Will Covenant Assimilate With Paradise?3,593 Views10 RepliesAdd A Reply
Sooo let me just say first & foremost how wunderful this Site is as a whole. Everyone here takes what they adhere to with as much seriousness it takes to overcome the adversities of true life. I have incredible respect & admiration for a number of the consistent posters.
After reviewing the prodding of some of the daresay most brilliant & unique minds that are the Flora of this realm; there has been a Realization in this mind.
The Deacon Mural is the most Perplexing in your face yet what could it mean Lore since the (personally most fave) Space Jockey. Why in the hell did the previous inhabitants (however long) of LV-223 raise a construct of a future event & how was this premonition brought on?
One of the Three Plot Points I have believed in since day one is that after the Covenant is (apparently) blown to ****; the aftermath of this destruction event activates Paradise to seamlessly Seed the Covenant into a Higher-Tier SlipSpaceShip. However these connecting events come together & what ends up truly happening is something I've been mulling over for quite the while.
Just curious if anyone finds this plausible or what you might like to personally add I'm just overjoyed to be here ^_^
Not sure what you mean?
Did you mean Evolve the Ship?
As for the Premonition/Prophecy of a future event, i saw the Mural as something different and a past event and not of what would come, but it does hint at what could come.
To me the Goo was some tool to create life, that then as a result of it created something else... or something else was unleashed on them as punishment
And either way it gave us something related to the Xeno that the Engineers then tried to re-engineer and try different variations until they achieved the Deacon in the Mural
They then Sacrificed this Deacon via same way as the Sacrificial Engineer Scene because they felt its DNA was Perfect and so they Sacrificed it to then allow them to seed its more Perfect DNA onto Worlds rather than standard Engineer DNA.
This Mural was to show that they had experimented on a event, in the pursuit of the Deacon in the center and then made homage to its Sacrifice as being the BEST DNA to use to now Seed Worlds.
That was my take on the Mural which i have covered in greater depth a number of times before.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I like your take on (as well as many other elements of the ALIEN-verse) the Deacon Mural Big Dave. That's some thought provoking info & I see that all be incredibly feasible in accordance to what the Engineers are trying to Perpetually accomplish.
Yes I mean to say that part of the left behind aftermath prior to Covenant's arrival on Paradise melds together with the Covenant to form something similar to the more organic Juggernaut or more BioMechanical Derelict.
Aka the Covenant Assimilates with the properties left in the makeup of a previously HellFire world to form something similar yet different to what the Crew & fellow viewers are used to.
David8 is going to want to procure a way to get off Paradise to further his agenda even more c;
In Prometheus, at the start, we see an "engineer," apparently deposited by a flat, disk like ship. This engineer's skin is smooth and human like. When he drinks the black liquid, it appears to unravel his body, right down to the genetic level, perhaps for the purposes of seeding the engineer's dna into the stream of evolution on the planet.
Later in the movie, we see an engineer in a cryo chamber aboard the u shaped ship similar to the one in Alien. Note that this ship is different from the one at the start of the film. Note also that this engineer's body is ribbed and mildly bio-mechanical. On board this ship, we have a black liquid that, when ingested, does NOT appear to unravel a person down to the genetic level, but instead seems to mutate that person, perhaps ADDING to the existing DNA.
I would argue that there are two "sects" of Engineers: One seeding life on planets with its own DNA, in its own image, and one seeding life in another image entirely - that of the Alien like creature seen in the mural. I believe these engineers are even attempting to assimilate this creature's genetics into their own - thus the different body of the Engineer at the end of the film, versus the one at the start. And thus, also, the apparently benevolent intentions of the Engineers that visited earth so many times in the past versus the violent and destructive behavior of the Engineer at the end.
I think that the Engineers at LV-223 had "distilled" the "essence" of the Alien, or perhaps had created it, and considered it to be a higher form of life. Thus, they built the "temple" on LV-223 and commemorated the creature in the mural there. Thus they attempted, even, to engineer themselves in its image, and were, apparently, about to spread it around the galaxy, starting with earth. Perhaps the mural was almost like a religious icon, saying, "this creature is our perfect ideal."
The difference in the ships, the bodies, the way the goo worked, and the behavior of the Engineers at the start and at the end of the film is too much like evidence of two different factions or sects of Engineers, in my opinion.
@ifox - Totally agree that the difference in ship design points to the other craft belonging to a separate faction or different class of Engineers. My hypothesis about there being two different factions of Engineers, and two main types of Goo, is along the same lines.
IMO the Green Goo that we briefly see David examine at one point during Prometheus is a separate type of Goo. The Green stuff contains the Alien DNA and can be combined with the Black stuff, to be broken down by the Black Goo within the Urns. The other types would be more connected to this other group of Engineers.
I think we'll learn about these other types of Goo in Covenant. There may also be a translucent type, which looks like it comes from a jellyfish. The different types of Goo would be able to be mixed in different ratios, producing various effects. The creators will probably kind of want to limit the number of different types of goo, though. We might spend much of Covenant dealing with the Green Goo (instead of the black or translucent type). But yeah, I think there's at least one other type of Goo (and Engineer) that we've already been exposed to...
I would suggest maybe the Engineers or at very least those on LV-223 are a Race who pursue Perfection, they are constantly looking to experiment and evolve lifeforms maybe the in pursuit of perfection and maybe they experiment on other lifeforms first.
Maybe they Evolved Technologically over time like how we have gone from Horse Drawn Cart/Carriages to Motor Vehicles.
Or maybe they are a Race who again are always looking to Evolve and they could borrow or steal Technology and Genetics and incorporate it into their own current Technology/Genetic Evolution... much like how the BORG operated in Star Trek.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
The way i saw the Goo matches with Spaights version where he had Nano Scarabs instead of Goo.
Basically the Sacrificial Goo breaks down a Consumers DNA and Genetic Material and then produces a Evolutionary Accelerant that contains and carries the victims DNA and passes its best traits onto what ever Organism this new Accelerant Mutagen touches.
The Goo in the Urns is basically the same as asking this Question.... what if the Sacificial Engineer performed that action while he was inside a container or like VAT where his broken down Material is collected and stored instead of falling into the Waterfall.... would not pouring this collected material into a Waterfall not have the same effect?
This i feel was the purpose, but then i think Fox had decided to change that idea a bit post shooting...
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Cool discussion. I can't wait to see how it actually plays out.
Nice idea. I guess you mean something like species 8472 in Star Trek Voyager who's ships are grown (albeit in fluidic space) and are at least partially bio organic or perhaps bio-mechanical. The Derelict and the Juggernaut do indeed have a biomechanical look to them and the look is in stark contrast to the Engineer Elder Ship at the start of the movie which looks almost deliberately foreign to the rest of the Engineer tech. This is one of interesting mysteries of the whole story so far. As the mural is not part of the Juggernaut, but within the pyramid I guess is another issue.
Ridley had said that maybe the Engineers Technology is Millions of years old... now i think he was referring to the Juggernaught/Derelict and related Bio-Tech.
He can not be talking about the Tear Drop Ship, as we have to assume its likely these ships where many hundreds of millions of years old or a Billion, or Billions.
But we dont have any 100% Proof of that as far as if the Tear Drop and Croissant ships are of similar Ages, since the started Production or what age gap between the Technology is.
Its something i would like to see explored in a future movie.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
To me the mural says : It ´s " best " not to cross this line unless you know what you are doing . Only a thought on that , but I ´d say what the Mural really shows is a worst case scenario , a final solution ,some sort of reaper or a nemesis .The engineers , so I think , must have had some sort of internal quarrel , let ´s say . A smaller group of engineers tries to change the traditions by aqquiring access to a source of power , let ´s say . Having arrived on LV-223 , they figure out that things could get a bit more complicated , but still they try to get an advantage out of this (?) .
I guess those who really knew about the mural and it ´s meaning could have been some sort of privileged priest class , or whatsoever , whom would unleash this creature in case that one of the other offsprings ( example , we ) chose to revolt against the " natural order of things ". For plausible reason this thing don ´t care about religion or anything ,which means anyone who shakes the appletree gets ****ed .