also have Engineer Technology and a similar Space Jockey type suit... so who knows..

The concept work did not however seem to indicate Weyland-Yutani we saw a Queen loose in a Building that had a very Oriental look to them including Oriental Trees... and then Ripley and Hicks Confronted by Oriental looking people... badge that was like the South Korean Flag.

Newt was ommissed from these early concepts..

Then it went quiet...... on back burner for Alien Covenant but then we had news on Alien 5 and now it was set 20 years latter after Aliens and would have Newt in it and the movie would be a passing of the Torch from Ripley to Newt.

So maybe this shows some changes had been made...

Alien 5 Originally would have had to touch upon how the Company (well another Human Company/Group) had obtained a Engineer Bio-Weapons Ship.... this would have to had been.

*The Derelict

*A Ship from LV-223

*Another Engineer Ship found some place else

*Maybe but doubtful... David and Shaws Hijacked Juggernaught

And i think what ever way Blomkamp had intended to get their hands on a Derelict/Juggernaught and what year they did so, i think what route Blomkamp had chosen would first have to be passed by what plans Ridley has as far as what the company knows and what state after Alien... that these are in

*LV-426 Derelict Post Aliens

*LV-223 post Alien Covenant and by time of Alien

*Paradise post Alien Covenant and by the time of Alien

*Or what else and where else are there any remains of Engineers Technology and Bio-Weapons as of the time of Aliens.


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Patient Leech

FacehuggerMember158 XPSep-16-2016 7:09 AM


I agree, I don't expect Ridley to do much with a Queen alien. Mostly because it's been done before. He likes to use new material. But what ugliness and finger pointing are you talking about with Blomkamp?


DeaconMember10416 XPSep-16-2016 8:34 AM

I dont think Ridley would go the route of a Queen... or similar i dont think he would give everything away in Alien Covenant... but enough...  I think eventually he would explain and give clues to how a Queen could have happened...

Alien had the Egg Morph Scene.... this is one thing it seemed Blomkamps Alien 5 was also going to show.... we dont know IF THIS is one of the elements that was bugging Prometheus 2... we dont know if Ridley would explore the Egg Morph in the next few movies... if he was then he would want only the way he intends its purpose to be used as Canon.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


NeomorphMember1686 XPSep-18-2016 2:54 AM

I am thinking about the egg-morphing. We have never seen it in an alien movie but I wonder if there is something similar that happens in nature or if it is pure fiction meaning that it is not rooted in reality what so ever.



FacehuggerMember316 XPSep-19-2016 3:24 PM

Patient Leech-

For a while there was a lot of 'Ridley Scott is making a Prometheus sequel no one wants' and 'Ridley won't let Neill make Alien 5' on the web, with even Sigourney having the poor taste to publicly claim she didn't know what Covenant was called- 'Prometheus 2, or whatever it's called now'. Seriously, what a twit.

This has influenced my opinion of Blomkamp's movie, making it easy to forget that some of his ideas look pretty interesting. I just don't buy into the idea that all you need is Ripley, Hicks or Newt and you've got a worthy story. I don't need them at all. 

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Patient Leech

FacehuggerMember158 XPSep-20-2016 5:38 AM


Oh, okay, I gotcha. Yeah, I remember some of that. I didn't think much of it, though, because even I was a little annoyed with the silly name changes. But yeah, I agree with you. I don't think having Ripley and the gang is going to mean automatic greatness. I think that's a big studio thing. They insisted on having Ripley written into A:R. Ripley is played-out... big time. And there's no need to push Alien3 & A:R aside. It's not right.


FacehuggerMember409 XPSep-20-2016 5:52 AM

mmm that would be very interesting indeed.....

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DeaconMember10416 XPSep-20-2016 7:09 AM

Indeed i also felt that the franchise did not need Ripley... but seems Blomkamp felt that Alien 3 and Alien R was not the way a Aliens Sequel should have been done, and many fans where upset at how Hicks and Newt got killed and Miss Weaver was not happy with how Alien 3 and Alien R ended, she felt those movies was not the best way for Ripley to bow out... and now shes happy Ripley is getting that Happy Ending.. which is Blomkamps Alien 5

I think its a opportunity to expand from Alien 5, to a 6 and 7 and passing the Torch to Newt... but after 3 more Alien Prequels and a Aliens sequel is there really going to be any need to bring the Xeno in over and over?

Who ever is cast as Newt and if they pull it off could potentially be set up for at least 1-2 movies after.... but if the Newt Character does not get over in Alien 5 i worry that Fox will bring back Ripley again to act as a Foundation for the movie and i also think Miss Weaver would want to be a part of the Alien Franchise movies regardless of her Age... she would want to be as in regards to a Alien 5, Alien 6 etc as Schwarzenegger is to Terminator... and you can bet your bottom dollar if there is a NEW TERMINATOR MOVIE that Schwarzenegger will be involved..

And i think the same will go for Alien 5, Alien 6 etc

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPSep-20-2016 7:14 AM

I do think that Prometheus and Alien Covenant as far as back ground and plans for the Xenomorph and its Agenda and Origins will now play a part in Alien 5.

I think these prequels have added something new to the Franchise and these elements will be incorporated or at least dealt with so that Alien 5 does not contradict anything planned for the Prometheus sequels...

I think the Alien Franchise could only be taken so far.... and any Alien movie would have to deal with the Origins and the Space Jockey.... which is what Prometheus was for.... because any other Alien movie would have to bring something a bit different... or at VERY LEAST offer another way they come across the Xenomorph that did not have nothing to do with Ripley..... 

Alien R did leave us with Ripley 8 however and thats something they could have expanded on....  maybe they could have in a interesting way that did not have to bring back the Xenomorph as in the ones we had seen in the Franchise.

Alien 5 has tried to bring a few different ideas....

The Plot for Prometheus has a massive scope... the way they have shown the Space Jockey and Xeno connections... has opened up a MASSIVE SCOPE for future movies that dont have to deal with the Traditional Xenomorph.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


NeomorphMember1686 XPSep-21-2016 8:26 AM




I honestly don't care about Alien 5, 6, what ever. For me it stopped with 3 even though I watch Alien Resurrection a bit now and then (I consider A4 as a parenthesis of the Alien movies). They can do what ever marketing for A5, but I will not be interested. Maybe this sounds harsh but this is my opinion about it.


Alien to me means alien (alien = unknown) species, that doesn't necessarily mean the Xeno and it doesn't mean that we need many more Alien movies. Sure they can do movies connected to the alien Xeno movies (as I like to call it) so to speak but that doesn't mean that we need the Xeno.


Hopefully Lindeloff won't be involved because I would have preferred Spaight's script as it was before it got changed into what it finally became. I don't say that the final result of Prometheus is only Lindelof's fault because there are many parts that are responsible for the final result so to blame one person isn't right.


Paradise as Pandemonium seems interesting, they could do a lot with that idea.


As far as the origin of the Xeno I hope that they will keep some of it ambiguous. The mystery is what keeps the Xeno interesting.


When you write about a mass outbreak I think about Ebola or something. I think that they have written about the Xeno as a metaphor for disease or something similar.


If they include Xeno species (that is that reminds of of them like ancestors) it could be interesting but they don't need much of Xenos in it. They can show them in a small amount of the time to show us that the Engineers crafted species that are connected to them, (all of them don't need to be that) but I would rather see new monsters but some of them could be connected to the Xeno (like the Squid was). Hopefully they will have a clearer connection to the Xeno without it being a Xeno movie so to speak. New monsters could be interesting and also to see a bit of the Engineers but the human interaction should be the main focus and hence the importance of good/relatable characters.


The Engineers must be made to be scary otherwise I don't care how much they are in it. They could be like some mad people that want to have biological warfare to establish a new order that will benefit them (hence the Xeno and so on).


Hicks and Newt are not very interesting so I don't really care about them. They were never the main characters so their deaths never annoyed me but I can understand that some people reacted that way. 3 was good, Resurrection wasn't. When you make a main character into a clone then it seems to me that you are running out of ideas, it just feels forced and on repeat.


Alien movies should never be about happy endings, leave that to stories about elves, princess's, and so on. I am boycotting Alien 5 because it seems to me that it will turn the franchise into more of a joke and might make Alien Resurrection seem good in comparison to 5.


Hopefully A5 will not have very much in common with AC otherwise what's the point in watching AC?


The Space jockey: Yeah but there is a limit about how much you can tell about that. Hopefully they won't make the Space jockey into the Xeno (SJ movie 5,6, what ever) because otherwise the SJ will turn into a joke also. Unfortunately I don't think that Prometheus made the link between the SJ and the Engineers very clear, compared to how it could have been. Maybe the Alien Engineers script (Spaight's script) had too much of the Xenos and too little as far as the Engineers were concerned but Prometheus was too vague about the connection between the  Xenos and the Engineers. You write about the SJ's, Xenos and Ripley. I don't think that they need to have links to Ripley, not even having her mom or what ever.


I like the idea of having different themes in a movie but I think that Prometheus had too many. Some ideas were Weyland and immortality, AI, birth and life (Shaw, Deacon, for example) where we are from, for example. When you have too many themes there is a risk that you just touch upon them very quickly so there is no real explanation. Maybe they should just have one or two themes in AC so they can focus much on them so it will be well done.


For the next movie (AC) I hope that they will write a bit about the Engineer/space jockey without giving us too many answers about the SJ so we can use our imagination. More about the monsters (possibly as biological warfare and by monsters I don't only mean Xenos), how they are connected to humans (probably made for human extinction the way the Engineers look at it) and then you add the Engineers into that. The Engineers should be featured but the focus should be on humans and the monsters as biological warfare. We need to have well written characters. Maybe they could also have the message like beware of what you wish for. We still have had that message in the previous Alien movies and Prometheus but I still think that it has some relevance.


Sorry for the long post I felt that there was a lot to reply to. Hopefully this post makes sense, I don't want it to be confusing.


DeaconMember10416 XPSep-22-2016 7:06 AM

You have touched upon a few subjects and first i will take your last..... indeed i think they are going for something similar to what your last Paragraph was touching upon, it seems they are going for the Monsters, and Humans and why and only leave a few clues to the Engineers.

Your also correct as far as a movie trying to have to many themes, if the Source is true then it appears that Prometheus 2 was trying to cover too many things and it may have detoured from some of the important stuff.

Which Sadly Fox seems to think is the Xenomorph and Mankind and the next movie could be covering the Xenomorph a bit and then expand upon it in the sequels.

But a concern is that Alien Covenant will have Ripley connection and so it seems Fox may feel the Franchise is to be about Ripley and the Xenomorph....

Sorry but...

Ripley is just ONE HUMAN

The Xenomorph is maybe One Creation of Variant or a result of Experiments these Engineers had been involved in, there is more to the Engineers than just the Xenomorph.

The other aspect of the Franchise is the company the back ground between the company and what else they have dabbled with in which Androids play a big role and their is a lot of dispute and competition between Weyland and Yutani regarding Synthetics and what they did with David 8 was introduce a very interesting Character.   There is more to Weyland-Yutani than them wanting the Xenomorph as a Bio-Weapon.

Then we have the Marines... but its how do you expand on this without giving us a Marines vs Aliens as we seen this in Aliens and the constant Games.

So yes with the Back Ground that Prometheus has added it adds a lot of scope to the Franchise as a whole...  but it concerns me that FOX seem to still think the Franchise is all to do with the Xenomorph and Ripley....

As far as the Mystery then yes the more we see the Xenomorph the more it would be diluted and not as interesting or frightening anymore.  A Alien 5 and 6 would add two more Xeno movies (wont include Prometheus as it was not a Xeno Flick) so we would then have 5-6 Xeno movies, add to that the TWO AVP Flicks and then if Alien Covenant has 2 sequels that would show the Xeno more and more than thats potentially 10-11 Movies with Xenomorphs and at that point it would become STALE!

likewise with the Space Jockey again maybe it should have been kept a mystery and the origins of the Xenomorph.. but Fox are out to make Money and exploring those things can give them a means to make some $$$$$$

We also have to consider that Ridley Scott had no real input on how the Xenomorph evolved in the Franchise... Cameron had a input and we got Aliens... and then other movies after.

The one thing that has never been answered is WHO are the Space Jockeys and HOW are they connected to the Xenomorph and HOW/WHEN/WHY was the Xenomorph created.

Maybe these are best left unanswered..... but Fox will eventually answer these things, be it 5 years, 10 years or 20 in a complete Re-boot..... 

Ridley Scott lost control of maybe his vision for the Xenomorph... but he now has a chance to rubber stamp his mark on the Xenomorph Origins and Purpose and who the Space Jockeys are and their Agenda.

Ridley would rather work on those answers now... as Fox will answer them eventually and if this is when Ridley is to old or has passed on... then Fox could answer these things in a way that would make Ridley Scott and HR Giger Turn in their Graves.


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


OvomorphMember21 XPOct-07-2016 2:18 AM

Hi.  I am wondering whether the writers of these new movies (Prometheus and Covenant) have been inspired by a loose plot strand of Alien Resurrection who told of a breakaway faction of androids who began to manufacture themselves and started to rebel.  Perhaps David was this movement's progenitor.  Perhaps David (rumoured to be somehow responsible for the Alien's creation) brings about the some kind of war against mankind. Perhaps by the time of Resurrection's events he had been unsuccessful in his war, but had been successful in creating a new culture of independent androids.


DeaconMember10416 XPOct-08-2016 4:45 PM

welcome aboard...

And yes its possible, we have to look at the back ground for the Androids in the Franchise, Ash was a bit Twitchy as Bishop claimed, prior to Ash we have seen David models show some signs of dislike for Humans and in the back ground Weyland Website they had problems with previous David models prior to David 8

And while it may be a old cliche, yes indeed it could follow the plot like so many other Robot/Android/Machine movies which include Terminator, I-Robot and The Matrix.

The movie has ties to Prometheus Mythos and Paradise Lost Poem based on the Biblical tale of the Rebellion of Angels and Fall of Mankind.

Each of these has a theme where Creation turns against Creator and so yes its possible and likely we would see something in the next movies.

At very least as far as David 8


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


OvomorphMember21 XPOct-11-2016 1:50 PM

Hi.  I recall from the DVD extras from AVP 1 that Paul WS Anderson said that he would like to make Alien 5 with Sigourney Weaver (this of course being long before the advent of Prometheus), and that upon the success of AVP 1 Anderson had been commissioned to write the script for an Alien 5.  So presumably there is an unmade script for a post-resurrection movie sitting on a shelf somewhere.

At present, the Blomkamp post-Aliens project is being referred to (perhaps confusingly) as Alien 5, when perhaps it could be referred to as Aliens 2?  There are always possibilities, a movie set just after Alien featuring a story adapted from The Alien Isolation game is also an enticing prospect.

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