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What if the LV-426 Xenomorphs from Aliens are a different strain of Alien and the Queen is a mutation?

What if the LV-426 Xenomorphs from Aliens are a different strain of Alien and the Queen is a mutation?

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Chris

EngineerAdmin21442 XPJun-09-2016 5:18 PM

I've been thinking about how and why James Cameron's altered design Xenomorphs and Queen introduction could work with the new found understanding of the Xeno's  biology thanks to Prometheus and soon to be, Alien: Covenant. My theory is such:

The Alien Queen is a genetic mutation adopted by having chest bursted from a female human host. The Xeno's original purpose and method for reproduction was egg-morphing and transforming hosts into Xeno-like creatures. Albeit a more "primitive" and time-consuming form of reproduction. The Queen is a strand of "upgraded DNA", a next level in the evolution of the Xenomorph biology when introduced to a wider range of hosts.

We never see the Queen's birth in Aliens and the first host to have been impregnated was Newt's father. A male, he would've given birth to an Alien similar to that of Kane's son. This leads me to believe that at some point a female is exposed to a Facehugger and gives birth to the first Queen. Whether by accident or intent, as we know the local scientists at Hadley's Hope were running tests on captured Aliens. 

The Alien Queen, having reached full maturity begins to develop her own egg sack and produce eggs with genetically mutated Facehuggers. These Facehuggers produce the rigged domes Xenomorphs we witness in the film, but they lack the same level of intelligence of the more "pure breed" Xeno's (Kane's Son). Think quantity over quality, so to speak.

Upon birthing enough rigged Warriors, they would've likely terminated any Xeno's which were not born of the Queen - to keep the lineage pure and reduce competition for hosts. Instead of the rigged domes being merely older, weathered versions of the Kane's Son Xenomorph, I feel like they're completely different strains.

We've seen already how the Xenomorph reproductive system can be altered. Look at Alien: Resurrection, despite its many flaws. 

I feel as though this theory of alternate strains by design or by accident could account for the differences noticed between the Alien and Aliens Xeno's. It would also help explain the vast reaches of the Xenomorph DNA and biology which will undoubtedly be touched upon in Alien: Covenant and it's sequels.

What do you think? Could this make sense or is it too much of a stretch? Let me know in the replies below.

46 Responses to What if the LV-426 Xenomorphs from Aliens are a different strain of Alien and the Queen is a mutation?

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJun-30-2016 5:59 PM

As per the Directors Cut, the Alien was making two eggs.

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPJun-30-2016 6:25 PM

Indeed this was the idea....  based of Star Beast that the Organism was trying to re-start its Life Cycle and the end is also the beginning and thus Egg Morph.

I agree this was the idea.... the plan.

But it was never explained on Screen this way and so i was going by visually what the Scene looked like Here

It looked at this point that its as if he was held hostage with his hands and feet bound... not by rope but by a Substance the Alien had in cased him in.

This image of how Dallas looked that most likely formed the basis for the Cameron Hives with Hosts being cocooned ready for the Eggs to be placed near by and Face Huger unleashed.

The Dallas Kill Me was carried over to the Hadleys Hope Colonist who we saw make the same plea before she was chest busted.

So my comment was not based on FACT as far as the intention of the Scene... but based on how that scene looked and then influenced the Aliens Chest Buster and Host Scenes.

And so the movie Alien DC did not suggest he was a Egg (Dallas) we saw Brett was... and we could assume Dallas was going to be too (which was intended) but then came along Aliens and that made you then think back and wander was we seeing a Egg, and a Host?

Which in context of the Franchise does kind of make sense, and so i was SPECULATING a what if the Egg Morph Scene was as such... and Brett was to be a Queen Egg, and Dallas the Host for the Queen... it makes sense then and connected to the Bee Hive just as  previous poster was trying to connect.

So yes i know the plan was Two Eggs.... but then why not 4 Eggs?

And things can be planned but changed, Prometheus had things planned and shown that where then changed some during shooting... others at a latter date to try and tidy up some of the movie i.e the Weyland File on the Black Goo.

Can we say this is what was happening?  No we cant, we cant be sure if the Egg Morph leads to a Queen... it was intended to lead to more Eggs and Xenos despite Eggs larger size.

But this is just a topic to make some speculative theories rather than only sticking to FACT.

But yes SM you are correct as far as the Original Intention, but then a even more Original Intention was the Egg Silo being not part of the Derelict prior to shooting..

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJun-30-2016 6:40 PM

Putting aside the agreed intent - coccooned hosts can be rescued prior to implantation.  Dallas was barely coherent and begged for death. If he was just to be a host, there's no reason Ripley couldn't have rescued him. The Brett egg hadn't finished forming, so Dallas hadn't been facehugged.  Ergo he was also morphing into an egg like Brett. It was evident in the intent and the execution.

 

Taking later films into account, Brett forming an egg, a hugger impregnating Dallas and a Queen coming from him makes more sense. But obviously that's not the case.

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPJun-30-2016 6:58 PM

Yes that was my point as you said "Taking later films into account, Brett forming an egg, a hugger impregnating Dallas and a Queen coming from him makes more sense"

I understand your point that if Dallas was simply coccooned then why would he beg to be killed, if he thought he was just stuck in this substance.. and not pleaded to be rescued.

He would have seen what was happening to Brett or had happened, and he would maybe think or feel this was going to happen to him.. which was the intended case.

But maybe its not beyond the realms of reason that if he was merely coccooned but then saw a Brett being Egg Morphed that Dallas thought the same fate would have been for him.

So indeed a valid point raised....

I think its a Question of Cannon... what movie Alien or Alien DC is Canon to Aliens the most? 

The only sure way is the future, if Alien Covenant or Alien 5 expand upon the Egg Morph idea it could then explore its purpose... be they go the route of a Queen or just another Standard Egg... and its case of will we ever find out how a Queen comes to be?

Depending on how and if they answer those things, would then bring that Alien DC scene into a new light or further cement the original intention.

Alien 5 seems interesting as one image done by Blomkamp does look like the Brett Egg Morph Prop prior to sticking it inside of the Large Egg.

So i think Alien 5 was going to tackle the subject and shed some light on it.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJun-30-2016 7:28 PM

Alien DC and Aliens don't sit well together.  Two scenes in Aliens defy Ripley's experience of finding Dallas on the Nostromo.

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPJul-01-2016 7:10 PM

Indeed it does...

which is why i was speculating about possible use of it in future movies.

The Door is open for Alien Covenant and its sequels or Alien 5 to go back to the Egg Morph idea and allow Fox to explore it and finally put the rubber stamp on it for how they wish it to be.

Like Prometheus laid the Space Jockey Skeleton or Alien looking Being to bed, and gave us the Space Suit idea nailed on... But this seemed to always be the case as HR Giger had in his concepts shown what looks like Engineers and Early Space Jockey Suits in his Face Huger and Mural Concept works.

So if they cover Alien Egg Morph ideas in the next movie or other Alien prequel or Alien 5, then this is where they can then show us all that a Egg Morph leads to just..

1) Another Alien Egg and Similar Offsrping

2) A Hybrid Alien from the Egg

3) The Queen

4) Or even show us something different, i.e throw out the Egg but have the Xeno able to mutate a Victim into something else.

Right now the idea was always 1) but a future movie could give us the way they want to tackle the Egg Morph and Cement it down.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Facehuggers

NeomorphMember1984 XPJul-04-2016 3:45 PM

For a visual demonstration

Facehuggers

NeomorphMember1984 XPJul-06-2016 4:50 PM

This is a GREAT theory! To stretch it farther, I think that castes beyond the Queen (King, Empress, etc.) may have chestbursted from pregnant hosts, absorbing the embryonic baby!

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJul-07-2016 5:38 PM

What purpose would a King or Empress serve?

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPJul-08-2016 9:31 AM

Indeed.... i prefer them to stick with a Queen..

And to have them being a Organism that can on its own find a way to create a Queen and then have the Queen be able to then lay Eggs...  and not need any Males or anything but to be able to Procreate Asexually..

Well not even that... more like a Virus etc.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Fire_Stream21

FacehuggerMember143 XPFeb-15-2017 11:46 AM

Chris, I think that your right, although the fachugger can disperse a queen embryo if the host is female or male or anything in that matter in order for the survival of the species. As we know from Hadley's hope the scientists there gathered multiple eggs releasing fachuggers, so then at least one of them dispersed a queen embryo.

Or either simply any xenomorph (adult) can morph into a queen... so that the species is sure to survive.

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-15-2017 4:22 PM

I thought this was a new Topic and i was going to mention how the other day i posted in a thread how the Queen maybe could be a Mutation, a unexpected Evolution.

But then remembered this is a old topic and its nice to look back and so Chris yes its possible.

We have covered how a Egg Morph can make a Queen, as i feel it makes sense if we try and fit WHY the Xeno in Alien only used Two hosts.

But ultimately we dont know how the Eggs got on the Derelict, we always had 2 ways explored on film.

1) A Queen may have laid them, or the Space Jockey took them from another Place where Queens lay them.

2) A Egg Morph created them or similar, and a Queen came from one of these due to some cir***stance of events, be it host type or maybe when the Alien's set up a hive and pheromones or royal jelly can then create a Queen.

The theory on Egg Morph = Queen Egg could play a role too.

But dont forget we had a alternative explanation by HR Giger all those years ago

3) The Ships (well Egg Silo but maybe also Ships) produce something that evolves into the Eggs, his idea was the Silo had pregnant bellies that produce Eggs and his Mural did seem show the ship which had Xeno DNA created the Eggs.

Then 33 years latter Prometheus gave us the Black Goo and so

4) The Black Goo could via some experiments of event create the Eggs or Organism that leads to the Eggs.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10325 XPFeb-15-2017 4:34 PM

But now when i look at maybe what if the Queen was a Mutation a Genetic Freak, how could this happen?  Surely they would know its possible?

The only clear way to avoid some contradictions could be...

5) The Derelicts Cargo was a Weapon, Engineered for the Purpose of killing off wayward creation of some Ancient Race, these created the Engineers and they rebelled, maybe they tried some methods to destroy them on Paradise that took away the Females of there species?

Some escaped.... (how these fit with Mankind or Purpose of Mankind is for another debate).

So some of these Engineers escaped but lost the Females, they had to find other means to procreate maybe? who knows its for another debate.

So the beings who created the Engineers or wanted to destroy them and Engineered a Weapon, this weapon was the Xeno Eggs on the Derelict and they tried to destroy the remaining Engineers. Or the rebel cast...

This Weapon was Engineered to kill the Engineers but the Space Jockey got infected before he could deliver them...

The Engineers then was able to go and investigate and got infected and the result gave them a perverted way to give birth via Xeno Embryo Impregnation and they worshiped the result and Re-Engineered it to get the Black Goo.

BUT THE KEY POINT I AM MAKING?

What if the Derelict Eggs are intended and created to be used on a Race that can no procreate a Race where only Males survive and a Race that are different a little to Mankind.

The Face Hugger is Engineered for the Engineers maybe?

And so those who created them, never foresaw what would happen if one of these Eggs infected a HUMAN-FEMALE

This then leads to a Queen? or something to do with those Eggs and Hadleys Hope leads to a Queen that was never the intended outcome?

Maybe this is why then the Xenos born from those Eggs are different?

I think this is a good explanation, but it would have to mean indeed the Alien 3 Egg came from the Derelict.

Also i am not sure of the Engineer connection to the Space Jockey as far as any War etc....  it could still be that the Space Jockey was on the same mission as the LV-223 ones a outbreak happened, infections and the Space Jockey tried to get into Cryo-sleep like some Engineers in Prometheus... the last Engineer survived.. his 3 fellow crew did not..

The Space Jockey was not as lucky as the Last Engineer, he overslept too but he woke up 200 years after (the Last Engineer 2000 or so after) and then the Space Jockey set off but he got chest busted as he was on his way.

*This is what Spaights draft intended... the SJ was infected but Cryo-sleep helped to halt the infection but not stop it

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

petrified

OvomorphMember14 XPFeb-15-2017 7:45 PM

i think of the directors cut scene less of "egg-morphing" cause personally i find that biologicaly having to morph one organism of a completely alien dna into another organism highly improbable and view the scene as a pantry of sorts for the alien creature, what is viewed as dallas morphing could be him being slowly digested into digestible food for the xenomorph while it needed the extra nutrition to complete a morph into a higher caste such as a praetorian or possible queen, the view of all the aliens actions as being "alien" actually follow one of the basic instincts of terrestial organisms and thats to reproduce and spread your genes, and on another note i find egg morphing very inefficient due to the time frame that it can take days for a single organism to be morphed into a egg then a organism that can morph into a form that can exponentially lay more eggs and with a higher hive intelligence, and to reading earlier questions about the ripley 7 clone if i remember correctly i believe that the xeno specimen died from another cloning failure after being removed from the host

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-15-2017 8:10 PM

Egg morphing takes a couple of hours.

Based on available knowledge, Queen gestation takes about 3 days, then another three days until she starts laying.

Kingviper

OvomorphMember13 XPMay-06-2017 11:00 PM

The Xenomorph until Alien 3 was the exact same strain: Xenomorph XX121, Alien Resurrection is a different story. There are differences because of how long each have been alive as well as multiple castes. In Alien, the Xeno was a Drone it does not require a Queen to live, however the Warriors in Aliens required the Queen since they can't even think for themselves aka their mindless, the one in Alien 3 is still a Drone but birthed from an Ox/dog. By the way the scientific name for the Xenomorph is Linguafoeda Acheronsis.

 

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